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 Topic: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?

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  • What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     OP - December 12, 2008, 12:45 PM

    Does it recognise it as rape? As far as I'm aware Shariah law doesn't and I know the Quran itself encourages women to be obedient to their husbands. According to Shariah Law you can beat a wife if she refuses you sex, there is a Hadith that supports this. Is there anything in Islam that states you can refuse your husband sex?
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #1 - December 12, 2008, 12:58 PM

    Rape  doesn't exist as a concept in Sharia.
    The closest distinction is between "marital" and "non-marital" sex.
    Non-marital sex gets you killed.
    Marital sex is ok.
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #2 - December 12, 2008, 01:32 PM

    What happens in the cases of polygamy. 

    If there is 1 man and 2 women and the 2 women get it on what happens?  With the man present and without the man present?
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #3 - December 12, 2008, 01:36 PM

    Why be so conservative? What happens if all four wives and all the slaves get it on?

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #4 - December 12, 2008, 01:40 PM

    What happens in the cases of polygamy. 

    If there is 1 man and 2 women and the 2 women get it on what happens?  With the man present and without the man present?


    Seems like your mind is in overclock mode. But there could be 4 wives!  Wink


    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #5 - December 12, 2008, 01:57 PM

    Does it recognise it as rape? As far as I'm aware Shariah law doesn't and I know the Quran itself encourages women to be obedient to their husbands. According to Shariah Law you can beat a wife if she refuses you sex, there is a Hadith that supports this. Is there anything in Islam that states you can refuse your husband sex?


    Basically the husband has full rights over the wife. She is to obey him always have herself ready to meet his desires.

    She is refered to as the eath whom her husband has full option to tilth whenever he requires. The ayat:

    2:223 Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will.

    It says when and how ye will. So complete disregard for the wives.

    If she refuses or is not obedient then you have 4:34 to rely on.

    4:34 - Good women are obedient. As for women from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and beat them

    There are ahadith we can look at also but why be a hadith freak today when the Qur'an will suffice?

    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #6 - December 12, 2008, 02:39 PM

    Does it recognise it as rape? As far as I'm aware Shariah law doesn't and I know the Quran itself encourages women to be obedient to their husbands. According to Shariah Law you can beat a wife if she refuses you sex, there is a Hadith that supports this. Is there anything in Islam that states you can refuse your husband sex?


    So far there has been no complaint from Muslim women on Marital Rape.  Cheesy

    However, the following may be helpful, if you are a non-Muslim lady:

    Quote
    Marital Rape
    Marriage is a contract based on mutual love, consideration and respect. Both partners have a right to their own body, and while consideration for each person's sexual needs is normal, forced sexual acts are not. They aren't an expression of love. They are a purposeful betrayal of the respect and trust which form a solid marriage.

    Sexual abuse within marriage leaves the victim very confused. We all accept that when someone is attacked and sexually assualted by a stranger while out on the street, it is called rape, and that it is wrong and a crime But, often when a man rapes his wife it is not seen by either as a crime, or even described as rape.

    Many women accept that once they are married they can't deny their husband sex. They see it as a wifely duty to have sex whenever it is demanded. When they have been raped they take on the guilt because they may have said no, and they think thats a sign of a bad wife. It can make them feel very worthless and diminsh their levels of self confidence.

    If no violence has taken place the man will often see it as consensual, as a joint decision. He denies it was rape. This adds to the confusion of the woman who starts to question the reality of what happened.

    Up until 1991 there was no such crime as marital rape, however since then law agencies do take claims of it seriously, and do take action.

    Protection while you and your partner reside together


    Be ready to call 999 if you or your children are in danger.

    Keep change or a phone card or a mobile phone with you all the time (including by the bed).

    Save some money and keep it and a set of keys in a safe place.

    Use a call box or a friend's phone to keep your calls private.

    Keep copies of papers in a safe place (such as passports, birth certificates, drivers licence, court orders, marriage certificate).

    Tell people you trust about the abuse.

    Talk to family and friends about staying with them in an emergency.

    Call a helpline to discuss your situation (you do not have to give your name).

    Talk to agencies e.g. a solicitor about your legal rights, or to the health visitor
    Develop and keep reviewing your safety plan if there is the risk of abuse. For instance, avoid some rooms (kitchen, because of potential weapons; or bathroom, with no exit).

    Ask neighbours and friends to call 999 if they see or hear noises that could mean you and/or the children are in danger. (Think about what you will scream or shout if attacked).

    Teach the children to use 999 and ask for the police. Talk to the children about staying safe, how they get out, where to go.


    The link: http://survive.org.uk/maritalrape.html

    Cheers
    BMZ


  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #7 - December 12, 2008, 02:42 PM

    Quote
    Up until 1991 there was no such crime as marital rape, however since then law agencies do take claims of it seriously, and do take action.


    Are you bolding that part out in order to show us marital rape never existed before?  or that it was never reported before?

    Anyway there is no rape of a wife in Islam, how can there be when she is halal for him?  Roll Eyes

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #8 - December 12, 2008, 03:28 PM

    So far there has been no complaint from Muslim women on Marital Rape.  Cheesy

    Is that a real fact or are you making an assumption?

    That article is not really helpful in a place ruled by Shariah law. I've been doing some googling and it turns it marital rape does not exist. I cant come up with any words to describe how appalling this is...
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #9 - December 12, 2008, 03:31 PM

    What if the 2 or 4 women of the marriage get it together even without the Man being present?  It that OK?


  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #10 - December 12, 2008, 03:33 PM

    What if the 2 or 4 women of the marriage get it together even without the Man being present?  It that OK?





    No Idea, but it sounds fun.  Cheesy

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #11 - December 12, 2008, 03:39 PM

    Quote
    Up until 1991 there was no such crime as marital rape, however since then law agencies do take claims of it seriously, and do take action.


    Are you bolding that part out in order to show us marital rape never existed before?  or that it was never reported before?

    Anyway there is no rape of a wife in Islam, how can there be when she is halal for him?  Roll Eyes


    Most of the Muslim wives are indeed submissive and also most of the Muslim men are henpecked too in real life., Ella.

    "I am not in the mood, honey" and "I am very tired" or "Not today, dear", still works. People care and this just does not apply to Muslims.

    There could be some isolated cases of some Muslim brute who forced his wife into sex with him, when she did not want it but that cannot come under rape. We cannot cry rape.

    The one I posted was about the problems faced by non-Muslim women.

    Good night

    BMZ

  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #12 - December 12, 2008, 03:42 PM

    What if the 2 or 4 women of the marriage get it together even without the Man being present?  It that OK?





    No Idea, but it sounds fun.  Cheesy


    Indeed!  Cheesy As long as the other two left out did not know.  Wink

    BMZ
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #13 - December 12, 2008, 03:42 PM

    Quote
    There could be some isolated cases of some Muslim brute who forced his wife into sex with him, when she did not want it but that cannot come under rape. We cannot cry rape.


    Why can we not call such a situation rape?

    rape
    noun, verb, raped, rap⋅ing.
    –noun

    1.   the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
    2.   any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
    3.   statutory rape.
    4.   an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.
    5.   Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.

    –verb (used with object)
    6.   to force to have sexual intercourse.
    7.   to plunder (a place); despoil.
    8.   to seize, take, or carry off by force.

    –verb (used without object)
    9.   to commit rape.


    Well?  wacko

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #14 - December 12, 2008, 03:46 PM

    What if the 2 or 4 women of the marriage get it together even without the Man being present?  It that OK?


    What exactly do you wish to say, TomTom?

    Anyway, there is no rape there.

    BMZ
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #15 - December 12, 2008, 03:56 PM

    So far there has been no complaint from Muslim women on Marital Rape.  Cheesy

    Is that a real fact or are you making an assumption?

    That article is not really helpful in a place ruled by Shariah law. I've been doing some googling and it turns it marital rape does not exist. I cant come up with any words to describe how appalling this is...


    Yes there was the case sometime in the late 80's in UK, the woman was Kiranjit Ahluwalia who was abused and raped by her husband. She killed him by setting the bedroom on fire.

    She ended up in jail but was eventually freed as a result of appeals made by some feminist groups.

    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #16 - December 12, 2008, 04:16 PM

    Most of the Muslim wives are indeed submissive and also most of the Muslim men are henpecked too in real life., Ella.

    "I am not in the mood, honey" and "I am very tired" or "Not today, dear", still works. People care and this just does not apply to Muslims.

    There could be some isolated cases of some Muslim brute who forced his wife into sex with him, when she did not want it but that cannot come under rape. We cannot cry rape.

    The one I posted was about the problems faced by non-Muslim women.


    Good night

    BMZ

    Isolated? Do you have any idea of how common this is?

    The same problems are faced by muslim women too except they cannot ask for help in Islamic countries or even in secular countries where they face family pressures.
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #17 - December 12, 2008, 04:18 PM

    Are you bolding that part out in order to show us marital rape never existed before?  or that it was never reported before?

    Anyway there is no rape of a wife in Islam, how can there be when she is halal for him?  Roll Eyes

    In Christian based societies, there was a similar rule that no rape within a marriage took place - i.e. that on marrying her husband, the wife had "consented" to having sex anytime anywhere (thus removing the legal requirements for rape which include lack of consent).  
    This influenced the law regarding marriage and rape even in the late 19th century  (where the criminal law regarding assault, rape etc.) was developed and this remained the law until relatively recently (in the UK in the 1980's as shown by BMZ).

    To get around this, Courts in the 20th century had been using other provisions - "sexual assault"/"indecent assault"

    The biggest difference between the British system and Sharia in this regard is that British law can and does change to reflect society - Sharia does not.
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #18 - December 12, 2008, 04:36 PM

    well according to Islamic texts there cannot be rape within a marriage because the woman has accepted the Mahr, which is payment for sexual services for the husband.
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #19 - December 13, 2008, 05:53 AM

    Quote
    Up until 1991 there was no such crime as marital rape, however since then law agencies do take claims of it seriously, and do take action.


    Are you bolding that part out in order to show us marital rape never existed before?  or that it was never reported before?

    Anyway there is no rape of a wife in Islam, how can there be when she is halal for him?  Roll Eyes


    Most of the Muslim wives are indeed submissive and also most of the Muslim men are henpecked too in real life., Ella.

    "I am not in the mood, honey" and "I am very tired" or "Not today, dear", still works. People care and this just does not apply to Muslims.

    There could be some isolated cases of some Muslim brute who forced his wife into sex with him, when she did not want it but that cannot come under rape. We cannot cry rape.

    The one I posted was about the problems faced by non-Muslim women.

    Good night

    BMZ




    Sorry, what?!

    If a woman is forced into sex, it is rape. There are no two ways about it.
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #20 - December 13, 2008, 07:52 AM

    Quote
    Up until 1991 there was no such crime as marital rape, however since then law agencies do take claims of it seriously, and do take action.


    Are you bolding that part out in order to show us marital rape never existed before?  or that it was never reported before?

    Anyway there is no rape of a wife in Islam, how can there be when she is halal for him?  Roll Eyes


    Most of the Muslim wives are indeed submissive and also most of the Muslim men are henpecked too in real life., Ella.

    "I am not in the mood, honey" and "I am very tired" or "Not today, dear", still works. People care and this just does not apply to Muslims.

    There could be some isolated cases of some Muslim brute who forced his wife into sex with him, when she did not want it but that cannot come under rape. We cannot cry rape.

    The one I posted was about the problems faced by non-Muslim women.

    Good night

    BMZ




    Sorry, what?!

    If a woman is forced into sex, it is rape. There are no two ways about it.


    Which woman and forced by who?

    BMZ
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #21 - December 13, 2008, 08:13 AM

    Sorry, what?!

    If a woman is forced into sex, it is rape. There are no two ways about it.


    Which woman and forced by who?

    BMZ

    You're twisted BMZ. May you learn to look back at this and shudder at your ignorance.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #22 - December 13, 2008, 09:02 AM

    Sorry, what?!

    If a woman is forced into sex, it is rape. There are no two ways about it.


    Which woman and forced by who?

    BMZ

    You're twisted BMZ. May you learn to look back at this and shudder at your ignorance.


    Don't comment when you don't understand. I don't appreciate a twisted mind coming in with an irrelevant one-liner.

    There is no rape when a woman and a man are married to each other. Do you call it a rape, if you do not want to have sex but your wife still mounts you and carries on?

    Think before you write.

    BMZ

  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #23 - December 13, 2008, 09:05 AM



    There is no rape when a woman and a man are married to each other.



    Funny, that wasn't in the dictionary when I looked the word "rape" up.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #24 - December 13, 2008, 09:24 AM

    So if your wife is not in the mood, or better yet, mad at you and not gonna give it to you, and you force yourself on her, that is not rape? You're the one who needs to think. What was it Bukhari said? "Knowledge precedes speech and action."

    Edit:Edit: Sorry, I forgot that you're a hadith rejectin' fool.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #25 - December 13, 2008, 09:32 AM



    Edit: Sorry, I forgot that you're a hadith rejectin' fool.


    Nah nah, he's a hadith selectin' rejectin'.............because he doesn't reject all of them, just the ones that don't match the Quran or his conscience.

    Also, please refrain from calling him a fool, we will moderate him if he insults you, so there is no need for you to do it.

    What he is saying may be foolish, but you'd be best served by saying that his post was foolish, rather than a direct insult.

     Afro

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #26 - December 15, 2008, 10:35 AM

    Sorry, what?!

    If a woman is forced into sex, it is rape. There are no two ways about it.


    Which woman and forced by who?

    BMZ

    You're twisted BMZ. May you learn to look back at this and shudder at your ignorance.


    Don't comment when you don't understand. I don't appreciate a twisted mind coming in with an irrelevant one-liner.

    There is no rape when a woman and a man are married to each other. Do you call it a rape, if you do not want to have sex but your wife still mounts you and carries on?

    Think before you write.

    BMZ



    Rape is rape no matter which gender does it, though I fail to see how man could be raped unless he was spiked with Viagra or something...
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #27 - December 15, 2008, 10:41 AM

    Sorry, what?!

    If a woman is forced into sex, it is rape. There are no two ways about it.


    Which woman and forced by who?

    BMZ

    You're twisted BMZ. May you learn to look back at this and shudder at your ignorance.


    Don't comment when you don't understand. I don't appreciate a twisted mind coming in with an irrelevant one-liner.

    There is no rape when a woman and a man are married to each other. Do you call it a rape, if you do not want to have sex but your wife still mounts you and carries on?

    Think before you write.

    BMZ

    Don't start trolling, BMZ. Consider this an unofficial (for now) warning.
    Awais' comment was not irrelevant at all. It was highly relevant and not at all evidence of a twisted mind.
    If anyone was displaying evidence of a twisted mind it would be the person who asked "which woman and forced by who?".
    Modern secular law does recognise the possibility of rape within marriage. It's a pity sharia and those who believe in it are not nearly so advanced.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #28 - December 15, 2008, 11:55 AM

    Quote
    Up until 1991 there was no such crime as marital rape, however since then law agencies do take claims of it seriously, and do take action.


    Are you bolding that part out in order to show us marital rape never existed before?  or that it was never reported before?

    Anyway there is no rape of a wife in Islam, how can there be when she is halal for him?  Roll Eyes


    Most of the Muslim wives are indeed submissive and also most of the Muslim men are henpecked too in real life., Ella.

    "I am not in the mood, honey" and "I am very tired" or "Not today, dear", still works. People care and this just does not apply to Muslims.

    There could be some isolated cases of some Muslim brute who forced his wife into sex with him, when she did not want it but that cannot come under rape. We cannot cry rape.

    The one I posted was about the problems faced by non-Muslim women.

    Good night

    BMZ




    Sorry, what?!

    If a woman is forced into sex, it is rape. There are no two ways about it.


    Which woman and forced by who?

    BMZ


    So you don't think there are cases of domestic rape?

    If a woman does not want to have sex with a man, but the man forces her, it is rape. IRREGARDLESS OF THEIR MARITAL STATUS. Sex is sex when it is between two consenting individuals. If one does not consent, it is considered rape.

    Jeebus H. Crisps, I have never had to clarify that for someone before.
  • Re: What's the Islamic View on Rape Within a Marriage?
     Reply #29 - December 15, 2008, 11:57 AM



    Jeebus H. Crisps, I have never had to clarify that for someone before.


     Cheesy Get used to it honey, I have had to say the same thing so many times that I am over the shock that anyone could think that way anymore.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
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