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  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     OP - June 29, 2020, 05:55 PM
    Good evening all, it has been a while  Smiley

    This question is especially for black ex-Muslims but have you noticed the anti-blackness on display from several non-black ex-Muslims this year. Maryam and some of the others have been  great and supportive. But there are other ex-Muslim figures who have been quite the opposite. I have seen one who claimed that most black people are perpetual victims and endorsed anti-black extremists who happen to have the same skin colour as us like Candace Owens.

    It really disgusts me and makes me distance myself from the ex-Muslim movement.
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #1 - June 29, 2020, 07:42 PM
    Hi welcome back.

    I’m not sure it’s for me to answer and it’s not something I’ve paid attention to - but it doesn’t surprise me at all. It just seems consistent with the political trajectory of quite a few vocal ex-Muslims.
    Which side are you on?
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #2 - June 29, 2020, 08:00 PM
    Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on June 29, 2020, 05:55 PM
    I have seen one who claimed that most black people are perpetual victims and endorsed anti-black extremists who happen to have the same skin colour as us like Candace Owens.


    victimhood and martyrdom - isn't that the entire basis of the blm movement/cult?
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #3 - June 29, 2020, 08:04 PM
    ^^One could easily say that the entire basis of the Ex-Muslim movement (which could be called a "cult" as well) is victimhood and martyrdom.
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #4 - June 29, 2020, 08:08 PM
    Quote from: zeca on June 29, 2020, 07:42 PM
    Hi welcome back.

    I’m not sure it’s for me to answer and it’s not something I’ve paid attention to - but it doesn’t surprise me at all. It just seems consistent with the political trajectory of quite a few vocal ex-Muslims.


    Thanks zeca Smiley

    I have been to a couple of Ex-Muslim gatherings over the past couple of years and I have normally heard this narrative from people I met at these events (who I am now keeping a distance from) and from Ex-Muslim Twitter. Many also come from notoriously anti-black cultures so I guess that mindset doesn't change after they leave Islam.
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #5 - June 29, 2020, 08:28 PM
     
    Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on June 29, 2020, 08:04 PM
    ^^One could easily say that the entire basis of the Ex-Muslim movement (which could be called a "cult" as well) is victimhood and martyrdom.

    AGirlWithDoubts  ,,,AGWD.....   my goodness looong time no see dear AGWD....


    well that statement of yours will fit to all faiths .. and those who left faiths  is it not? or do you think it is specific to Islam??

    well you have no doubts in your views and you are very clear what you want to do in life .. and you know you have hard  work  ahead until that  Nov 20th of this year...

    welcome back

    with best wshes
    yeezevee
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #6 - June 29, 2020, 08:35 PM
    Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on June 29, 2020, 08:04 PM
    One could easily say that the entire basis of the Ex-Muslim movement (which could be called a "cult" as well) is victimhood and martyrdom.


    indeed, one could.
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #7 - June 29, 2020, 10:00 PM
    ... but there is an alternative to throwing your lot in with a race cult or lefty apostates.

    it's as simple as accepting that identity is a fiction. why define yourself according to some broken idea - or even the repudiation of an idea - when you can just be yourself?
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #8 - June 30, 2020, 01:35 PM
    Quote from: crumble on June 29, 2020, 10:00 PM
    ... but there is an alternative to throwing your lot in with a race cult or lefty apostates.

    it's as simple as accepting that identity is a fiction. why define yourself according to some broken idea - or even the repudiation of an idea - when you can just be yourself?

    you seem to be living in UTOPIAN LANDS  dear crumble... 

    Those who are  being himself or herself.. being themselves and being quite.... are getting beaten by  Rogues in faith and rogues in every society   and if they are not getting beaten they get trampled  under the feet of these scoundrels in every  way    dear crumble ....it never worked in the history of human race .........that will not work in real world...
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #9 - June 30, 2020, 07:02 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on June 30, 2020, 01:35 PM
    you seem to be living in UTOPIAN LANDS  dear crumble... 


    you mean luton? hahaha... no
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #10 - June 30, 2020, 09:36 PM
    Quote from: crumble on June 30, 2020, 07:02 PM
    you mean luton? hahaha... no


    luton..... Huh?  I didn't expect that word   from you dear crumble., where did you get that from??   that is Ok.,   What is there in place?  and what is there in name?? ...........crumble  .....  or .......yeezevee... ..... A rose is a rose by any name...... A rogue is a rogue by any name .....

    So tell me the name of the  land that I can live where  I can be "just be myself and live  myself" with no interference.....   no resonance ...  I will move over there..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #11 - July 01, 2020, 12:01 AM
    see my other thread about lazy alternatives to apostasy. with regard to this thread, those who subscribe to racial and ir/religious identities will remain as slaves in whichever country they reside.
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #12 - July 12, 2020, 10:06 AM
    fun article:

    Quote from:
    It’s the Fourth of July, and revolution is in the air. Only in America would it look like this: an elite-sponsored Maoist revolt, couched as a Black liberation movement whose canonical texts are a corporate consultant’s white guilt self-help manual, and a New York Times series rewriting history to explain an election they called wrong.


    https://taibbi.substack.com/p/year-zero
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #13 - August 11, 2020, 09:06 PM
    haven't watched this yet but I suspect I'll disagree.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=SzFhTyHGL7w
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #14 - August 27, 2020, 03:13 PM
    Quote from: crumble on August 11, 2020, 09:06 PM
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=SzFhTyHGL7w


    Here’s an edited transcript of the interview: https://maryamnamazie.com/black-lives-matter-full-stop/
    Quote
    Maryam Namazie: Thank you, Ali, for organising this hugely important discussion. Let me preface by saying that some ex-Muslims have been concerned about disagreements within our “community” and the polarization over BLM but the reality is that we’re not a homogeneous community any more than any other so-called community – whether it be Muslim, LGBT, black, white… Also, differences are not a “betrayal” of some imagined collective “identity” but as a result of our individual politics and choices. I have seen these differences often, when for example, I have defended open borders and refugee rights or condemned Brexit. Similarly, discussion on BLM, systematic racism and police brutality are uncomfortable because of fundamental differences in politics but that is why we need to have them. It has to be added that discomfort is not the same as “bullying,” Also, vehement disagreements are not the same as being silenced.

    As someone firmly on the Left, for me, BLM is an important movement that has brought the issue of systematic racism in policing into the mainstream narrative. It’s inspiring to see and I feel very much like we are witnessing a new phase of an unfinished civil rights movement. As an activist, I believe that it is in the streets that the status quo can be challenged and this is what BLM is doing. The fact that we have seen protests in other countries shows how much institutional racism is part of the experience of black and minority women and men in countries outside the US too. That doesn’t mean I don’t have criticisms of aspects of BLM as I do of the ex-Muslim movement, for example, but I understand its importance and relevance (beyond a limited organisational scope), particularly during a Trump presidency that relies on white supremacy and identity politics.


    Quote from: crumble on August 11, 2020, 09:06 PM
    haven't watched this yet but I suspect I'll disagree.


    So did you disagree with it?
    Which side are you on?
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #15 - August 27, 2020, 09:00 PM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IqUuXz37g8

    That is what Islam did   for some folks in the history of Islam... and Islam still has place... right Islam has the power to change the people.. Ex-Muslims must  keep that in mind when they attack Islam IN ITS TOTALITY.. off course times are different now.. but people must have freedom  to choose Islam or for that matter any faith they like......
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #16 - August 31, 2020, 12:23 AM
    Quote from: zeca on August 27, 2020, 03:13 PM
    Here’s an edited transcript of the interview: https://maryamnamazie.com/black-lives-matter-full-stop/
    So did you disagree with it?


    sounds very balanced but...

    Quote from:
    No movement can win in isolation. You can’t win women’s rights if men are not involved in the fight for liberation. You can’t win rights for ex-Muslim if Muslims are not fighting in your corner. Black Lives Matter has become a mass movement. We need to both support them but also show them how our movements are linked, how our lives are linked, how our rights are linked


    the universal rights and solidarity stuff is not my cup of tea. seekomg support from misogynists, racists, takfiris, etc is crazy. blindly supporting every crackpot demand for rights is even crazier.
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #17 - August 31, 2020, 07:22 PM
    The Arc of Racial Progress with Neil deGrasse Tyson  ......Coleman Hughes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKklcL1WNec

    interesting interview...........
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #18 - September 15, 2020, 12:46 AM
    starts off with some sensible anti mob arguments before derailing into pro establishment/history hogwash.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmbd60apsfQ
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #19 - September 15, 2020, 07:58 AM
    Quote from: crumble on September 15, 2020, 12:46 AM
    starts off with some sensible anti mob arguments before derailing into pro establishment/history hogwash.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmbd60apsfQ

    do they live in AMRIKA  .. or is it  just armchair  discussion far away from the real problems in AMRIKA??  But I agree that Police reforms in US of A using that brute force for every silly thing is indeed necessary ..  And best example from AMRIKA POLICE need reforms badly  is a foolish police  guy shooting ground hog on the road in public..

    BLM in AMRIKA appears to have gone from protests for reforms to shooting Police officers that are sitting in cop car ..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph0IC812q3k
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #20 - April 17, 2021, 03:10 AM
    on being authentic according to diversity priests, ie reverse racism.

    Quote from:
    “We all fell in love with him. Who didn’t, right? But after you got into about the second series you got kind of like, OK, he doesn’t have any black friends, he doesn’t eat any Caribbean food, this doesn’t feel authentic,” the BBC official said at a recent conference, as reported by the Times. According to Wayland, black characters should be placed in environments and have traits that are reflective of their background. She ultimately concluded that Elba’s character “isn’t black enough to be real.”


    https://www.rt.com/uk/520976-idris-elba-bbc-black/
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #21 - April 20, 2021, 09:56 PM
    well they found the floyd cop guilty on all counts. civil rights types are making triumphant speeches whilst invoking the enslavers' god. nothing has changed and they remain lost.
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #22 - May 29, 2021, 01:57 AM
    Are we pretending it's a new phenomenon that black people are looked down upon in most islamic cultures?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #23 - May 29, 2021, 08:42 AM
    the more interesting point is that many black people look down on themselves in non-majority black countries, ie anti-racism movements by black activists are fundamentally rooted in racist thought.

    my simple solution is to say there is no race and no religion. no black, no muslim. no problem!

  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #24 - May 29, 2021, 07:21 PM
    Quote from: crumble on May 29, 2021, 08:42 AM
    ..........................my simple solution is to say there is no race and no religion. no black, no muslim. no problem!..................



    Hmm.. there is a nugget from crumble..

    ..................My simple solution
     no race and no religion
     no black and no muslim.
    no problemooo!..................

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbY_aP-alkw

    "If the concept of God has any use,
    it is to make us larger,
    freer, and more loving.
     If God can't do that,
    it's time we got rid of him"
     ....James Baldwin(RIP).....

    that is   from a great guy    happened to be Black and American

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eisoxXmod4   


    that is worth watching   
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #25 - August 18, 2021, 06:24 AM
    Quote from: crumble on May 29, 2021, 08:42 AM
    the more interesting point is that many black people look down on themselves in non-majority black countries, ie anti-racism movements by black activists are fundamentally rooted in racist thought.



    Explain?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #26 - August 18, 2021, 07:59 AM
    those who demand equality necessarily believe in inequality.

    a beggar begs, not to become rich but to stay poor.
  • BLM and Black Ex-Muslims
     Reply #27 - June 24, 2022, 08:18 AM
    neo orientalism? new clothes for old racism.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/06/19/racialism-is-a-blight-on-the-left/
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