Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!

12 Next page « Previous thread | Next thread »
- cosmicdancer
- Pub Regular
- offline
Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
OP - November 24, 2008, 06:00 PM

Just been browsing some youtube videos and I really hate all the "Ex-Muslim/Terrorist/Jihadi speaks out... finds Christ... blah blah..."

One of the most ignorant and bigoted perception of Muslims is that they are all terrorists.

The far-right/Neocon/Christian fundie interest in Ex-Muslims is simply so they can confirm their prejudices and promote their own agenda. (They actually don't give a shit about real Ex-Muslims themselves - unless they conform to this stereotype)

A "Good" ex-Muslim is one who confess all his past sins spills the beans on how Islam is a Terrorist religion and Muslims are all so barbaric.
- Aziz
- Afairyist
- Ex-Muslim
- Big Al is watching you!
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #1 - November 24, 2008, 06:09 PM

I can't stand those stupid testimonials, so I agree with you, Hassan. Isn't this William Shoebat (or whatever his name is) the most prominent of these ex-Terrorist-Muslims?

German ex-Muslim forum — My YouTube — List of Ex-Muslims —
Wikis: en – de – fr – ar – tr
CEMB-Chat
I'm on an indefinite break...
- speaklow
- Member
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #2 - November 24, 2008, 06:17 PM

I don't like them either.

I doubt they really get much attention anyway.
- osmanthus
- Cave dwelling
- Pub Regular
- Fingerer of piglets
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #3 - November 24, 2008, 07:10 PM

Terrorists = teh stoopid.

Far-right/Neocon/Christian fundies = teh stoopid.

It's a match made in heaven.

Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West.
- BerberElla
- Class A'sexual
- Creator Goddess
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #4 - November 24, 2008, 07:47 PM

So you don't think that any of them could infact be genuine?

I;m just saying, disregarding the whole neocon BS, can a terrorist change it's spots?

Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
- osmanthus
- Cave dwelling
- Pub Regular
- Fingerer of piglets
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #5 - November 24, 2008, 08:03 PM

Oh sure some of them could be genuine. I mean that Hamas dude who went and found Jesus seems honest enough even if I think he should have found sense instead, but Hass gets pissed of with anything that plays to fundie stereotypes.

Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West.
- cosmicdancer
- Pub Regular
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #6 - November 24, 2008, 08:26 PM

Quote from: BerberElla on November 24, 2008, 07:47 PM
So you don't think that any of them could infact be genuine?

I;m just saying, disregarding the whole neocon BS, can a terrorist change it's spots?

Sure they could be genuine - but like Oz said, I hate the way this stereotype is touted as though this is the reality of the majority of Ex-Muslims. As if we were all terrorists - but have now returned to humanity and given up killing babies.

The truth is far more mundane - just ordinary non-terrorists, mostly moderate Muslims with moderate loving families, leave Islam because they realise it's bollocks - end of story.

No inside story of blowing-up innocent people - no kiss and tell of how Muslims are planning to cut off everyone's heads - and definitely not many in my experience who discover Jesus.
- osmanthus
- Cave dwelling
- Pub Regular
- Fingerer of piglets
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #7 - November 24, 2008, 08:30 PM

Quote from: Hassan on November 24, 2008, 08:26 PM
Sure they could be genuine - but like Oz said, I hate the way this stereotype is touted as though this is the reality of the majority of Ex-Muslims. As if we were all terrorists - but have now returned to humanity and given up killing babies.

That's ridiculous. There's no need to give up killing babies just because you leave Islam. Apostasy is supposed to be liberating dammit.

Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West.
- speaklow
- Member
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #8 - November 24, 2008, 08:32 PM

Quote from: BerberElla on November 24, 2008, 07:47 PM
So you don't think that any of them could infact be genuine?

I;m just saying, disregarding the whole neocon BS, can a terrorist change it's spots?

Recommendation for forum rules.

I think the phrase 'I'm just saying' should be barred.
- BerberElla
- Class A'sexual
- Creator Goddess
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #9 - November 24, 2008, 08:38 PM

Quote from: Hassan on November 24, 2008, 08:26 PM
Quote from: BerberElla on November 24, 2008, 07:47 PM
So you don't think that any of them could infact be genuine?

I;m just saying, disregarding the whole neocon BS, can a terrorist change it's spots?

Sure they could be genuine - but like Oz said, I hate the way this stereotype is touted as though this is the reality of the majority of Ex-Muslims. As if we were all terrorists - but have now returned to humanity and given up killing babies.

The truth is far more mundane - just ordinary non-terrorists, mostly moderate Muslims with moderate loving families, leave Islam because they realise it's bollocks - end of story.

No inside story of blowing-up innocent people - no kiss and tell of how Muslims are planning to cut off everyone's heads - and definitely not many in my experience who discover Jesus.

Well strong headlines sell papers etc etc, people don't want to know about regular joe turned irregular, they want the extreme unfortunately and an ex terrorist is more exciting than an ex muslim.

I'm just saying.

Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
- cosmicdancer
- Pub Regular
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #10 - November 24, 2008, 08:40 PM

Quote from: BerberElla on November 24, 2008, 07:47 PM
can a terrorist change it's spots?

I do think people can change, Berbs, but to be honest I'm not sure people really change that much in reality.

I'd like to think they do, but from my (admittedly limited) observations of humans I haven't seen that people really change that much.

Sure they can change their politics, religion, etc... but a deep down? Hmmm... I think a nice guy rarely becomes a complete cunt 20 years later and a complete cunt rarely becomes a wonderful guy 20 years later. Other things about them may change - but their fundamental character I don't think really changes that much.
- Manat
- Great googa mooga!
- Ex-Muslim
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #11 - November 24, 2008, 10:19 PM

Quote from: Hassan on November 24, 2008, 06:00 PM
Just been browsing some youtube videos and I really hate all the "Ex-Muslim/Terrorist/Jihadi speaks out... finds Christ... blah blah..."

One of the most ignorant and bigoted perception of Muslims is that they are all terrorists.

The far-right/Neocon/Christian fundie interest in Ex-Muslims is simply so they can confirm their prejudices and promote their own agenda. (They actually don't give a shit about real Ex-Muslims themselves - unless they conform to this stereotype)

A "Good" ex-Muslim is one who confess all his past sins spills the beans on how Islam is a Terrorist religion and Muslims are all so barbaric.

I dislike them because they are Christian propaganda. So far, from all of the apostates I have encountered online or read about, most of us end up with atheism and agnosticism, rather than going to Christianity.

Also, they always say 'He was a terrorist!' Well, then what the hell is he doing in the USA? He carried out terrorist actions and then the US turned around and gave him citizenship? I don't buy it. If anything, these people may have been raised in a neighborhood or by parents who were PLO or something. Also, I notice some of them already have Arab Christian names, so I don't believe it at all anyway.

[this space for rent]
- Cool Canadian
- Ex-Muslim
- Don't mess with raccoon Mario
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #12 - November 25, 2008, 01:02 AM

Quote from: fading on November 24, 2008, 10:19 PM
Quote from: Hassan on November 24, 2008, 06:00 PM
Just been browsing some youtube videos and I really hate all the "Ex-Muslim/Terrorist/Jihadi speaks out... finds Christ... blah blah..."

One of the most ignorant and bigoted perception of Muslims is that they are all terrorists.

The far-right/Neocon/Christian fundie interest in Ex-Muslims is simply so they can confirm their prejudices and promote their own agenda. (They actually don't give a shit about real Ex-Muslims themselves - unless they conform to this stereotype)

A "Good" ex-Muslim is one who confess all his past sins spills the beans on how Islam is a Terrorist religion and Muslims are all so barbaric.

I dislike them because they are Christian propaganda. So far, from all of the apostates I have encountered online or read about, most of us end up with atheism and agnosticism, rather than going to Christianity.

Also, they always say 'He was a terrorist!' Well, then what the hell is he doing in the USA? He carried out terrorist actions and then the US turned around and gave him citizenship? I don't buy it. If anything, these people may have been raised in a neighborhood or by parents who were PLO or something. Also, I notice some of them already have Arab Christian names, so I don't believe it at all anyway.

Agreed. I also think they were never terrorists in the first place. I think it was all fixed and planned lol. But yea i'm getting sick and fucking tired of all these Coming to Christ video's.

"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
~Sir Richard Francis Burton

"I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
~RIBS
- panoptic
- Ex-Muslim
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #13 - November 25, 2008, 04:49 AM

If they are seeking publicity (and look a bit 'sedentary', at that...) that's good reason to take them with a pinch of salt. Genuine former-terrorists are probably working with the state, or else rather quiet, if anything.

"...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
- henrypage
- Ex-Muslim
- I am so happy to have found CEMB
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #14 - November 29, 2008, 10:50 AM

I agree Hassan. Certainly the Abrahamic religions seem to have been designed to score points from one another. The very idea that all Muslims are terrorists is ridiculous. What concerns me though, about Islam, is that many Muslims use Islam as a way of focusing their political discontent with world order. It is this groundswell of opinion from Muslims that allows opponents of Muslim culture to make their absurd claim. It is no better than racism, nothing more, nothing less.

"If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it" From a letter Einstein wrote in English, dated 24 March 1954.
- sojournerlumus
- Pub Regular
- Belief beggars reason.
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #15 - November 29, 2008, 11:38 AM

Is 'culturalism' the same as racism, Henry? I think that once a people give up their own culture and adopt another, they are seen in an entirely different light.

Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
- henrypage
- Ex-Muslim
- I am so happy to have found CEMB
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #16 - November 29, 2008, 12:17 PM

sojournerlumus

"Is 'culturalism' the same as racism, Henry? I think that once a people give up their own culture and adopt another, they are seen in an entirely different light."

You could view many of the 'ism's' in the same way (strange how the Arabic in 'ism' leaps out at you) but you cannot say that racism and 'culturalism' are the same because they are different in that race can never be changed, rather like sexuality (sorry King Tut) but you can shift emphasis in your culture. It is conceivable that you could migrate from one culture to another, but impossible to change your genetic inheritance. You could argue that racism and 'culturalism' are similar, but it is difficult and fraught with complexities because cultures change in themselves.

To give an example, I hate the Nazi culture. Am I being a 'culturalist'? I like the Berber culture, but what does that imply? As you are well aware, definitions are important and the only examples that I have been able to find so far are:

Culturism (cŭl-ch́әr-ĭź-әm) n. 1. The philosophy, art and science that values, manages and protects majority cultures. 2. A philosophy which holds that defining, protecting and promoting majority cultures should be legitimate policy considerations. 3. The study of culturism.

Culturist (cŭl-ch́әr-ĭst) n. 1. An advocate of culturism. 2. One who engages in the art or science of managing and protecting majority cultures. 3. Of or pertaining to culturism, culturists or culturist policy. - adj. (1)

The ability to define what 'culturalism' means is taxing most of those in the etymological field because it gets dragged into its near neighbour, 'multiculturalism':

Others perceived a lack of a consistent definition of multiculturalism and felt that culture was being made synonymous with race. (2)

And others rationalise their thoughts to express this definition of 'culturalism':

Here?s my definition of culturalism: the belief that all cultures are NOT equal. Some cultures are clearly inferior to others?deal with it. (3)

The jury seems to be out on this one, but I do understand why you make this point.

(1) http://www.culturism.us/FinalCultGalley.htm
(2) http://www.answers.com/topic/multiculturalism
(3) http://robertopia.blogspot.com/2005/09/culturalism-not-racism.html

"If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it" From a letter Einstein wrote in English, dated 24 March 1954.
- Baal
- Arab Slave Overlord
- Pub Regular
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #17 - November 30, 2008, 01:40 AM

The term ex-muslim terrorist is funny actually. Does it mean an ex-"Muslim Terrorist"? As in today perhaps he is just a "muslim" not a "muslims terrorist". Or does it mean he is an "ex-muslim" terrorist, which would be very sinister indeed as it would denote, someone who is no longer a muslim but *is* a terrorist today.

"Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
- Variable
- Member
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #18 - November 30, 2008, 08:32 AM

Quote from: henrypage on November 29, 2008, 12:17 PM
sojournerlumus

"Is 'culturalism' the same as racism, Henry? I think that once a people give up their own culture and adopt another, they are seen in an entirely different light."

You could view many of the 'ism's' in the same way (strange how the Arabic in 'ism' leaps out at you) but you cannot say that racism and 'culturalism' are the same because they are different in that race can never be changed, rather like sexuality (sorry King Tut) but you can shift emphasis in your culture. It is conceivable that you could migrate from one culture to another, but impossible to change your genetic inheritance. You could argue that racism and 'culturalism' are similar, but it is difficult and fraught with complexities because cultures change in themselves.

To give an example, I hate the Nazi culture. Am I being a 'culturalist'? I like the Berber culture, but what does that imply? As you are well aware, definitions are important and the only examples that I have been able to find so far are:

Culturism (cŭl-ch́әr-ĭź-әm) n. 1. The philosophy, art and science that values, manages and protects majority cultures. 2. A philosophy which holds that defining, protecting and promoting majority cultures should be legitimate policy considerations. 3. The study of culturism.

Culturist (cŭl-ch́әr-ĭst) n. 1. An advocate of culturism. 2. One who engages in the art or science of managing and protecting majority cultures. 3. Of or pertaining to culturism, culturists or culturist policy. - adj. (1)

The ability to define what 'culturalism' means is taxing most of those in the etymological field because it gets dragged into its near neighbour, 'multiculturalism':

Others perceived a lack of a consistent definition of multiculturalism and felt that culture was being made synonymous with race. (2)

And others rationalise their thoughts to express this definition of 'culturalism':

Here?s my definition of culturalism: the belief that all cultures are NOT equal. Some cultures are clearly inferior to others?deal with it. (3)

The jury seems to be out on this one, but I do understand why you make this point.

(1) http://www.culturism.us/FinalCultGalley.htm
(2) http://www.answers.com/topic/multiculturalism
(3) http://robertopia.blogspot.com/2005/09/culturalism-not-racism.html

Thing is, often times 'culturalism' is a thinly veiled excuse for racism.... some people try and slip it past like that. (past even their own consciences sometimes)
- sojournerlumus
- Pub Regular
- Belief beggars reason.
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #19 - November 30, 2008, 02:50 PM

It does seem to me that the increased mobility of the different 'races' around the globe, with the gravitational axis being towards the places with the greater availability of goods and services, is set to make the term 'race' redundant.
I say this because, given the facts that race in itself seems to be a result of factors like geographical isolation in relation to factors like climatic selective forces and familial similarities, men will be men and women will be women.
Put the two together and you get enough of a sufficient counter-cultural force to offset any actual racial physical isolation.
Perhaps we have enough technological evolution in common now to outweigh the tendency for certain naturally occuring selective factors to be dominant in our continuing racial evolution.
If you can cut through my verbosity today, what's your take on that?

Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
- brucepig
- Member
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #20 - December 04, 2008, 08:33 AM

I saw some videos on youtube with Walid Shoebat, ex Hamas terrorist who has converted to Christianity.

Some of the stuff he talks about sound pretty realistic until I found a video of him doing a speech to fundamentalist Christians about how the violence of the jihadis is a fulfillment of Biblical prophesy.

JEEEBUS IS A COMMIN BACK,,, PRAIZE DA LORD!

After seeing that I think the man is a lunatic. He has swapped one form of craziness for another.
- awais
- Ex-Muslim
- mulhid taqwa
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #21 - December 04, 2008, 10:22 AM

Quote from: brucepig on December 04, 2008, 08:33 AM
After seeing that I think the man is a lunatic. He has swapped one form of craziness for another.

Yup.

I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
- TomTom
- Member
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #22 - December 04, 2008, 01:37 PM

Not sure where this topic is going! Or what the problem is that Hassan is trying to explain?

It is true that Islam does not lead all followers to violence! For some it does and for some (most) it does not.

For those that have gone to violence (terror) it is perfectly OK, to come out and say Islam brought me to violence and now I have changed my point of view.

Surely even without Walid Shoebat we have enough faithful Muslims trying to prove to the rest of the world that Islam means violence.

My experience in many face to face debates with the Islamic faithful is that there is denial that this violent path exists.

Following the murder mystery weekend at the Taj hotel in Mumbai, I had a 4 hour debate with some very faithful Muslims.

My point was that Islam does not lead everyone to violence as the faithful people I was talking to are not violent. Their point was that these people in action in Mumbai are not Islamic. I asked them if you said this to the face of one of the gunman 'you are not a Muslim' what would they do?" the answer came "they would shoot me".

Hassan, we need an open debate! As long as Walid Shoebat does not start waving an AK47 again, maybe the best thing he did was join another loony club.
- awais
- Ex-Muslim
- mulhid taqwa
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #23 - December 04, 2008, 02:32 PM

Quote from: TomTom on December 04, 2008, 01:37 PM
As long as Walid Shoebat does not start waving an AK47 again, maybe the best thing he did was join another loony club.

What's the difference? Now he just advocates others to do it for a different faith to rule the world.

I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
- TomTom
- Member
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #24 - December 04, 2008, 02:47 PM

The difference is that AK47's fire bullets and he is now only talking rubbish!
- awais
- Ex-Muslim
- mulhid taqwa
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #25 - December 04, 2008, 03:04 PM

I doubt he ever was a terrorist.

You don't think inspiring christian soldiers to march to war against 'evil' isn't dangerous, being how entrenched it (evangelicalism) is in the US Army?

I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
- Calm
- Pub Regular
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #26 - December 04, 2008, 03:11 PM

Quote from: awais on December 04, 2008, 03:04 PM
I doubt he ever was a terrorist.

You don't think inspiring christian soldiers to march to war against 'evil' isn't dangerous, being how entrenched it (evangelicalism) is in the US Army?

I was just going through FSTDT. There are some fundie Christians who believe Muslims worship Satan. Islam is the most dangerous thing. And Iraq war is justified. Either ways, fundamentalism is bad.
- sparky
- Pub Regular
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #27 - December 04, 2008, 03:14 PM

Quote from: awais on December 04, 2008, 03:04 PM
I doubt he ever was a terrorist.

You don't think inspiring christian soldiers to march to war against 'evil' isn't dangerous, being how entrenched it (evangelicalism) is in the US Army?

Oh, please!! Wild and wacky he may be but frankly comparing the actions of the US Army to terrorism is pretty wild and wacky in my book. (In fact its the 'being an evangelical, which inspires Christian soldiers, which is the US Army, which does evil things - is the same as being a terrorist).

Good grief.
- TomTom
- Member
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #28 - December 04, 2008, 03:19 PM

Quote from: awais on December 04, 2008, 03:04 PM
I doubt he ever was a terrorist.

That is a different issue. We have the right to dispute the facts.

Linked to the 1st post any other terrorist convert to talking rubbish should be welcome to post away on Youtube.

Quote from: awais on December 04, 2008, 03:04 PM
You don't think inspiring christian soldiers to march to war against 'evil' isn't dangerous, being how entrenched it (evangelicalism) is in the US Army?

It is not clear if the US army is promoting Christianity or fighting on behalf of Jesus!

Reading the official constitution of the new Iraqi government, they have created the foundation for a new Islamic state, with Sharia law!

The war is wrong and the Americans know they messed up big time. Let's hope Obama manages to correct some errors.

Sadly the bunch of faithful Muslims trying to prove to the world that Islam means violence do not want to take a holiday for the moment or plan only to use hotels as shooting ranges.

I hope Hassan will answer!
- awais
- Ex-Muslim
- mulhid taqwa
- offline
Re: Ex-Muslim Terrorist Speaks Out!
Reply #29 - December 04, 2008, 03:25 PM

Quote from: learn2bcalm on December 04, 2008, 03:11 PM
I was just going through FSTDT.

Had to look that one up, never heard of it. Funny stuff.

Quote from: sparky on December 04, 2008, 03:14 PM
comparing the actions of the US Army to terrorism is pretty wild and wacky in my book.

I dunno, who is Bush? What motivates so many to join so they can go fight the moozlums, it's "what this country was founded on".

Quote from: TomTom on December 04, 2008, 03:19 PM
Reading the official constitution of the new Iraqi government, they have created the foundation for a new Islamic state, with Sharia law!

It's in the constitution of many countries, but we haven't seen an Islamic State with Sharia law yet have we?

I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
12 Next page « Previous thread | Next thread »