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OP - June 02, 2017, 08:39 PM

Good evening everybody,
so after going through a depression which lasted almost 2 years i finally came to the conclusion to leave Islam once for all. Youtube channels like ,,The masked arab'' and ,,Acts17Apologetics'' helped me alot, they actually made me laugh and realize how ridiculous this religion is. It is indeed the crackpot of all religions. I won't point out why i left Islam, since its more than obivous. Now im a happy atheist enoying life without fearing gehinnom, i mean gehenna.

But now i face a new problem: Islamaophobia

The fact that there are still millions of muslims in europe WANTING Islam to be dominant and WANTING Sharia law makes me really sick and depressiv. I was one of them, i used to love the refugee crisis since i thought it was a mercy from allah sending so many muslims to us making it easier to islamize europe. But now i actually don't want them, i want them to go back but we know that won't happen. They will all breed like crazy and their offspring will probably radicalize and spread more hateful islamic views. This is what im scared of: Rise of islamic terrorism and extremism in europe.

I want to party, i want to gout, i want to live without having to fear terrorist attacks all the time. I really wish our gouvernments would grow some balls and just deport everyone who is against our democracy.

How do you deal with these fears of muslims? Im becoming racist, too. I used to love somalis for being such strict muslims, now i hate them and i don't want my children growing up with these of people in EUROPE.
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Reply #1 - June 02, 2017, 10:55 PM

It's okay to have a sort of backlash against Islam when you leave. I am sure many of us do. But racism and islamophobia are not okay.
Most Muslims are nice people. You know it, and I know it.
Don't radicalize yourself over to the dark side. Get back to being reasonable. Racism is sick.

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Reply #2 - June 02, 2017, 11:03 PM

Quote from: Lemoncake on June 02, 2017, 08:39 PM
The fact that there are still millions of muslims in europe WANTING Islam to be dominant and WANTING Sharia law makes me really sick and depressiv. I was one of them, i used to love the refugee crisis since i thought it was a mercy from allah sending so many muslims to us making it easier to islamize europe.

I am aware that different Muslim communities have several problems but this was not one that I experienced. I knew some rather crazy Muslim as a child, but they were not on this level (rejoicing a humanitarian crisis and scheming for world domination). Just because your community is a bunch of nutjobs doesn't mean that it's legitimate for you to lump all or most Muslims in with them.
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Reply #3 - June 02, 2017, 11:17 PM

Quote from: Lemoncake on June 02, 2017, 08:39 PM
Good evening everybody,
.............how ridiculous this religion is. .
...............It is indeed the crackpot of all religions.....

But now i face a new problem: Islamaophobia

hello Lemoncake ... cakes and pastries with lemon makes me eat even at midnight .. welcome to the den., well you seems to be doing fine except some phobias..we all have some phobias .. I have phobia about filth..poop..shit ...and shit in faith heads + shit in faith books .. but I have no phobias about Dog Poop...

So what I am saying is., you are no exception having some phobias ., We got to learn to live some phobias ., Evolutionary biology tells me Fear & Phobias are good things ., These good things will instantaneously kick the survival instinct that all biological species are born with
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anyways I understand religion, i understand faith, i understand crackpot faiths and I fairly well understood Islam and its scriptures, its history .

but what I do not understand is the word "Islamophobia".. what is it ? and what do you know about it?

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The fact that there are still millions of muslims in europe WANTING Islam to be dominant and WANTING Sharia law makes me really sick and depressiv.

Huh! what ? why that should make you sick and depressive? it is their problem... It is Islamofaith heads problem.. ., that is not your problem.

Do you get sick looking sick people in the hospitals?

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I was one of them, i used to love the refugee crisis since i thought it was a mercy from allah sending so many muslims to us making it easier to islamize europe.

so what?? you were one of them... that is past .. Past is past .. and you have unnecessary fear of Islamization of europe., not only you many have it., These are stupid faith heads .. we just need to put ONLY ONE THING into their stupid brains .. that will end their rigid faith

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But now i actually don't want them, i want them to go back but we know that won't happen. ~~They will all breed like crazy and their offspring will probably radicalize and spread more hateful islamic views~~. This is what im scared of: Rise of islamic terrorism and extremism in europe.

Now you are talking nonsense., You are scared of silly stuff that has no basis ..

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I want to party, i want to gout, i want to live without having to fear terrorist attacks all the time. I really wish our gouvernments would grow some balls and just deport everyone who is against our democracy.

Well go and party., Oh common more people die on roads with car accidents than those rogues of Islam dying /killing people for stupid reasons

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How do you deal with these fears of muslims? Im becoming racist, too. I used to love somalis for being such strict muslims, now i hate them and i don't want my children growing up with these of people in EUROPE.

Oh common., First clean that up.. get rid of it from your brain., THE RACISM .. humans have only one race ..

What is color of skin or race has to do with stupid Muslim faith heads?? for that matter any religious faith heads?

I tell you this., Muslims, Ex-Muslims.. Zebras CAN NEVER BECOME RACISTS ., So I say your phobias are about Race not about Islam and not about Muslims .. Correct me if I am wrong dear Lemon Cake

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Reply #4 - June 05, 2017, 04:07 AM

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I develop Islamophobia

What is your hourly rate for Islamophobia development? Any discount for your fellow CEMB members?

Sorry, couldn't resist
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Reply #5 - June 05, 2017, 08:53 AM

Quote from: Lemoncake on June 02, 2017, 08:39 PM
I develop Islamaophobia

no you haven't

but you are showing symptoms of bigotis retardis. its a precursor to full blown islamophobia.

please check yourself into Abu Hurairah's clinic for mad cats and fruit cakes. asap.
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Reply #6 - June 05, 2017, 08:55 AM
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Reply #7 - June 05, 2017, 12:25 PM

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Quote from: Lemoncake on June 02, 2017, 08:39 PM

...............I develop Islamophobia ................
..............new problem: Islamaophobia.............
...... ................Im becoming racist,..........

Quote from: -Tmp- on June 05, 2017, 04:07 AM
What is your hourly rate for Islamophobia development? ..........

Quote from: babooshka on June 05, 2017, 08:53 AM
no you haven't

but you are showing symptoms of bigotis retardis. its a precursor to full blown islamophobia.

Many folks all over the globe and many CEMB members here use that word "islamophobia" very loosely without understanding the word itself ., Often it is confused hate against Muslim folks ., MuslimPhobia and sometimes it is coupled to "racism" without knowing the connection between these words and definition to these words. We must note here all those three words/behavioural problems of people with those three characters are different

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Reply #8 - June 05, 2017, 03:16 PM

Like what three said,

Quote from: three on June 02, 2017, 10:55 PM
Don't radicalize yourself. Get back to being reasonable.

You need to always try to stick to the substance of the problem. Don't get carried away by the surface. Remember, anything excessive/exaggerated is not good, and vice versa.

Put the right thing into the right place at the right time.

Hating an Ideology is okay, but you need to look further before hating the person. Misdirected Hatred is not good.
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Reply #9 - June 06, 2017, 05:42 AM

"crisis since i thought it was a mercy from allah sending so many muslims to us making it easier to islamize europe"

Out of curiosity, could you expand on this a bit and describe a bit what you wanted and what you thought it would look like?

"But racism and islamophobia are not okay. "

Ok, hold on a second. I have seen this covered elsewhere, but the two concepts are not synonymous. There are many islamic apologists who try to equate the two, but they are different.

Racism would be hating people from muslim countries or those with muslim faith.

"islamophobia" literally means "fear of islam." It is rational to be afraid of an ideology if that ideology contains harmful morality that would cause people to inflict suffering or oppression on others.

Fear of islam is not the same thing as hating or being afraid of every person who is a muslim. I think you can separate the people from the ideology and the potential harm it causes.

To use an a analogy (and it's just an analogy, i am NOT saying islam is like national socialism)

You could have been "Nazi-phobic" during World War 2 without being racist against Germans and Japanese.

This is an important distinction, and both sides get it wrong. The imams and apologists who claim islam is above criticism, and the racists who think people from mulsim backgrounds are "bad people."
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Reply #10 - June 06, 2017, 10:28 PM

ok, so when someone, through their 'rational' fear of islam, burns down a mosque or pulls off someone's hijab because both the mosque and the hijab represent their fear of islam. what would this sort of crime be called?

I hear a lot of people say islam isn't a race so its not racism.
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Reply #11 - June 06, 2017, 10:39 PM

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ok, so when someone, through their 'rational' fear of islam, burns down a mosque or pulls off someone's hijab because both the mosque and the hijab represent their fear of islam. what would this sort of crime be called?

Arson and assault (and battery, if contact is made). I met some ex-arsonists in the Houston area when I was living there. That's five years of hard time in Huntsville. Pro-tip: you do not want to spend any time in a Texas prison.
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Reply #12 - June 06, 2017, 10:46 PM

IMO the real victim of 'hate' isn't the man or woman who has been physically harmed by some lunatic. That one's just the victim of a crime. Which isn't fun, and is dangerous, but s/he's still in command of his/her own soul.

The real victim of 'hate' is the hater. That's the person whose mind is broken. That's the person I don't want to turn into. That murderer in Portland - who was a Bernie voter - is an excellent example.

As far as 'Islamophobia' goes, recognising that Islam (in its current state) has some serious flaws, and speaking out against them in a debate setting, is fine. Shouting at random Muslims... just, no.
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Reply #13 - June 07, 2017, 09:04 AM

Quote from: Lemoncake on June 02, 2017, 08:39 PM
Good evening everybody,
so after going through a depression which lasted almost 2 years i finally came to the conclusion to leave Islam once for all. Youtube channels like ,,The masked arab'' and ,,Acts17Apologetics'' helped me alot, they actually made me laugh and realize how ridiculous this religion is. It is indeed the crackpot of all religions. I won't point out why i left Islam, since its more than obivous. Now im a happy atheist enoying life without fearing gehinnom, i mean gehenna.

But now i face a new problem: Islamaophobia

The fact that there are still millions of muslims in europe WANTING Islam to be dominant and WANTING Sharia law makes me really sick and depressiv. I was one of them, i used to love the refugee crisis since i thought it was a mercy from allah sending so many muslims to us making it easier to islamize europe. But now i actually don't want them, i want them to go back but we know that won't happen. They will all breed like crazy and their offspring will probably radicalize and spread more hateful islamic views. This is what im scared of: Rise of islamic terrorism and extremism in europe.

I want to party, i want to gout, i want to live without having to fear terrorist attacks all the time. I really wish our gouvernments would grow some balls and just deport everyone who is against our democracy.

How do you deal with these fears of muslims? Im becoming racist, too. I used to love somalis for being such strict muslims, now i hate them and i don't want my children growing up with these of people in EUROPE.

You know what your problem is, you are still an extremist and bigot even as a secular.You may have left Islam and stop believing in it but you haven't shed off your extreme tendencies and bigotry yet and develop an understanding of nuances and complexities of this life. The ironic thing of it is that you are the same as those muslim extremist because you got one thing in common with them; Hatred.

Quote from: babooshka on June 06, 2017, 10:28 PM

I hear a lot of people say islam isn't a race so its not racism.

This has become one of my pet peeves when people say that.

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Reply #14 - June 11, 2017, 11:20 AM

Quote from: babooshka on June 06, 2017, 10:28 PM
ok, so when someone, through their 'rational' fear of islam, burns down a mosque or pulls off someone's hijab because both the mosque and the hijab represent their fear of islam. what would this sort of crime be called?

I hear a lot of people say islam isn't a race so its not racism.

Arson or physical assault. A fear of an ideology or religion does not give one license to commit otherwise violent acts against individuals who believe in that religion. This is simplistic thinking that islamist apologists use, that islam ahould be immune to criticism or opposition because such will inevitably lead to violence against individuals of the faith or is the equivalent.

This is like arguing that one should not criticize Trump, because it gives license to AntiFA types to attack Trump supporters or conservatives in general.
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Reply #15 - June 11, 2017, 12:07 PM

Quote from: Cato on June 07, 2017, 09:04 AM
you are still an extremist and bigot even as a secular. You may have left Islam and stop believing in it but you haven't shed off your extreme tendencies and bigotry yet and develop an understanding of nuances and complexities of this life. The ironic thing of it is that you are the same as those muslim extremist because you got one thing in common with them; Hatred.

"Stop being Jesus Christ
Stop loving stupid stuff"

flush down the shit otherwise shit will hit your fan if you behave like Christ or start loving stupid stuff...

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Reply #16 - June 11, 2017, 10:41 PM

Quote from: Zimriel on June 06, 2017, 10:39 PM
Arson and assault (and battery, if contact is made). I met some ex-arsonists in the Houston area when I was living there. That's five years of hard time in Huntsville. Pro-tip: you do not want to spend any time in a Texas prison.

Quote from: DaveK on June 11, 2017, 11:20 AM
Arson or physical assault. A fear of an ideology or religion does not give one license to commit otherwise violent acts against individuals who believe in that religion. This is simplistic thinking that islamist apologists use, that islam ahould be immune to criticism or opposition because such will inevitably lead to violence against individuals of the faith or is the equivalent.

I agree, islam shouldn't be immune to criticism. however, when muslims are physically attacked for their beliefs, should we just call it physical assault or battery and lump it in with your every day bar brawl/football match violence? that would be shoddy data collection. Its a hate crime specifically against muslims. I think we need a word for it.
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Reply #17 - June 11, 2017, 10:52 PM

Quote from: Zimriel on June 06, 2017, 10:46 PM
IMO the real victim of 'hate' isn't the man or woman who has been physically harmed by some lunatic. That one's just the victim of a crime. Which isn't fun, and is dangerous, but s/he's still in command of his/her own soul.

The real victim of 'hate' is the hater. That's the person whose mind is broken. That's the person I don't want to turn into. That murderer in Portland - who was a Bernie voter - is an excellent example.

As far as 'Islamophobia' goes, recognising that Islam (in its current state) has some serious flaws, and speaking out against them in a debate setting, is fine. Shouting at random Muslims... just, no.

I'd never thought of the hater as a victim. In a way they are both victims. I think I'd like to see the perpetrator of such crimes go through some kind of muslim awareness course or maybe experience living with a muslim family for a while (i'm stretching it a bit I know!) rather than a jail term. (not aware of the Portland murder - will look it up)
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Reply #18 - June 11, 2017, 11:04 PM

Quote from: Cato on June 07, 2017, 09:04 AM

This has become one of my pet peeves when people say that.

mine too. the haters always say that.
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Reply #19 - June 12, 2017, 12:33 PM

Quote from: babooshka on June 11, 2017, 10:52 PM
I'd never thought of the hater as a victim. In a way they are both victims. I think I'd like to see the perpetrator of such crimes go through some kind of muslim awareness course or maybe experience living with a muslim family for a while (i'm stretching it a bit I know!) rather than a jail term. (not aware of the Portland murder - will look it up)

I disagree. A "muslim awareness" course seems like indoctrination. The person is free to have their opinions and even their prejudices. The action is the crime, and the punishment should be the same regardless of the motive (with some exceptions, like if a man steals to feed his starving family, but not for things like assault or arson)
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Reply #20 - June 12, 2017, 02:28 PM

Any 'phobia' by definition is an irrational fear. So the label applied indiscriminately and reflexively by Muslim apologists to critics of Islam is well chosen on their part. Instead of addressing the criticisms and concerns ... attack and discredit the messenger.

The physical assaults on Muslims are completely indefensible and I have to admit there are scary extremist people, who for the most part are white men (some blacks too) who generally assault Muslim women rather than Muslim men .. so they are cowards too. But I agree with one of the posts above that says the law should only concern itself with actions, not thoughts. Assault is a crime. Assault on someone due to hatred of their ethnicity or religion or sexual orientation is in most Western countries also a hate crime - carrying higher legal penalties that plain assault. That should be enough ... shouldn't it?
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Reply #21 - June 12, 2017, 03:21 PM

Quote from: DaveK on June 12, 2017, 12:33 PM
I disagree. A "muslim awareness" course seems like indoctrination. The person is free to have their opinions and even their prejudices. The action is the crime, and the punishment should be the same regardless of the motive (with some exceptions, like if a man steals to feed his starving family, but not for things like assault or arson)

Its not their opinions or their prejudices so their freedom of thought is an illusion. They're already indoctrinated by the media.

Their opinions are mostly what the media tells them to think. These thoughts fester in their simple brains. (A brain which probably has never had an original thought in its entire life). The attack on the muslim is a direct result of the thought. An education in the diversity and practices of ordinary everyday muslims would be more useful than a jail sentence. If they are sent to jail the resentment grows and they will continue their behaviour once released. Its a never ending cycle.
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Reply #22 - June 12, 2017, 04:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U49nOBFv508

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Reply #23 - June 14, 2017, 08:01 PM

Quote from: babooshka on June 12, 2017, 03:21 PM
Its not their opinions or their prejudices so their freedom of thought is an illusion. They're already indoctrinated by the media.

Their opinions are mostly what the media tells them to think. These thoughts fester in their simple brains. (A brain which probably has never had an original thought in its entire life). The attack on the muslim is a direct result of the thought. An education in the diversity and practices of ordinary everyday muslims would be more useful than a jail sentence. If they are sent to jail the resentment grows and they will continue their behaviour once released. Its a never ending cycle.

Well, this gets into the whole question of agency. I don't buy into the notion that a person doesn't have agency because of the information they have been exposed to. Everyone has different experiences and knowledge and will act according to such. Otherwise, I could make a case that only committed rationalists are truly free to act, since they make a conscious effort to be aware of and reject hueristic thinking. But heuristic thinking is human nature, and being rational is actually quite diifuclt and takes effort.

Furthermore, if the person doesn't have agency, you can't hold them responsible. Both the person who commits a hate crime and the jihadist terrorrist may be "brainwashed", but I would hold both ethically responsible for their actions.
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Reply #24 - June 15, 2017, 12:31 AM

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Furthermore, if the person doesn't have agency, you can't hold them responsible.

In Rorschach's words: men get arrested; dogs get put down.

I'd rather be a man.
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Reply #25 - June 15, 2017, 02:00 AM

That's a perfect action movie quote.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #26 - September 13, 2017, 12:13 PM

well on those words "I develop Islamophobia"., US of A Boston city launches poster campaign to combat Islamophobia. Here is the way to do it

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Seeking to bolster its reputation of being inclusive, the city of Boston will post 50 signs aimed at diffusing Islamophobia.

The public service announcement campaign was announced Monday by Mayor Martin J. Walsh’s office, and comes after San Francisco’s Bay Area Rapid Transit system did something similar.

Starting Monday, the posters will be placed throughout Boston on public furniture — such as bus stops — over the next two weeks.

“These posters are one tool we have to send the message that all are welcome in Boston,” Walsh said in a statement. “Education is key to fighting intolerance, and these posters share a simple strategy for engaging with those around you.”

that and more you can read at that link but let me put those educational cartoons here..
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apparently those cartoon posters were designed by the artist known as Maeril, gained popularity online after the November 2015 terror attacks in Paris. ., it says
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They give a step-by-step guide to diffusing situations where someone may be facing Islamophobia — or any other type of harassment — by encouraging bystanders to start up a conversation with those who are being targeted, and to ignore the person who is carrying out the harassment.

“This campaign is designed to encourage de-escalation, offering a peaceful way to address harassment that bystanders may witness in public,” said Faisa Sharif, a neighborhood liaison within the mayor’s civic engagement cabinet. “This is a proactive, inclusive strategy anyone can use if they see harassment around them, and is another way Boston supports an inclusive city that welcomes each and every person.” ..

well that is a good thing to support each and every person of any city .. and it should be done all over the globe ... I certainly agree and fully support in engaging in conversation with a person who happened to get harassed by fools in such places as bus stops, buses or restaurants but the cartoon victim need not be Muslim lady., it could be any one in any country any culture

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Reply #27 - September 13, 2017, 12:35 PM

On the way let me add this link of Islamicity.org to read at later times...

Hmm good cartoon .. good cartoon at that link

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Reply #28 - September 14, 2017, 12:00 PM

Ironic that the article in your link yeez refers to the lynching of 11 Italian Americans in a long list of American injustices.

Here's Italian-American comedian Joe Piscopo explaining the connection between that episode and how the statue of Columbus came to exist on Columbus Circle in Manhattan's upper west side:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNlVGX_HrrU
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Reply #29 - September 14, 2017, 05:27 PM

And here is the always eloquent Gad Saad on Islamophobia and Freedom of Speech in Canada:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ifai9h4wps
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