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 Topic: Well, Obama did it.

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  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #120 - November 06, 2008, 01:35 PM

    Hello to all:  I haven't been here for a while as I was very busy, but I happened to see this thread and I must say it has made me angry.

    I suggest you read this link:

    http://10000.catholics4obama.com/node/2

    sorry I don't know how to send the links otherwise.

    To Diotima:

    I suggest you get better informed before you start ranting accusations.  To my knowledge, Obama has never claimed to be the Messiah or anything like that.  He is a brilliant politician that is trying to bring about fairer policies that will benefit those who need it most.   You remind me of people I have known with a holier- than-thou attitude.  What's wrong with having hope that someone (to the best of his ability) will try to undo the wrongs that have been made for decades?

    Did you see the faces of people when the results of the elections were known?  Their sheer happiness and hope made me cry and thank God for the historical moment I was witnessing.  When he delivered his excellent speech, I saw people willing to work and sacrifice to make a better future.  Why is it that whenever something good happens, there are plenty of people who want to disqualify and devalue that moment?  I will tell you this much:  if the Messiah were to come to earth again by any chance, he will be killed again by people like you, because he wouldn't fulfill their expectations.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #121 - November 06, 2008, 01:53 PM

    Re: Messiah coming over.

    Hello Turquoise,

    on a side issue, if some guy comes over and tell you he is the messiah son of god, and then start telling you and worse, tell your kids how to lead their lives according to him and to what god is telling him. Worse, your kids come and tell you he performed a miracle and cured a blind man. Wouldn't it be your job to destroy such a cult leader before he does the damage that we witnessed over and over through or recent and distant history?

    Re: People crying tears of joy over Obama's win

    Obama is above all a politician. Last time we had a charismatic angel eyed politician, Bill, he bamboozled the American people so damn hard and the worst part is they loved him for it. In fact, Bill was the best Republican president ever considering all the crap he managed to give away to corporations (republican) at the expense of the workers (democrat). It is within Dio's right to worry about and fear from Obama. It is my right to worry about and fear Obama. Just because you, turquoise, got to fulfill your drama quota last night and watched some cheeple ball their eyes out on TV does not reduce the amount of fear I have from Obama.

    Obama is on his way to appease some very unsavory people who want nothing more then peace so they can continue to destroy the minorities in their midst.

    I posted earlier that both candidates are crap, both are bad, and either of the candidate will be 100 times worse with the slavish devotion the cheeple are throwing at their feet. Worse, Obama's party control the houses for the next little while, so whatever damage he does will be amplified.

    Plz Turquoise, show some backbone and respect when facing your politician. Else he will ride you like the bitches that we permit ourselves to be.



    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #122 - November 06, 2008, 02:16 PM

    Well, some of you seem to be very cynical about life.  Maybe you have suffered a lot and I respect that, but lighten up a bit.  Smiley  there is still good in this world.

    Having said that, I am not a person who can be easily BSed, I am normally quite exceptical about things, but it is fair to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #123 - November 06, 2008, 02:22 PM

    There is cynical and there is realistic, it is realistic to expect a politician to lie and make promises in order to win, and realistic to recognise that once in, no real change will happen.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #124 - November 06, 2008, 02:24 PM

    I just checked FFI homepage. I guess Ali Sina is anti- Obama.
    Homepage is funny and cynical at the same time.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #125 - November 06, 2008, 02:44 PM

    Turquoise, there´s cynical, and there´s naive. If you assume, Obama is going to heal the world, you are more than naive.

    I never claimed HE calls himself a messiah - merely that some of his followers behave as if he WAS the annointed one (like you do, lol).  Roll Eyes

    As has been said - he´s a politician. Am willing to say "Wait and see", that´s all. "Hope" and "Change" in themselves don´t mean a thing - much like "progress". WHAT change, hope of WHAT, I want to know, and in CONCRETE terms, I heard very little, and expect to see even less.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #126 - November 06, 2008, 03:27 PM


    Diotima:

    I do not think it is within anyones' power to heal the world in its entirety, but it's possible to do some good nonetheless.

    Neither I think Obama is the Messiah, but I have heard his speeches and his plans to implement universal healthcare, tax cuts for those who struggle and, of course, end the war in Iraq.  I wonder if you have really listened to him at all  whistling2

    What I meant was that people can be blinded by their expectations, religion, education, etc  and fail to see any good that may be in front of them.

    I don't know what he will do, he is definitely better than McCain with his 'we have to come victorious from Iraq' song, what a danger!!.  I think Obama has genuine good intentions and I hope he has enough strength of character and judgement to do the right thing.  I am hopeful but not blinded.  Hope is good and being positive is good as well  Wink
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #127 - November 06, 2008, 04:35 PM

    I just checked FFI homepage. I guess Ali Sina is anti- Obama.


    Get out of here, really?

    He's a secret Muslim (gay) fascist

    No big surprise to hear coming from the wonderful rational humanist known as Ali Sina.

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #128 - November 06, 2008, 04:59 PM

    Turquoise,

    Don't worry too much about the reception you got from Baal and Dio, for some reason they both hate Obama and if anyone says even as much as he's the best of a bad lot', suddenly you automatically think he is the messiah. Whether it's all just a charade or not, anyone that can genuinely say they would have preffered McCain shouldn't be allowed anywhere near politics, and it makes me double glad Obama won, just a shame that his predecessor has left him such a mess.

    Welcome by the way Smiley



    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #129 - November 06, 2008, 05:09 PM

    Turquoise,

    Don't worry too much about the reception you got from Baal and Dio, for some reason they both hate Obama and if anyone says even as much as he's the best of a bad lot', suddenly you automatically think he is the messiah. Whether it's all just a charade or not, anyone that can genuinely say they would have preffered McCain shouldn't be allowed anywhere near politics, and it makes me double glad Obama won, just a shame that his predecessor has left him such a mess.

    Welcome by the way Smiley





    And, pray, where did I say I prefer McCain? Methinks I said expressly, that I didn´t think much of either of them? That you can´t stand criticism of your hero is painfully obvious, deny it all you want. This is even more patent in Turquoise´s posts. And it was Turquoise going all hysterical over my criticism of Obama, not the other way round.  Roll Eyes
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #130 - November 06, 2008, 05:16 PM

    Turquoise,

    Don't worry too much about the reception you got from Baal and Dio, for some reason they both hate Obama and if anyone says even as much as he's the best of a bad lot', suddenly you automatically think he is the messiah. Whether it's all just a charade or not, anyone that can genuinely say they would have preffered McCain shouldn't be allowed anywhere near politics, and it makes me double glad Obama won, just a shame that his predecessor has left him such a mess.

    Welcome by the way Smiley





    And, pray, where did I say I prefer McCain? Methinks I said expressly, that I didn´t think much of either of them? That you can´t stand criticism of your hero is painfully obvious, deny it all you want.



    'Anyone that can genuinely say that they would prefer...' Doesn't say 'Dio wanted McCain'. Who did you want to win anyway? And get off this hero-worship trip - do you honestly think I think of Obama as the Messiah from what I have written here? Point to the most arse licking bit, because I assure you there is none. I'll give you a tenner for each example of sycophancy Wink

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #131 - November 06, 2008, 05:19 PM

    . And it was Turquoise going all hysterical over my criticism of Obama, not the other way round.  Roll Eyes


    Agreed, considering turquoise launched into a tirade and said this to Dio:

    I will tell you this much:  if the Messiah were to come to earth again by any chance, he will be killed again by people like you, because he wouldn't fulfill their expectations.


    I'm rather suprised Dio didn't say more lol.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #132 - November 06, 2008, 06:21 PM

    I don't know what he will do, he is definitely better than McCain with his 'we have to come victorious from Iraq' song, what a danger!!.  I think Obama has genuine good intentions and I hope he has enough strength of character and judgement to do the right thing.  I am hopeful but not blinded.  Hope is good and being positive is good as well  Wink


    Re: good Intention

    Do you have any other expectations to come not-victorious from iraq? Is there any other song that you will accept?

    Also every President had genuine good intentions. The neo-cons have genuine good intentions, they honestly believe their way is good and will bring peace and prosperity. Last week One of the high-priests of neo-cons Alan Greenspan (retired) was questioned in congress and admitted that his view that entities are capable of governing and regulating themselves has failed him and he was at a loss to explain why, he said for 40yrs he saw tremendous evidence to the contrary of what happened in the last crisis.

    Entities being able to regulate themselves is a cornerstone of the free market. So we had policy maker after policy maker with good intentions over the decades preaching for self-regulation thinking they are doing good.

    I do not care much for their good intentions as much as I am more interested on what are their intentions. Promising universal healthcare is nice, but it is on its way to happen anyways, 1% of americans are going for mdical bankruptcy every year even though per capita americans are paying 9500$ which is the highest rate in the world.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #133 - November 06, 2008, 06:26 PM

    And your point is? I looked hard and it all just seems like so much rambling to me. Who would you have voted for Baal?

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #134 - November 06, 2008, 06:54 PM

    And your point is? I looked hard and it all just seems like so much rambling to me. Who would you have voted for Baal?


    The less Muslim candidate, in this particular case it was a no-brainer for baal

    1. Secret Muslim who will never accept the "strategy"

    2. Confirmed non-muslim who may eventually be convinced to drop the bomb

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #135 - November 06, 2008, 07:10 PM

    One of the high-priests of neo-cons Alan Greenspan (retired) was questioned in congress and admitted that his view that entities are capable of governing and regulating themselves has failed him and he was at a loss to explain why, he said for 40yrs he saw tremendous evidence to the contrary of what happened in the last crisis.

    Entities being able to regulate themselves is a cornerstone of the free market. So we had policy maker after policy maker with good intentions over the decades preaching for self-regulation thinking they are doing good.



    Alan Greenspan hardly practiced what he preached on self-regulation as his chairmanship of the Federal Reserve was pretty much devoted to distorting market outcomes by dictating the interest rates and money supply.  Nor did Greenspan voice any free-market dogmatic opposition to the Clinton administration putting pressure on Fannie Mae to expand mortgage loans to low and middle income families.  Greenspan may have originally believed in free-markets but his time at the helm did not reflect that belief - possibly a case of power corrupting.

    Regards,
    Gonzo

    "The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles" - Ayn Rand
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #136 - November 06, 2008, 08:48 PM

    And your point is? I looked hard and it all just seems like so much rambling to me. Who would you have voted for Baal?


    The less Muslim candidate, in this particular case it was a no-brainer for baal

    1. Secret Muslim who will never accept the "strategy"

    2. Confirmed non-muslim who may eventually be convinced to drop the bomb


    WTF. Obama is not a Muslim. Why are you people so paranoid about that?

    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #137 - November 06, 2008, 08:50 PM

    WTF. Obama is not a Muslim. Why are you people so paranoid about that?


    Yeah, it's funny innit. Maybe they still believe there are WMD's too?

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #138 - November 06, 2008, 08:55 PM

    Turquoise,

    Don't worry too much about the reception you got from Baal and Dio, for some reason they both hate Obama and if anyone says even as much as he's the best of a bad lot', suddenly you automatically think he is the messiah. Whether it's all just a charade or not, anyone that can genuinely say they would have preffered McCain shouldn't be allowed anywhere near politics, and it makes me double glad Obama won, just a shame that his predecessor has left him such a mess.

    Welcome by the way Smiley






    Thank you  Smiley

    Quote
    And, pray, where did I say I prefer McCain? Methinks I said expressly, that I didn´t think much of either of them? That you can´t stand criticism of your hero is painfully obvious, deny it all you want. This is even more patent in Turquoise´s posts. And it was Turquoise going all hysterical over my criticism of Obama, not the other way round.  Roll Eyes



    I am not hysterical in the least, though I must admit I dislike your comments.  Why? because I can see you don't have much knowledge of the subject, example: the abortion issue, saying that he never mentioned his mother and granmother, that is just a lie.  I just cannot stand injustice.

    . And it was Turquoise going all hysterical over my criticism of Obama, not the other way round.  Roll Eyes


    Agreed, considering turquoise launched into a tirade and said this to Dio:

    I will tell you this much:  if the Messiah were to come to earth again by any chance, he will be killed again by people like you, because he wouldn't fulfill their expectations.


    I'm rather suprised Dio didn't say more lol.




    Dio could be a very well liked forumer, but that does not mean she is perfect.  The false information she has been giving is what I found distasteful.  I was born a catholic and I have found enough bigots in my life to think that she might be one of them.  My apologies if I am wrong.  I think everyone has the right to express their opinion.   Obama is not my hero but he is a person who has given me some optimism for a change.  I am tired of bullies coming from that country.

    I don't know what he will do, he is definitely better than McCain with his 'we have to come victorious from Iraq' song, what a danger!!.  I think Obama has genuine good intentions and I hope he has enough strength of character and judgement to do the right thing.  I am hopeful but not blinded.  Hope is good and being positive is good as well  Wink


    Re: good Intention

    Do you have any other expectations to come not-victorious from iraq? Is there any other song that you will accept?


    Yes, I believe that war is unwinable, just like Vietnam was.  The longer the Americans are there the more excuses the extremists will have to bomb their way around killing innocent victims.  I think that the American troops withdrawal will take away their excuses of an outside enemy and perhaps they will come to realize the internal problems that they have.

    I could write more but I am tired.  Good night all  Smiley



  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #139 - November 06, 2008, 09:31 PM

    Quote from: Iggy
    WTF. Obama is not a Muslim. Why are you people so paranoid about that?

    Nobody here thinks that Obama is a crypto-Muslim, in my opinion. Don't shoot at the strawman AW is waving in front of you. BCM is full of such absurd fantasies. One of his favourites is that insidious, global conspiracy working for the wholescale genocide of Muslims... victim mentality at its best. Of course, Illuminati governs our planet, too.

    As for the new president, I'm not going to start liking Obama just because some repugnant conservatives oppose him. We'll just have to wait and see how things unfold.

    Quote from: Turquoise
    I was born a catholic and I have found enough bigots in my life to think that she might be one of them.

    Assuming that anyone who disagrees with you must be an evil bigot is also bigotry.

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #140 - November 06, 2008, 09:53 PM

    BCM is full of such absurd fantasies. One of his favourites is that insidious, global conspiracy working for the wholescale genocide of Muslims... victim mentality at its best. Of course, Illuminati governs our planet, too.

    Who is BCM?

    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #141 - November 06, 2008, 10:00 PM

    Who is BCM?

    BCM = AW.

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #142 - November 06, 2008, 10:02 PM


    awais.x ? What does it stand for?

    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #143 - November 06, 2008, 10:09 PM

    BCM stands for BloodCrazedMuslim, the FFI nickname of AW, which stands for Arab-Wannabe. He has always been a walking strawman factory, always accusing people critical of Islam of having ulterior motives, playing the victim card, etc. A pretty dull and ancient method of defending Islam, really.

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #144 - November 06, 2008, 10:14 PM

    BCM stands for BloodCrazedMuslim, the FFI nickname of AW, which stands for Arab-Wannabe. He has always been a walking strawman factory, always accusing people critical of Islam of having ulterior motives, playing the victim card, etc. A pretty dull and ancient method of defending Islam, really.

    Makes much more sense now. Baal has repeatedly said Obama was a Muslim. I think he was pretty serious too.

    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #145 - November 06, 2008, 10:27 PM

    Ball is always serious. grin12

    In any case technically Obama was a Muslim, simply because technically his father was a Muslim.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #146 - November 06, 2008, 11:28 PM

    BCM stands for BloodCrazedMuslim, the FFI nickname of AW, which stands for Arab-Wannabe. He has always been a walking strawman factory, always accusing people critical of Islam of having ulterior motives, playing the victim card, etc. A pretty dull and ancient method of defending Islam, really.

    Makes much more sense now. Baal has repeatedly said Obama was a Muslim. I think he was pretty serious too.

    I have missed that part, apparently.

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #147 - November 07, 2008, 03:50 AM

    Quote from: Iggy
    WTF. Obama is not a Muslim. Why are you people so paranoid about that?

    Nobody here thinks that Obama is a crypto-Muslim, in my opinion.


    I just made it all up, baal and ansar didnt think that for a second.

    In fact, the whole Muslim smear never happened, its all in my head you unbelievable twerp.

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #148 - November 07, 2008, 03:55 AM

    Quote from: Iggy
    WTF. Obama is not a Muslim. Why are you people so paranoid about that?

    Nobody here thinks that Obama is a crypto-Muslim, in my opinion. Don't shoot at the strawman AW is waving in front of you. BCM is full of such absurd fantasies. One of his favourites is that insidious, global conspiracy working for the wholescale genocide of Muslims... victim mentality at its best. Of course, Illuminati governs our planet, too.


    Wow, im very interested to learn more. Could you provide some evidence that I have talked about a global conspiracy "working for the wholescale genocide of Muslims?"

    Just one piece of evidence will do

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #149 - November 07, 2008, 04:05 AM

    BCM stands for BloodCrazedMuslim, the FFI nickname of AW, which stands for Arab-Wannabe. He has always been a walking strawman factory, always accusing people critical of Islam of having ulterior motives, playing the victim card, etc. A pretty dull and ancient method of defending Islam, really.


    Actually that is your strawman, since ive repeatedly said that I dont have a problem with people who criticize Islam.

    What I have a problem with is anti-muslim hatred, you know the stuff Sina and Co. constantly talk about.

    Off you go now.

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
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