Al-Qur'an

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Re: Al-Qur'an
Reply #30 - October 27, 2008, 06:27 AM

Fool. It was purple. The only reason you think it was green was because the scribes and editors of your book made mistakes and changes throughout time, which is why God had to come back and explain that it was actually purple.

Though it has no bridge,
The cloud climbs up to heaven;
It does not seek the aid
Of Gautama's sutras.

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Re: Al-Qur'an
Reply #31 - October 27, 2008, 06:29 AM

Not only a heretic but a colour blind one as well. It was green.

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Re: Al-Qur'an
Reply #32 - October 27, 2008, 01:50 PM

Quote from: osmanthus on October 27, 2008, 06:29 AM
Not only a heretic but a colour blind one as well. It was green.

Maybe both of your difficulties regarding colour come down to the linguistic development and differentiation of the concepts of certain colours:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinguishing_blue_from_green_in_language

According to Brent Berlin and Paul Kay's 1969 study Basic Color Terms: Their Universality and Evolution, distinct terms for brown, purple, pink, orange and grey will not emerge in a language until the language has made a distinction between green and blue
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Reply #33 - October 27, 2008, 08:07 PM

I’ll settle this for you. It was BOTH purple AND green. And in fact after it drowned the Pharaoh, he resurrected as The Joker, clad in purple and green.

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Re: Al-Qur'an
Reply #34 - October 28, 2008, 09:36 AM

Quote from: Iggy on October 17, 2008, 07:13 AM
Questions: Why are hadeeths so credible and important to Muslims? Why do Muslims have so much faith in so called 'scholars'? Does the Quran mention hadeeth at all?

I just don't understand why hadeeths are almost as unquestionable as the Quran itself.

This is a very good question.

First of all, let's define Hadith.

They're simply a question of sayings, i.e. oral tradition,

Muslim scholars et al put together, what had come down through the oral tradition,

as best they could ascertain, what was the original sayings of Muhammed.

But it's rather like the order given in the trenches on the Western Front in WW1.

The Captain says to his Sergeant:

"Tell Headquarters - Send reinforcements, we're ready to advance"

The message is relayed faithfully down the line until it gets to HQ when the

signal is given to the General who is astonished to read:

"Send three and four pence, we're going for a dance"

There will be no white flag above our door
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Re: Al-Qur'an
Reply #35 - October 28, 2008, 03:35 PM

Quote from: skwiver on October 18, 2008, 01:38 AM
We've been struggling with this question too, why is one verse stuck in the "Surah" pile and another verse stuck in the "hadith" pile? Can anyone find me a link that discusses this? There seems to be a zillion talking about the relative validity of one hadith over another, but

Oh wow, my bad. I didn't see your post until just now. It's because some hadith were made up later, or their words are jumbled around due to some dudes memory or the poor retelling of it. So they (the early muslims) devised a system of 'chain of narrators' and criticising the men's memories, piety to base the strength of the validity of such claims. So it's like a game of telephone where you write everyone's name down and try to guess who has the bad memory and who's the liar. The Qur'an also has a 'chain of narrators', but not too many people know about this, and think the Qur'an is therefore much more concrete than the Hadith are, but it's not. Muhammad is supposedly to have specified which of his sayings were revelation, and everything else was taken as the Sunnah.

Hope that was clear.

I'm "reading" (procrastinating from reading) a book about the compilaton of the Qur'an, Variant Readings of the Qur'an: A Critical Study of Their Historic and Linguistic Origins. Pretty good book, 'cept it's written by a muslim (maybe a closet muslim after the research and writing it, it'd be hard to be a mu'min afterwards, atleast a zindeeq).

Cool blog, wish you had more info about yourself (it is your's right?) on it though, because I note others calling you "muslim atheist", which is cool. Welcome to the board, please share your story, 'cuz (most, not all, see King Tut) ex-muslims are cool.

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