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  • Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     OP - November 08, 2008, 01:43 AM
    Who is a Muslim?
    Who is an ex-Muslim? And why?
    I seek clarification!
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #1 - November 08, 2008, 01:59 AM
    a muslim is one who follows Islam, who ascribes himself as a muslim
    an ex-muslim is someone who used to.
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #2 - November 08, 2008, 09:36 AM
    Thank you. But then why do ex-Muslims staunchly defend Islamic tenets?
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #3 - November 08, 2008, 10:17 AM
    Quote from: elle on November 08, 2008, 09:36 AM
    Thank you. But then why do ex-Muslims staunchly defend Islamic tenets?


    They don't.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #4 - November 08, 2008, 10:25 AM
    Jack, that is contrary to my experience so far.
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #5 - November 08, 2008, 10:27 AM
    Quote from: elle on November 08, 2008, 10:25 AM
    Jack, that is contrary to my experience so far.



    On here? In general? Gissa an example Afro
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #6 - November 08, 2008, 10:40 AM
    A site like this should encourage and nurture not criticise and denigrate unless it is attacking the aims of the Council of ex-Muslims.
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #7 - November 08, 2008, 10:49 AM
    Quote from: elle on November 08, 2008, 10:40 AM
    A site like this should encourage and nurture not criticise and denigrate unless it is attacking the aims of the Council of ex-Muslims.



    Yeah, and?
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #8 - November 08, 2008, 10:54 AM
    I prefer not to go into specifics, but I cannot say that I have been really welcomed here seeing how severely I have been criticised. But I see that slowly a few of my statements have been accepted, i.e. on the meaning of Islam.
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #9 - November 08, 2008, 11:06 AM
    Quote from: elle on November 08, 2008, 10:54 AM
    I prefer not to go into specifics, but I cannot say that I have been really welcomed here seeing how severely I have been criticised. But I see that slowly a few of my statements have been accepted, i.e. on the meaning of Islam.


    We just don't like anyone trying to teach about Islam,when they themself don't know much about it, or what they do know about it comes from fox news or something, we are credible folks here (most of us are anyway) and we have experienced racism and hetreated directed at Muslims under the pretext of attacking Islam, and we will not have it.

    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #10 - November 08, 2008, 11:12 AM
    Quote from: King Tut on November 08, 2008, 11:06 AM

    We just don't like anyone trying to teach about Islam,when they themself don't know much about it, or what they do know about it comes from fox news or something, we are credible folks here (most of us are anyway) and we have experienced racism and hetreated directed at Muslims under the pretext of attacking Islam, and we will not have it.




    That's it in a nutshell.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #11 - November 08, 2008, 12:41 PM
    This is a negative attitude and must change.
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #12 - November 08, 2008, 12:54 PM
    Quote from: elle on November 08, 2008, 12:41 PM
    This is a negative attitude and must change.


    I think the problem was that you came across as a self-claimed expert on Islam attempting to preach to the converted.  My disagreement wasn't with your opinions or attitudes towards Islam - many of which I share, but with the factual errors you presented.  When writing an article criticizing Islam it is essential to ensure your facts are correct, or it will be more likely to be dismissed.  Others have asked you to merely chill out not because you came across as angry but bullheaded.

    Regards,
    Gonzo 
    "The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles" - Ayn Rand
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #13 - November 08, 2008, 12:58 PM
    ^What he said.
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #14 - November 08, 2008, 01:24 PM
    Quote from: awais.x on November 08, 2008, 12:58 PM
    ^What he said.


    Yep Afro
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #15 - November 08, 2008, 01:33 PM
    I think Gonzo means that this isn't a chinashop Elle.
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #16 - November 08, 2008, 03:02 PM
    Quote from: elle on November 08, 2008, 10:40 AM
    A site like this should encourage and nurture not criticise and denigrate unless it is attacking the aims of the Council of ex-Muslims.


    Agreed.  But unfactual claims do attack the aims of the council, since anything linked with our movement can be dismissed by a doubting muslim as wrong, unless all the facts are straight.

    The best way to help is to be completely honest with the facts even if they don't match your inner ideas on a subject.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #17 - November 08, 2008, 05:49 PM
    Sometimes it would appear to be like trying to bash one's own head against a brick wall. But then, the Berlin Wall finally came down didn't it?
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #18 - November 08, 2008, 06:40 PM
    Quote from: elle on November 08, 2008, 05:49 PM
    Sometimes it would appear to be like trying to bash one's own head against a brick wall. But then, the Berlin Wall finally came down didn't it?



    Who exactly is your target audience for your thoughts on this subject and what motivates you?
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #19 - November 08, 2008, 07:22 PM
    Quote from: elle on November 08, 2008, 05:49 PM
    Sometimes it would appear to be like trying to bash one's own head against a brick wall. But then, the Berlin Wall finally came down didn't it?

    Ah, good. You seem to be settling in now.
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #20 - November 08, 2008, 09:10 PM
    sojournerlumus, I am exactly the same guy when I subscribed here. You have just begun to accept a Newbie having tested him out and run him through the mill. Have I passed your initiation rites then?
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #21 - November 08, 2008, 09:15 PM
    It isn't a question of initiation rites. It's a question of factual content, or at least of perceptions of factual content. You made several statements which were disputed. On an international discussion board this is likely to happen. It isn't, or shouldn't be, regarded as a particularly big deal.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #22 - November 08, 2008, 09:56 PM
    Quote from: elle on November 08, 2008, 09:10 PM
    sojournerlumus, I am exactly the same guy when I subscribed here. You have just begun to accept a Newbie having tested him out and run him through the mill. Have I passed your initiation rites then?


    Are you really serious or just pulling our leg? we can't care aobut "initation" we don't have "rituals" here, we just ask you to be (preferably) a communist! see the councils manifesto. By the way even though I am not a communist, I still believe the council of ex Muslims benefits me hence why I hang around here and would even donate. But as a Capitalist I don't do "donations" the only donations I do is when I am getting kick-backs.
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #23 - November 08, 2008, 10:02 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on November 08, 2008, 09:56 PM
    Quote from: elle on November 08, 2008, 09:10 PM
    sojournerlumus, I am exactly the same guy when I subscribed here. You have just begun to accept a Newbie having tested him out and run him through the mill. Have I passed your initiation rites then?


    Are you really serious or just pulling our leg? we can't care aobut "initation" we don't have "rituals" here, we just ask you to be (preferably) a communist! see the councils manifesto. By the way even though I am not a communist, I still believe the council of ex Muslims benefits me hence why I hang around here and would even donate. But as a Capitalist I don't do "donations" the only donations I do is when I am getting kick-backs.


    God you don't half chat a load of bollocks.  Roll Eyes
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #24 - November 08, 2008, 10:13 PM
    Stop trying to hide the communist undertone for the council of ex Muslims! how stupid do you have to be to not see it? the "manifesto"
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #25 - November 08, 2008, 10:19 PM
    Google is your friend, Tut.  bunny
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #26 - November 09, 2008, 02:06 AM
     popcorn


    ...I don't see the point in this. Can somebody clarify?

    Just because one is an ex-Muslim, it doesn't mean one will unneccessarily and blindly accept random bits of information with no basis.
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #27 - November 09, 2008, 02:06 AM
    I must also add that just because you are preaching to the choir, it doesn't mean the choir is going to sing along to any ole' tune.  Wink
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #28 - November 09, 2008, 08:30 AM
    Quote from: heartbomb on November 09, 2008, 02:06 AM
    I must also add that just because you are preaching to the choir, it doesn't mean the choir is going to sing along to any ole' tune.  Wink


    Sing it sister  Narcissist
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Define a Muslim, and a Ex-Muslim, and explain why it is so
     Reply #29 - November 09, 2008, 09:56 AM
    Ah the incompatibility of evil argument.

    this is a really old argument which comes from Epicurus and the time when the Greeks used to be philosophers. If god is omnibenevolent - and he has given us free-will. And created evil for humans as character building. Then how does one explain unnecessary evil. Such as an animal dying in a forest fire. Or a child dying of chronic diarrhea. What are we supposed to learn from this? Or for example, when a tiger or lion hunts and kills is pray humans are not even around the pray has to suffer, how is that teaching us something.

    Moreover, there are also other arguments; such as the infinite regression argument. You can try this at home, get two very flat mirrors facing each other, and this will create an infinite regression of them reflection from one mirror to the other. So how does one explain gods existence? infinite is always 1, plus 1, plus 1. So if god created the universe, who created god and so on...
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
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