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  • A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     OP - December 15, 2008, 03:26 PM
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/1018147/23-years-al-Dashti

    Excellent book and very informative.
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #1 - February 24, 2009, 01:56 PM
    One of the major critiques, and among the earliest Middle-Eastern dudes who have written against Islam in the last century,
    I read part of it,

    A question Peruvian, does scribd.com allow downloading books? I?m @ work, site is blocked.  grin12
    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #2 - February 24, 2009, 02:00 PM
    Quote from: Emerald on February 24, 2009, 01:56 PM
    One of the major critiques, and among the earliest Middle-Eastern dudes who have written against Islam in the last century,
    I read part of it,

    A question Peruvian, does scribd.com allow downloading books? I?m @ work, site is blocked.  grin12



    Yep it's a great work.

    You can also find it on Faithfreedom.org

    Or you can PM your email address if you want and I'll email you the book.
    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #3 - February 24, 2009, 02:14 PM
    Thx FinallyFree,

    my email address is in my Pro.  Smiley
    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #4 - February 24, 2009, 02:22 PM
    Quote from: Emerald on February 24, 2009, 02:14 PM
    Thx FinallyFree,

    my email address is in my Pro.  Smiley


    OK done
    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #5 - February 24, 2009, 02:39 PM
    Quote from: FinallyFree on February 24, 2009, 02:22 PM
    OK done

    ==========

    Got it, Thx.  Afro
    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #6 - February 24, 2009, 02:43 PM
    The book mentioned that the prophet did not have sex much with certain wives (Safiyah being one of them). Every other source tells me he gave each wife a night which he kept. Does any one know Ali Dashti's source for his claim? I decided not to read the book after this claim but he has a good reputation so I'm now confused...
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #7 - February 24, 2009, 03:01 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on February 24, 2009, 02:43 PM
    The book mentioned that the prophet did not have sex much with certain wives (Safiyah being one of them). Every other source tells me he gave each wife a night which he kept. Does any one know Ali Dashti's source for his claim? I decided not to read the book after this claim but he has a good reputation so I'm now confused...

    ============

    He provides references for all info. checked that?

    Anyway, I'll check it out tomorrow.
    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #8 - February 24, 2009, 03:04 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on February 24, 2009, 02:43 PM
    The book mentioned that the prophet did not have sex much with certain wives (Safiyah being one of them). Every other source tells me he gave each wife a night which he kept. Does any one know Ali Dashti's source for his claim? I decided not to read the book after this claim but he has a good reputation so I'm now confused...


    Actually not all wives were treated equally when it came to nights. Aisha was his favourite. Sauda Bint Zama even gave up her nights to the young Aisha. So there could have been other alterations to suit the prophet's needs.
    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #9 - February 24, 2009, 03:06 PM
    I can't view the website from the office either. I'll wait till i get home.
    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #10 - February 24, 2009, 03:27 PM
    Emerald - The list of sources on that side is incredibly difficult to read as it's quite blurry (in fact I can't actually tell if they are sources or not). Also Dashti doesn't reference sources as he goes along so I don't know which source to check.
    Quote from: a.ghazali on February 24, 2009, 03:04 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on February 24, 2009, 02:43 PM
    The book mentioned that the prophet did not have sex much with certain wives (Safiyah being one of them). Every other source tells me he gave each wife a night which he kept. Does any one know Ali Dashti's source for his claim? I decided not to read the book after this claim but he has a good reputation so I'm now confused...


    Actually not all wives were treated equally when it came to nights. Aisha was his favourite. Sauda Bint Zama even gave up her nights to the young Aisha. So there could have been other alterations to suit the prophet's needs.

    Dashti said he did not take regular turns with Safiyah, Sawda, Jowayriya, Maymuna and Omm. He also names 17 wives of the prophet and that he did not consummate two of the marriages.

    I'm aware his wives were not treated equally but did not know it was to this extent, although it's surprisingly considering the verse sent down allowing him to treat his wives any way he wants.
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #11 - February 24, 2009, 09:56 PM
    I'm not sure if everyone is still looking for sources, or if these are the specific ones, but here's a bunch anyhoo....

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/treatment_to_sauda.htm
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #12 - February 25, 2009, 10:47 PM
    Quote from: a.ghazali on February 24, 2009, 03:04 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on February 24, 2009, 02:43 PM
    The book mentioned that the prophet did not have sex much with certain wives (Safiyah being one of them). Every other source tells me he gave each wife a night which he kept. Does any one know Ali Dashti's source for his claim? I decided not to read the book after this claim but he has a good reputation so I'm now confused...


    Actually not all wives were treated equally when it came to nights. Aisha was his favourite. Sauda Bint Zama even gave up her nights to the young Aisha. So there could have been other alterations to suit the prophet's needs.

    Sauda was the first wife after Khadija, she was offered to muhammad to take care of his immediate needs. She was oldish and particularly fat. She was soon followed by the third wife, aisha.

    One day Sauda discovered that muhammad planned on divorcing her. So she went to him and made a deal with him that he gets to keep her as long as she gives her night to aisha.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #13 - January 30, 2010, 01:38 PM
    Also found here:

    http://ali-dashti-23-years.tripod.com/
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #14 - January 30, 2010, 09:04 PM
    Thank you
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #15 - January 31, 2010, 09:47 PM
    There is a part where the author mentions how the companions influenced revelations. There is a book on the subject, I tried searching for it in the sira but can't find it. Like Umar, and the hijab verse.
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #16 - January 31, 2010, 09:49 PM
    I think I found it:


    Asbab-al-Zuyul  Al Suyuti

    Not sure what Zuyul means, revelations? Asbab means reasons.

    Or maybe this is a chapter in his tafsir? Tafsir al-Jalalayn

    Maybe its this book?

    Al-Wahidi?s Asbab Al-Nuzul
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #17 - January 31, 2010, 10:36 PM

    This is a valuable resource. Bookmarked for future reference.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #18 - February 01, 2010, 09:25 AM
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    Mohammad was devout and free from the vices of his time. He pictured the end of the world and the day of judgement as near at hand. With his thoughts fixed on the hereafter, he implored his Meccan compatriots to revere the Lord of the Universe, and condemned violence, injustice, hedonism, and neglect of the poor. Like Jesus, he was full of compassion. After the move to Madina, however, he became a relentless warrior, intent on spreading his religion by the sword, and a scheming founder of a state. A Messiah was transformed into a David. A man who had lived for more than twenty years with one wife became inordinately fond of women.


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    He pictured the end of the world and the day of judgement as near at hand


    There is a hadith about this, before he dies he says the world will end in 70 years I think. Or the next generation won't live. But I wonder what sources does Dashti use for this statement?
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #19 - February 23, 2010, 10:07 AM
    I can't get past the third chapter of ali dashtis sira of Mohammed.

    It's really a depressing read and difficult readig on monitor.
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #20 - February 23, 2010, 10:20 AM
    Quote from: BlackDog on February 01, 2010, 09:25 AM
    There is a hadith about this, before he dies he says the world will end in 70 years I think. Or the next generation won't live. But I wonder what sources does Dashti use for this statement?


    Actually it's in Bukhari... it's one of my favorite Hadiths I use to convince my friends how stupid this Bukhari was... There are MANY verses in the Quran that say ONLY God knows when the Hour is and that it will be SUDDEN.

    http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2512&start=100#p41563

    I mean can you imagine how ROBOTIC this dude Bukhari was with his work? The Hadith he listed in his books contradicts many verses in the Quran PLUS he lived 200 years after the prophet and the world didn't end yet, so obviously the Haith is false... why did the idiot include it in his book? Because what mattered to him is the chain of narration, the contents didn't matter one bit... maybe the narrator misunderstood? Imagined? Exaggerated? Was lying? Nope! It doesn't matter, according to historical background of these narrators, non of them was a liar, so the Hadith must be included even if it meant the prophet himself was a liar and contradicted many of the verses in Quran!
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #21 - February 27, 2010, 09:17 AM
    debunker
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    so the Hadith must be included even if it meant the prophet himself was a liar and contradicted many of the verses in Quran!

    You are THE DUMBEST guy I have ever read who appears to be smart yet not to figure that out after reading Quran

    with best
    yeezevee
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #22 - February 27, 2010, 09:22 AM
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 27, 2010, 09:17 AM
    debunker You are THE DUMBEST guy I have ever read who appears to be smart yet not to figure that out after reading Quran

    with best
    yeezevee


    ROFL
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #23 - February 27, 2010, 10:41 AM
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 27, 2010, 09:17 AM
    debunker You are THE DUMBEST guy I have ever read who appears to be smart yet not to figure that out after reading Quran

    with best
    yeezevee



    Awwwww! poor Oholibah.... still seeking my attention, are you? I told I will never put *it* in your mouth... Here, suck on this lollipop, instead!

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #24 - February 27, 2010, 11:08 AM
    Seems like Muhammad got in contact with Allah when he was all alone and bored by himself.
    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #25 - February 27, 2010, 11:09 AM
    its a fucking great read
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #26 - February 27, 2010, 02:46 PM
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    Filth writes : Awwwww! poor Oholibah.... still seeking my attention, are you? I told I will never put *it* in your mouth... Here, suck on this lollipop, instead!


    then  stop writing this stupid stuff you FILTH

    Quote
      so the Hadith must be included even if it meant the prophet himself was a liar and contradicted many of the verses in Quran!   


    Quote
    "All my intellectual and supposedly logical statements in the explanation of the Quran turned out to be lame. 



    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #27 - March 05, 2010, 07:40 PM
    I just started reading at a random chapter and it is very interesting.
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #28 - March 05, 2010, 11:13 PM
    Cool, this sounds interesting. I downloaded it on my phone. Thanks for the link!
    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • Re: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi
     Reply #29 - March 08, 2010, 08:45 AM
    just got to CHAPTER IV

    Metaphysics

    GOD IN THE QUR’AN
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