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  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     OP - October 02, 2017, 01:04 PM

    50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting   says news



    A gunman perched high on the 32nd floor of a Las Vegas Strip casino unleashed a shower of bullets down on an outdoor country music festival below, killing at least 50 people and wounding more than 200 as tens of thousands of frantic concert-goers screamed and ran for their lives, officials said on Monday. It was the worst mass shooting in modern United States (US) history.

    Country music star Jason Aldean was performing Sunday night at the end of the three-day Route 91 Harvest Festival when the gunman opened fire across the street from inside the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino.

    SWAT teams quickly descended on the concert and the casino, and officers used explosives to get into the hotel room where the suspect was inside, authorities said.

    The gunman died at the scene and was identified by Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo as Stephen Paddock. A motive has not been ascertained as yet. Police are also looking a woman, identified as Marilou Danley, for questioning. [/quote]

    well that is the breaking news from "Land of Freedom and Free  Guns Free Machine guns"

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #1 - October 02, 2017, 01:13 PM

    News from that  mirror.co.uk  says  "First picture of gunman Stephen Paddock  ......"



    and that is the picture  

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    .....  This is the first image of the suspected gunman who killed at least 50 people when he opened fire at a music festival in Las Vegas.

    Stephen Paddock has been named as the shooter who shot dead crowds of revellers at a country music event on the city's world famous strip.

    As well as the 50 people confirmed dead, over 200 others are injured after the gunman opened fire on music festival revellers....

    well it is life .. it goes away one way or other way but innocent folks getting killed by brainless rogues and nut cases is hard for those who  lost  their near and dear and have to live with such horrible loss of loved ones ..

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #2 - October 02, 2017, 01:14 PM

    "One failed attempt at a shoe bomb and we all take off our shoes at the airport. Thirty-one school shootings since Columbine and no change in our regulation of guns." -Daily Show correspondent John Oliver

    "Maybe this is crazy, but I think the right to own a gun is trumped by the right not to be shot by one." -Andy Borowitz

    "I'm not advocating for no guns. I like mine and am not about to give them up. But in this country, my uterus is more regulated than my guns. Birth control and reproductive health services are harder to get than bullets. What is that about? Guns don't kill people -- vaginas do?" -ShannynMoore, Alaska talk radio host and gun owner

    "Oh, you need a magazine that holds 30 rounds? Is that in case the deer starts shooting back?" -The Everlasting GOP Stoppers on Facebook

    "Q: How many NRA spokesman do you need to change a light bulb? A: More guns."

    (Source: https://www.thoughtco.com/jokes-and-one-liners-gun-control-2734151)

    PS - My deepest and sincerest sympathies to the victims of this madness. I only mock the insane logic that goes against gun prohibition.
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #3 - October 02, 2017, 01:19 PM


    THAT IS JUST A NOTE TO THE FRIENDS AND READERS

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  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #4 - October 02, 2017, 01:23 PM

    ^
    Good advice 
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #5 - October 02, 2017, 02:06 PM

    Over 400 hospitalised. Hope I'm wrong but I'd be shocked if the death toll doesn't rise significantly.
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #6 - October 02, 2017, 02:33 PM

    "One failed attempt at a shoe bomb and we all take off our shoes at the airport. Thirty-one school shootings since Columbine and no change in our regulation of guns." -Daily Show correspondent John Oliver

    "Maybe this is crazy, but I think the right to own a gun is trumped by the right not to be shot by one." -Andy Borowitz

    "I'm not advocating for no guns. I like mine and am not about to give them up. But in this country, my uterus is more regulated than my guns. Birth control and reproductive health services are harder to get than bullets. What is that about? Guns don't kill people -- vaginas do?" -ShannynMoore, Alaska talk radio host and gun owner

    "Oh, you need a magazine that holds 30 rounds? Is that in case the deer starts shooting back?" -The Everlasting GOP Stoppers on Facebook

    "Q: How many NRA spokesman do you need to change a light bulb? A: More guns."

    (Source: https://www.thoughtco.com/jokes-and-one-liners-gun-control-2734151)

    PS - My deepest and sincerest sympathies to the victims of this madness. I only mock the insane logic that goes against gun prohibition.


    Boy the anti-gun movement is sure bringing out its best and brightest. Reminds me of a burnt out light bulb.
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #7 - October 02, 2017, 02:43 PM

    ^
    Are you the best and brightest of the pro-gun lobby? Calling someone stupid isn't exactly an intelligent riposte.

    So shall we take the topic of gun control over to the Ringside seats section of the forum?
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #8 - October 02, 2017, 10:29 PM

    What is terrorism? A question people are asking and I'm confused myself. The definitions I've pulled from oxforddictionaries.com and collinsdictionaries.com are thus:

    ofxorddictionaries.com

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    noun
    mass noun


    The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
    ‘the fight against terrorism’

    ‘international terrorism’


    collinsdictionary.com

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    uncountable noun
    Terrorism is the use of violence, especially murder and bombing, in order to achieve political aims or to force a government to do something.
    [disapproval]


    As I always thought, that a political motive was key to differentiating with other crimes of multiple victims. But if Stephen Paddock wasn't politically motivated, does it matter? Does the definition matter? The victims will have felt terrorised. Terrorism contains the word terror.
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #9 - October 03, 2017, 12:35 AM

    That's how I've always understood it.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #10 - October 03, 2017, 01:07 AM

    Stephen Paddock, Las Vegas Suspect, Was a Gambler Who Drew Little Attention nytimes.com/2017/10/02/



    Stephen Paddock in a photo provided by his brother Eric Paddock. Credit via Associated Press

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    He was a high-stakes gambler recognized in the casinos of Nevada. He dabbled in real estate investments in Texas. His last known full-time employment was 30 years ago. He was twice divorced. He had a pilot’s license and had owned two single-engine planes.

    While his motive for the mass shooting outside a Las Vegas casino on Sunday night is unknown, Stephen Paddock’s life was unmoored and highly unconventional.

    From his neighbors in a quiet retirement community in Mesquite, Nev., he drew little attention, unless it was for his extreme propensity to keep to himself. He displayed no strong religious or political views, his relatives said, and was not known for angry outbursts.

    But he was the son of a bank robber who ultimately escaped from prison and spent most of the 1970s on the F.B.I.’s most wanted list. His girlfriend, sought for questioning by law enforcement officials after the shooting, has been in Tokyo.

    Details about Mr. Paddock’s career and livelihood were sparse, aside from observations by neighbors and family members that he routinely gambled large amounts of money. “He was a gambler, that was his job,” his brother, Eric Paddock, told reporters Monday at his home in Orlando. “He was a wealthy guy, playing video poker, who went cruising all the time and lived in a hotel room.”

    Mr. Paddock and his three brothers were raised by their mother, who told the children that their father had died when in fact he was in prison, Eric Paddock said. Mr. Paddock’s father was convicted in 1961 of committing a series of bank robberies, and was sentenced to 20 years, but escaped from La Tuna federal prison in Texas in 1968 and then became a used car dealer and bingo parlor operator in Oregon.

    A “Wanted” poster for the elder Mr. Paddock warned that he was “diagnosed as psychopathic,” and “reportedly has suicidal tendencies,” and “should be considered armed and very dangerous.”

    The children’s mother was left to raise the family on her own. They moved around the country, from Iowa to Tucson to Southern California, another brother, Patrick Paddock II, said. Stephen Paddock’s behavior did not offer any indication of violent tendencies, the brother said.

    “He was the least violent in the family during my childhood. So, it’s kind of like, ‘Who?’” Comparing himself to his brother, he said, “I have much more anger.”

    Stephen Paddock attended college, his family said, and worked for a predecessor company to Lockheed Martin, the aerospace contracting company, from 1985 to 1988. Lockheed Martin confirmed his employment but did not identify the company for which Mr. Paddock worked.

    Mr. Paddock once owned and managed a working-class apartment complex in the Dallas suburb of Mesquite, Tex., records show.   A resident, Priscilla McBride, told The Dallas Morning News that Mr. Paddock often roamed the apartment property, casually talking to residents.

    He moved away several years ago, she said, and they had not seen each other since. “I thought, it couldn’t be,” she said of the mass shooting. “You would have never thought he would be killing people. You just never know.”

    Two of the gunman’s three brothers said they were not close to him, and the third could not be located. Patrick Paddock said he and his brother had not been in contact for as long as 20 years, and he did not initially recognize the face that flashed on his television screen. He wondered aloud about the motive behind the crime, and expressed profound distress for the victims.

    “My anxiety is not a drop in the ocean compared to how I feel about the people who got killed,” he said.

    Eric Paddock broke down in tears during an interview. “There’s nothing I can say. My brother did this. It’s like he shot us. I couldn’t be more dumbfounded,” he said. He said he last communicated with his brother when Stephen inquired about how the family had fared during Hurricane Irma, which struck Florida in September.

    “He texted me to ask about my mom after the hurricane,” Eric Paddock told reporters. “He sent her a walker.”  He said the situation has been very difficult for their 91-year-old mother, who “had to deal with her husband who was a bank robber, and now this.”

    Stephen Paddock, 64, lived with his current girlfriend, Marilou Danley, 62.

    She worked as “high-limit hostess” at the Atlantis Casino in Reno, Nev. from 2010 to 2013, according to her LinkedIn account. On Monday, the casino said that she left the company several years ago. High-limit hostesses attend to members of a loyalty club called Club Paradise who spend large quantities of money and receive discounted hotel rooms, meals and other amenities, according to the casino’s website.

    Mr. Paddock seemed to have no criminal history, according to records searches in places where he was known to have lived. The Mesquite Police Department said they had no interactions with the couple, including traffic stops.

    Few things seemed out of the ordinary Thursday when Mr. Paddock checked into a suite at the Mandalay Bay Resort in Las Vegas.

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    But shortly after 10 p.m. Sunday night, from his window on the 32nd floor of the hotel, he unleashed a vicious deluge of bullets from an assault rifle and killed 59 people attending an outdoor country music concert nearby. More than 500 others were injured.


    When police stormed his room shortly before midnight, Mr. Paddock lay dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. He left behind 17 guns in the hotel room, including two rifles mounted on tripods, 18 guns in his house, hundreds of rounds of ammunition, broken windows, and a trail of questions by family members and neighbors who are struggling to make sense of his motive. His car remained parked with the hotel valet. Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department described Mr. Paddock as “lone wolf” whose intentions had gone unnoticed by hotel staff members who had gone in and out of his room without detecting the trove of weapons.

    “I can’t get into the mind of a psychopath at this point,” Sheriff Lombardo said.

    On Monday, local police had blocked off the entrance to Sun City, the retirement community where Mr. Paddock lived.

    Eric Paddock said he and his family were “shocked, horrified” by the news, saying he was “not an avid gun guy.” The brother told CBS News that he knew Mr. Paddock had handguns, but that as far as he knew, Mr. Paddock did not own machine guns.

    “Where the hell did he get automatic weapons? He has no military background or anything like that,” the brother said. “When you find out about him, like I said, he’s a guy who lived in a house in Mesquite and drove down and gambled in Las Vegas.”

    Eric Paddock told reporters in Florida that his brother “had nothing to do with any political organization, religious organization, no white supremacist, nothing, as far as I know. And I’ve only known him for 57 years.”

    Mr. Paddock had a private pilot’s license, according to Federal Aviation Administration, and had two small single-engine planes registered in his name.

    One of Mr. Paddock’s ex-wives, who now lives near Los Angeles, told the Los Angeles police that they had divorced 27 years ago after being married six years. They had no children.

    He owned several homes and properties across the country, according to a review of public records.

    “He seemed normal, other than that he lived by gambling,” Sharon Judy, a former neighbor, told FloridaToday. “ He was very open about that. First time we ever met him, he handed us the key to the house and said, ‘Hey, would keep an eye on the house, we’re only going to be here every now and then.’ ”

    well that is what news from AMRIKA says

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #11 - October 03, 2017, 03:23 AM

    Boy the anti-gun movement is sure bringing out its best and brightest. Reminds me of a burnt out light bulb.

    Well all lights and light bulbs in the brain of Gun law supporting yahoos are turned off in your America  dear bogart.,

    Any light bulb in the brain  would have not allowed  an individual to collect so many weapons and ammunition and transport in to hotel 

    http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/10/02/breaking-news/paddock-had-17-rifles-in-room-including-one-modified-with-a-legal-rapid-fire-device/

    Paddock had 17 rifles in hotel  room, including one modified with a legal rapid-fire device

    Quote
    WASHINGTON — Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, had an arsenal of 17 weapons in his hotel room, mostly military-style rifles, according to a law enforcement source.

    At least one of them had been modified with a legal “bump stock” style device that allows the shooter to rapidly fire off rounds without actually converting it to a fully automatic weapon, the source said.

    The devices modify the gun’s stock so that the recoil helps accelerate how quickly the shooter can pull the trigger. The devices are legal in the U.S.

    Other weapons may have been converted to fully automatic fire, and were still being examined, the source said.

    Paddock had four Daniel Defense DDM4 rifles, three FN-15s and other rifles made by Sig Sauer.

    Paddock apparently bought the guns legally, passing the required background checks.

    At least six of the guns were purchased at one store, a Cabela’s in Verdi, Nev. A manager at the store declined to comment.

    Several other weapons were purchased at Discount Firearms and Ammo, a few blocks from the strip in Las Vegas, the source said. “It’s an open investigation,” said a store employee, before hanging up.

    Paddock, who lived in Mesquite, Nev., also bought some weapons at a store there, Guns and Guitars, according to a statement given by the store owner to USA Today.

    “He had good-quality, high-powered rifles,” the source said.

    Authorities said today that Paddock had used as many as 10 suitcases to transport the arsenal to his room at the Mandalay Bay and had smashed open the room’s windows with a hammerlike device.

    Investigators also found more weapons at his home and are now working to track down all his gun transactions, including some at Nevada gun shows. Records show that Paddock had owned at least 30 guns at one time or another.


    Amrika seems to be high on Guns,   drugs , Jails and with lots of freedom and and  children without parents .... 

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #12 - October 03, 2017, 04:39 AM

    RIP to all the victims of this fucker.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #13 - October 03, 2017, 09:37 AM

    LAS VEGAS SHOOTING: GUNMAN STEPHEN PADDOCK USED LEGAL 'BUMP STOCK' TO LET HIM FIRE SO QUICKLY FOR SO LONG     news from  independent.co.uk

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    The gunman who launched heavy gunfire at people at a Las Vegas concert appears to have done so using a legal trick that almost anyone can buy.

    Many had wondered how Stephen Paddock managed to fire for so long and so quickly as he rained down bullets for around 15 minutes on the country music festival. The numerous weapons he fired from his hotel room allowed him to kill at least 59 people and injure hundreds more.

    The speed of that shooting led some to suggest that Paddock was using automatic weapons. But automatic rifles are heavily regulated and difficult to buy in the US. Instead, he used a "bump stock" on at least two of the weapons, officials said. That legal trick is an attachment for the weapon that technically allows it to count as semi-automatic, despite the fact that it can be used to fire like an automatic rifle.

    The devices have attracted scrutiny in recent years from authorities. But they are entirely legal and regularly available in many states. California Senator Dianne Feinstein has long railed against them. Several years ago, she told The Associated Press she was concerned about the emergence of new technologies that could retrofit firearms to make them fully automatic.

    "This replacement shoulder stock turns a semi-automatic rifle into a weapon that can fire at a rate of 400 to 800 rounds per minute," she said.

    A semi-automatic weapon requires one trigger pull for each round fired. With a fully automatic firearm, one trigger pull can unleash continuous rounds until the magazine is empty.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Ws9qu4rs0

    great discovery .,everyone in every home in AMRIKA should have guns and that device .  It saves democracy and it saves freedom  and freedom to have anything and freedom to kill anything  in that country

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #14 - October 03, 2017, 04:33 PM

    Well all lights and light bulbs in the brain of Gun law supporting yahoos are turned off in your America  dear bogart.,

    Any light bulb in the brain  would have not allowed  an individual to collect so many weapons and ammunition and transport in to hotel 


    We can all talk about gun control but I also wonder how this hotel could turn such a blind eye to a guy bringing in so many firearms.
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #15 - October 03, 2017, 04:35 PM

    Is Stephen Paddock now a good guy for turning the gun on himself? I ask in response to the logic that the only way to stop a bag guy with a gun is to have a good guy with a gun.
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #16 - October 03, 2017, 06:19 PM

    ^
    Are you the best and brightest of the pro-gun lobby? Calling someone stupid isn't exactly an intelligent riposte.


    The points references were stupid. Pointing this out is not out of line.

    Quote
    So shall we take the topic of gun control over to the Ringside seats section of the forum?


    If you want to. Doesn't matter to me really. Again all I said are the points you quoted are dumb.
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #17 - October 03, 2017, 06:24 PM

    Well all lights and light bulbs in the brain of Gun law supporting yahoos are turned off in your America  dear bogart.,


    I care little about the opinions of a group of people that most likely never used a weapon in their lives. I just state my own and toss in some ridicule

    Quote
    Any light bulb in the brain  would have not allowed  an individual to collect so many weapons and ammunition and transport in to hotel 


    You are speculatiing intent without evidence. What about 5 guns? 7? 2?

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    http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/10/02/breaking-news/paddock-had-17-rifles-in-room-including-one-modified-with-a-legal-rapid-fire-device/

    Paddock had 17 rifles in hotel  room, including one modified with a legal rapid-fire device


    So?

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    Amrika seems to be high on Guns,   drugs , Jails and with lots of freedom and and  children without parents .... 


    Yah because of it's history. A history of a UK monarch that rules over the colonies while believing they are God's mouth piece and acted like a tyrant. I wonder why America like guns given that fact....

  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #18 - October 03, 2017, 06:25 PM

    Is Stephen Paddock now a good guy for turning the gun on himself? I ask in response to the logic that the only way to stop a bag guy with a gun is to have a good guy with a gun.


    No. He took the easy way out.
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #19 - October 03, 2017, 06:45 PM

    ^As opposed to?
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #20 - October 03, 2017, 06:49 PM

    ^As opposed to?


    Jail time followed by his execution along with the long term knowledge he is going to die. I do not think his mental health while he was going apeshit was at a point the thought of killing himself had any real impact. I am speculating here. I think he went insane thus lost the capacity to understand what he was doing in a normal way you or I would.

    Some people commit horrible acts but accept the consequences. They regret their act in some form even if it is a selfish one. This guy was a mars bar.
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #21 - October 03, 2017, 06:55 PM

    Gotcha. For a moment there I was worried the alternative you were referring to might have been some sort of blaze of glory firefight with law enforcement.

    This is a terrible tragedy nonetheless. I’m afraid America is simply in too deep on the guns issue to ever see any meaningful change in outcomes coming about from legislation. This place is awash with guns and crazy people.
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #22 - October 03, 2017, 06:59 PM

    Gotcha. For a moment there I was worried the alternative you were referring to might have been some sort of blaze of glory firefight with law enforcement.


    No it was more like "killing yourself is the cowards way out" line

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    This is a terrible tragedy nonetheless. I’m afraid America is simply in too deep on the guns issue to ever see any meaningful change in outcomes coming about from legislation. This place is awash with guns and crazy people.


    The problem is far too many sides are polarized to extremes. Moderate voices are lost. Far too many people take this event and politicized it while ignoring say small arms violence.

     I support gun ownership for self-defense and against government. Cops can not be everywhere at all times. Cops can be the "bad guys" People need more options besides running or being a victim. If someone breaks into my house they are going to get shot. If cops become an arm of say a raise of white nationalism again I want to be armed.


  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #23 - October 03, 2017, 07:58 PM

    It’s that sort of reasoning that worries me in practice, not because I disagree with the notion of private gun ownership for self-defense, but because the amount of firepower that would be necessary to achieve the sort of equilibrium required to have any real impact against potential abuses by Federal, State, or local law enforcement would mean citizens having access to weapons even deadlier than the ones used in this most recent attack.

    When a firefight meant musket against musket with perhaps the potential for a cannon ball here or there, the 2nd Amendment did offer a sort of fail-safe against tyranny. Today, the military power of the federal government is unmatched and many police departments have war grade machinery at their disposal.

    So, what do we do? Do we continue to allow weapons of mass murder to be legally within reach of “mars bars” who might snap at any moment? Or do we pass meaningless legislation for political points that would, in practice, only put the equivalent of a plastic hurdle in between a nut job and a machine gun?
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #24 - October 04, 2017, 03:09 AM

    It’s that sort of reasoning that worries me in practice, not because I disagree with the notion of private gun ownership for self-defense, but because the amount of firepower that would be necessary to achieve the sort of equilibrium required to have any real impact against potential abuses by Federal, State, or local law enforcement would mean citizens having access to weapons even deadlier than the ones used in this most recent attack.


    I am not talking about fighting the military. If the military is already involved the situations is beyond control. It is already open civil war. Parity with the police is not required. Keep in mind the shooter modified his weapons so people can do likewise and have with what is already on the market.

    Better regulations are not out of order.

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    When a firefight meant musket against musket with perhaps the potential for a cannon ball here or there, the 2nd Amendment did offer a sort of fail-safe against tyranny. Today, the military power of the federal government is unmatched and many police departments have war grade machinery at their disposal.


    Keep in mind the Revolutionary Army was built upon an existing military force of colonial militia that was armed. If there was a civil war I expect a lot of the military to defect. Depending on the cause of the war defection could be large scale.

    Quote
    So, what do we do? Do we continue to allow weapons of mass murder to be legally within reach of “mars bars” who might snap at any moment? Or do we pass meaningless legislation for political points that would, in practice, only put the equivalent of a plastic hurdle in between a nut job and a machine gun?


    The alternative of disarmament leaves people at the whims of criminals and other forces. There are risks in any solution.

    Machines guns are illegal in the US. The shooter never used a machine gun. Do not confuse a modified rifle for a Browning.
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #25 - October 04, 2017, 05:15 AM

    Who is for arming groups like the Kurds but against citizens have access to the same type of weapons?
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #26 - October 04, 2017, 12:50 PM

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    I am not talking about fighting the military. If the military is already involved the situations is beyond control. It is already open civil war. Parity with the police is not required.


    Then the argument about protection against the “government” falls flat on its face from my perspective.

    Quote
    Keep in mind the shooter modified his weapons so people can do likewise and have with what is already on the market.

    Better regulations are not out of order.


    That is exactly why I say we are too far down the rabbit hole on the guns issue. Not only do the modifications exist to turn rifles into high-capacity weapons with simulated automation, those modifications are easily accessible and entirely legal. They are a feature of the culture.

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    The alternative of disarmament leaves people at the whims of criminals and other forces. There are risks in any solution.


    To a large extent, we already are. I don’t buy the argument that more crazy people with more access to more powerful guns somehow makes us safer.

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    Machines guns are illegal in the US. The shooter never used a machine gun. Do not confuse a modified rifle for a Browning.


    A distinction without a real difference, especially if you are on the receiving end of the spray of bullets. The bump fire stock necessary to simulate automation can literally be bought legally online or at your next local gun show, from someone eager to sell it - hence my "plastic hurdle" comment.   
  • 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas concert shooting says news
     Reply #27 - October 04, 2017, 01:33 PM

    Then the argument about protection against the “government”   falls flat on its face from my perspective.

    That is exactly why I say we are too far down the rabbit hole on the guns issue. Not only do the modifications exist to turn rifles into high-capacity weapons with simulated automation, those modifications are easily accessible and entirely legal. They are a feature of the culture.

    To a large extent, we already are. I don’t buy the argument that more crazy people with more access to more powerful guns somehow makes us safer.

    A distinction without a real difference, especially if you are on the receiving end of the spray of bullets. The bump fire stock necessary to simulate automation can literally be bought legally online or at your next local gun show, from someone eager to sell it - hence my "plastic hurdle" comment.   


    And Ibn., all  your logic falls flat and bleeds through the nose   with those who have AMRIKA FOX NEWS mentality ..

    Criminals of AMRIKA can easily get  more powerful guns  and and can modify their guns in to RPGS.. hence everyone in the country must have RPG and other high powered Rifles in every home  for protecting their  family specially little children  

    Many AMRIKANS Seems to be  living in 17th, 18th and 19th century with 21st century destructive technology in hands and and with medieval religious mindset...

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     Reply #28 - October 04, 2017, 05:45 PM

    Then the argument about protection against the “government” falls flat on its face from my perspective.


    Then you leave yourself completely exposed with only hoping, or praying, as your own recourse. Some defense is better than none at all.

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    That is exactly why I say we are too far down the rabbit hole on the guns issue. Not only do the modifications exist to turn rifles into high-capacity weapons with simulated automation, those modifications are easily accessible and entirely legal. They are a feature of the culture.


    Some modification were developed by the industry, some developed by users be they weaponsmith or McGyver setups.

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    To a large extent, we already are. I don’t buy the argument that more crazy people with more access to more powerful guns somehow makes us safer.


    Not really. There are a lot of people well-armed typically above that of the average criminal use of weapons.

    Mental health regulation have been introduced in a number of states. I think it needs to be a federal law so that states can not opt out.

    The average gun user is not crazy.


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    A distinction without a real difference, especially if you are on the receiving end of the spray of bullets. The bump fire stock necessary to simulate automation can literally be bought legally online or at your next local gun show, from someone eager to sell it - hence my "plastic hurdle" comment. 


    So? Outlying cases do not make laws otherwise cars would be illegal.

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     Reply #29 - October 04, 2017, 06:57 PM

    Then you leave yourself completely exposed with only hoping, or praying, as your own recourse. Some defense is better than none at all.

    Some modification were developed by the industry, some developed by users be they weaponsmith or McGyver setups.

    Yap   every one  and every home  in AMRIKA should have hand grenades ......RPGS and some fully automatic assault weapons and 1000s rounds of ammunition  to protect their families  ..

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