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  • Reclaiming My Religion
     OP - December 02, 2008, 10:29 AM

    Just wanted to share a good article I received via an email link:
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    My relationship with Islam has never been straightforward. I grew up in Soviet Uzbekistan, hearing my grandfather recite the Koran on a daily basis. Sometimes he would translate a few verses for us. I was drawn to the beauty of the prose. I sensed a strong connection and especially admired the values of social justice, equality and generosity of human spirit.

    On the other hand, I was a Soviet Young Pioneer and later a Komsomol activist. Despite all my respect and love for my pious grandfather, I saw a mismatch between his words and my reality, at least in one area - there was no equality or justice to be found in Muslim families. The superiority of men over women was deeply entrenched and never questioned.

    In Soviet Uzbekistan, women were emancipated in the public sphere, but that emancipation usually ended at the doorstep to their homes. Society remained deeply patriarchal and the principal roles for women were still those of wife and mother. Any aspirations of women that went beyond the "classical" female jobs of teacher and medic were discouraged.

    I came to believe that gender inequality was part and parcel of Islamic teachings. As this didn't fit with my world view, I distanced myself from my religion and embraced secular feminism.

    My return to Islam began four years ago when I started a blog for women in Uzbekistan. Together with a couple of girlfriends, we raised some highly contentious and even taboo issues - domestic violence, family vs. career, child abuse, divorce, virginity, sexuality. At one point, the blog was taken hostage by some Islamist men who left highly restrictive and extremely conservative views on every topic.

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/28/opinion/edartyk.php?page=1


    Click on the link to read the full story.

    Ta!  bunny

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Reclaiming My Religion
     Reply #1 - December 02, 2008, 11:01 AM

    Click on the link to read the full story.


    I read the story. But I feel for such reformers of Islam. They try to make something good out of something bad, I feel only because of sentiment of growing up within the ideology.

    In the artcle she says:
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    the Islamic scriptures grant women rights to inheritance, divorce, choosing a husband, respectful treatment by the husband, and even for being fulfilled professionally outside of the family.


    She neglects to mention that the inheretance is half that of a male. Or her evidence is worth half that of a man. Or the man can divorce her by saying "I divorce you" 3 times with 2 witnesses and that's it. A woman does not have that option for divorce but must before a Sharia court (men only) to prove her case but as her evidence is only worth half that of the man she hardly ever stands a chance. There are ahadith that show women who came before Muhammad all battered and bruised asking for separation from their husbands were not granted their wish but ordered back to their husbands.

    I do not know where it is stated that women are allowed to choose their own husbands. Did Aisha choose Muhammad?

    How can you feel respect when you are given up for a second, third or fourth wife. When you are allowed to be beatin or locked away?

    How can you be fulfilled outside the family when you are to be cloaked and not seen by anyone except your immediate family and slave?

    I think such women do more harm trying to pertpetuate Islam regardless of the form they try to do it achieve it.


    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: Reclaiming My Religion
     Reply #2 - December 02, 2008, 04:40 PM

    Just wanted to share a good article I received via an email link:
    Quote
    My relationship with Islam has never been straightforward. I grew up in Soviet Uzbekistan, hearing my grandfather recite the Koran on a daily basis. Sometimes he would translate a few verses for us. I was drawn to the beauty of the prose. I sensed a strong connection and especially admired the values of social justice, equality and generosity of human spirit.

    On the other hand, I was a Soviet Young Pioneer and later a Komsomol activist. Despite all my respect and love for my pious grandfather, I saw a mismatch between his words and my reality, at least in one area - there was no equality or justice to be found in Muslim families. The superiority of men over women was deeply entrenched and never questioned.

    In Soviet Uzbekistan, women were emancipated in the public sphere, but that emancipation usually ended at the doorstep to their homes. Society remained deeply patriarchal and the principal roles for women were still those of wife and mother. Any aspirations of women that went beyond the "classical" female jobs of teacher and medic were discouraged.

    I came to believe that gender inequality was part and parcel of Islamic teachings. As this didn't fit with my world view, I distanced myself from my religion and embraced secular feminism.

    My return to Islam began four years ago when I started a blog for women in Uzbekistan. Together with a couple of girlfriends, we raised some highly contentious and even taboo issues - domestic violence, family vs. career, child abuse, divorce, virginity, sexuality. At one point, the blog was taken hostage by some Islamist men who left highly restrictive and extremely conservative views on every topic.

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/28/opinion/edartyk.php?page=1


    Click on the link to read the full story.

    Ta!  bunny


    I wish Muslims, especially Muslim women, would come up with a new article to write.  It's like the same article, word for word, every time.  There must be a template laying around where you just change the author's name and a few details here and there. "Islam is actually progressive and feminist!" "The Prophet hated polygamy as you can see by this hadith about Fatimah, even though he had like 13 wives himself!"

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    When Koranic verses appear to discriminate against women, Mrs. Mulia and other Muslim feminist scholars stress the need to read the Koran within the socio-historical context of 7th century Arabia. It was not God's intent to discriminate and spread injustice, they say.


    Oh ho, except for the ones about two women witnesses to one men, and smaller inheritance.  Which we already know exactly how they will justify those too!

    "Women didn't know business!" (Except for Khadija, who you brag was a great business woman)
    "Men must support women, but women can do whatever they want to with  money!" (
    Except he reality doesn't work that way and today's world is radically different when it comes to family ties and the idea of men supporting female relatives who aren't their wives and children)

    [this space for rent]
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