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Reply #30 - January 02, 2009, 10:23 PM

Quote from: gallego on January 02, 2009, 10:03 PM

And she still seems to think I am a bigot. I have asked her to provide any racist or sexist remark that I have made, and she has not done so.

It's just the sneering tone of the majority of your posts that gives you away.

The sarcasm when you talked about not being not allowed to say the word "nigger" because you're white but that a black man can - rather than explain how you disagree with it you make a snide remark about it instead.

And that childish bullcrap "5 ways to deal with saudi" or whatever you said , convinced me you're a buffoon.

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Reply #31 - January 03, 2009, 12:21 AM

Quote from: Humanoid on January 02, 2009, 10:23 PM
Quote from: gallego on January 02, 2009, 10:03 PM

And she still seems to think I am a bigot. I have asked her to provide any racist or sexist remark that I have made, and she has not done so.

It's just the sneering tone of the majority of your posts that gives you away.

The sarcasm when you talked about not being not allowed to say the word "nigger" because you're white but that a black man can - rather than explain how you disagree with it you make a snide remark about it instead.

And that childish bullcrap "5 ways to deal with saudi" or whatever you said , convinced me you're a buffoon.

I fail to see the sarcasm in my reference to Chris Rock, who is a pretty funny and intelligent guy, although I think he is unnecessarily crude at times. I wasn't being sarcastic. I was merely stating what I see to be reality.

As far as the Saudis are concerned, maybe you have some more intelligent suggestions as how we ought to deal with them without being categorized as a buffoon. I think they should be taken by the scruff of the neck. We have some ways that it can de done. They are about as evil a regime as there is on this planet. Rather than just call me names, why don'y you offer some more constructive suggestions?

Have I called you any names? Have I called anybody any names? Where are the ad hominem attacks going in this forum, and where are they coming from?
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Reply #32 - January 03, 2009, 12:57 AM

Quote from: gallego on January 03, 2009, 12:21 AM
Quote from: Humanoid on January 02, 2009, 10:23 PM
Quote from: gallego on January 02, 2009, 10:03 PM

And she still seems to think I am a bigot. I have asked her to provide any racist or sexist remark that I have made, and she has not done so.

It's just the sneering tone of the majority of your posts that gives you away.

The sarcasm when you talked about not being not allowed to say the word "nigger" because you're white but that a black man can - rather than explain how you disagree with it you make a snide remark about it instead.

And that childish bullcrap "5 ways to deal with saudi" or whatever you said , convinced me you're a buffoon.

I fail to see the sarcasm in my reference to Chris Rock, who is a pretty funny and intelligent guy, although I think he is unnecessarily crude at times. I wasn't being sarcastic. I was merely stating what I see to be reality.

As far as the Saudis are concerned, maybe you have some more intelligent suggestions as how we ought to deal with them without being categorized as a buffoon. I think they should be taken by the scruff of the neck. We have some ways that it can de done. They are about as evil a regime as there is on this planet. Rather than just call me names, why don'y you offer some more constructive suggestions?

Have I called you any names? Have I called anybody any names? Where are the ad hominem attacks going in this forum, and where are they coming from?

I retract the word "buffoon".

Before I continue conversing with you , can you confirm if you are a practising christian? It would help me get a sense of perspective.

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Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
Reply #33 - January 03, 2009, 01:03 AM

Quote from: Humanoid on January 03, 2009, 12:57 AM

I retract the word "buffoon".

Before I continue conversing with you , can you confirm if you are a practising christian? It would help me get a sense of perspective.

I accept your retraction.

I am not a Christian.

Now that I have answered your question, would you please answer mine? It would also give me a sense of perspective. I am referring to my question as to how you think we ought to deal with the Saudis.
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Reply #34 - January 03, 2009, 03:41 AM

Quote from: gallego on January 03, 2009, 01:03 AM

I accept your retraction.

I am not a Christian.

Now that I have answered your question, would you please answer mine? It would also give me a sense of perspective. I am referring to my question as to how you think we ought to deal with the Saudis.

I have just read more of your posts on this forum, and it is obvious that you aren't really interested in any sort of rational debate.

Besides, my ideas for Saudi don't involve blowing up pipelines or destroying desalination plants, so it's doubtful you would find them to your taste. I'm afraid I will have to decline your kind request and save my time and brainpower.

As has been poiinted out to you already remember that this is an ex-muslim forum , most of us still have practising muslim relatives that we love and who generally are not genocidal wife beaters.

Refrain from using abusive language about whoever you believe are "true" muslims as most our families think they are "true" muslims too, irrespective of what you believe their religious shortcomings are.

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Reply #35 - January 03, 2009, 03:53 PM

Gallego, a note and a personal opinion on the Saudis.

It is not a regime issue. Else it will be the same mistake that was done in iraq.

Westerners and Americans in particular seem to think that everyone is capable of working together. America saw people come from all different countries yet all were able to integrate and work together. The Europeans are still swooning from the "Fraternite, Egalite.." French thingie. So Americans in iraq thought just getting rid of the head of the snake, will clean up the system under them.

That "people will just work together if allowed" is not True in most of the world. For many reasons. For example God seems to have contested 'real estate' in many countries. People have histories spanning several times the age of the American republic. People might have religions and doctrines that are not condusive to build a larger civilization. Many reasons.

Also you should not forget that America did not become the way it is today by picking daisies. In fact the worst most bloody war the Americans engaged in was against themselves, and it was bloody.

The issue with the Saudis as well as the Iraquis is a cultural issue. The Saudis actively dislike Western influence. In fact, the Saudi royals are probably the most pro-american group in this entire country, but they are friends we rather not have.

So it might be politically correct to state we need to take the saudi regime by the scruff of their necks, but care has to be taken that we do not end up with another iraq where the fundies end up with a stronger hold on the country and the country's resources.

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Reply #36 - January 05, 2009, 12:08 PM

Quote from: gallego on December 31, 2008, 06:15 PM
Quote from: sojournerlumus on December 31, 2008, 05:44 PM
Quote from: gallego on December 31, 2008, 12:48 AM
Quote from: osmanthus on December 30, 2008, 11:37 PM
So what had this particular person sown?

That's the tragedy of this story. As far as I know, that particular person has done nothing to make him deserve what he got.

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt by suggesting that the poor guy was probably just trying to eke out a living.

Sadly, because of the ignorant and barbaric ways that really true muslims behave, there will be others who will be victims of events they do not deserve.

So, let's get this straight: You were giving a migrant worker 'the benefit of the doubt' even though you thought he was a muslim
You are obviously very young or else very callous and ill-informed. Ignorance and barbarism come in many forms.

You are suggesting that I am some way advocating murder?

I have never said any such thing, and I find the inference offensive.

I am giving that poor guy the benefit of any doubt that may exist because I know of no information that would suggest that he, on a personal level, provoked anybody. He probably was muslim, but that is not the point either.

When I mentioned that muslims reap what they sow, I was making a veiled reference to Beslan. Russians have are right to be pissed about that, and that poor guy's murder may or may not have been a reaction to that. If it was, it does not justify it. It just seems to be the way it is. It doesn't mean I like it.

The point is this. When barbarity occurs in one place, barbarity will inevitably occur as a reaction (somewhere, sometime). I am not trying to justify it. Sadly, it just seems to happen. Those children in Beslan didn't deserve to die, and I seriously doubt that this migrant worker did anything to deserve to be killed.

Don't put words into my mouth.

Im thinking the Russian reaped what the sowed in Beslan due to then years of atrocities in Chechnya including carpet bombing villages (with thousands of children inside), raping women and torturing countless innocents. And lets not even mention the genocide of chechens following WW2

As a matter of fact, I think future Beslans can be interpreted in this fashion...not that I am justifying Beslan of course...

Do we agree big guy?

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Reply #37 - January 06, 2009, 11:42 PM

I do not agree, I think you are trying to justify Beslan.

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Reply #38 - January 07, 2009, 01:04 AM

I think he is sarcastically using gallego's own argument back at him from the opposite point of view. I did the same about a page and a half back, and I can assure you I'm not under the illusion that Beslan was "justified".

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Reply #39 - January 07, 2009, 01:27 AM

I agree. The sarcasm was obvious to me.

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Reply #40 - January 08, 2009, 06:30 AM

Quote from: gallego on December 31, 2008, 06:15 PM
Don't put words into my mouth.

Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on January 05, 2009, 12:08 PM
Do we agree big guy?

Ya, True, just got it too. Gallego tried to play the blame game with the Emir of the blame game.

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Reply #41 - January 08, 2009, 08:01 AM

I still see a local Commie running around in my neighborhood here once in a while who is adamant that the "Russians had it coming" in regards to the Beslan massacre. I then asked him if he had ever read any Islamic texts at all. He said "no" and I walked away. A couple of weeks later he tried to strike up a conversation with me and I quietly walked away again. Then about a week after that I saw him beating up a bus stop shelter.

Let's face it. Lots of innocent people are going to die due to fanatics and none of them "had it coming" nor are they "reaping what they sow." That includes that bus stop shelter.
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Reply #42 - January 08, 2009, 01:02 PM

Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on December 20, 2008, 02:02 PM
2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow

Horrible!

I hope and pray this never, never, ever, ever happens here. I have always believed that British society is more pluralistic and the people have a more sophisticated understanding of ethnic minorities - but it only takes a few crazies to whip up fear, hatred and violence.
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Reply #43 - January 09, 2009, 07:04 AM

Quote from: Baal on January 08, 2009, 06:30 AM
Quote from: gallego on December 31, 2008, 06:15 PM
Don't put words into my mouth.

Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on January 05, 2009, 12:08 PM
Do we agree big guy?

Ya, True, just got it too. Gallego tried to play the blame game with the Emir of the blame game.

So when do you think Obama will admit that he is a secret Muslim who has sworn to destroy America, Mr. Rational Logical Humanist? Im thinking its gonna happen at the inauguration...

and how's your strategy working out? you think your knuckledragging buddies at Jchat at starting to figure it out?

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Reply #44 - January 11, 2009, 09:27 PM

Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on January 09, 2009, 07:04 AM
Quote from: Baal on January 08, 2009, 06:30 AM
Quote from: gallego on December 31, 2008, 06:15 PM
Don't put words into my mouth.

Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on January 05, 2009, 12:08 PM
Do we agree big guy?

Ya, True, just got it too. Gallego tried to play the blame game with the Emir of the blame game.

So when do you think Obama will admit that he is a secret Muslim who has sworn to destroy America, Mr. Rational Logical Humanist? Im thinking its gonna happen at the inauguration...

and how's your strategy working out? you think your knuckledragging buddies at Jchat at starting to figure it out?

If Obama turns out to be a muslim, he will/should be impeached (not for being a muslim but for lying about it), and Joe Biden will become president according to the rules of succession. Besides, what muslim could tolerate attending a church like Obama's for 20 years, no matter how devoted to allah he was?
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