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 Topic: Islam and Our Elders Require It

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  • Islam and Our Elders Require It
     OP - December 31, 2008, 09:17 AM

    Kurdistan features disproportionately in stories of honour killings. Not unrelatedly, female circumcision is widespread. Here's a feature in today's Washington Post:


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/28/AR2008122802005.html

    Sheelan Anwar Omer, a shy 7-year-old Kurdish girl, bounded into her neighbor's house with an ear-to-ear smile, looking for the party her mother had promised.

    There was no celebration. Instead, a local woman quickly locked a rusty red door behind Sheelan, who looked bewildered when her mother ordered the girl to remove her underpants. Sheelan began to whimper, then tremble, while the women pushed apart her legs and a midwife raised a stainless-steel razor blade in the air. "I do this in the name of Allah!" she intoned.

    As the midwife sliced off part of Sheelan's genitals, the girl let out a high-pitched wail heard throughout the neighborhood. As she carried the sobbing child back home, Sheelan's mother smiled with pride.

    "This is the practice of the Kurdish people for as long as anyone can remember," said the mother, Aisha Hameed, 30, a housewife in this ethnically mixed town about 100 miles north of Baghdad. "We don't know why we do it, but we will never stop because Islam and our elders require it."

    Kurdistan is the only known part of Iraq --and one of the few places in the world--where female circumcision is widespread. More than 60 percent of women in Kurdish areas of northern Iraq have been circumcised, according to a study conducted this year. In at least one Kurdish territory, 95 percent of women have undergone the practice, which human rights groups call female genital mutilation.

    The practice, and the Kurdish parliament's refusal to outlaw it, highlight the plight of women in a region with a reputation for having a more progressive society than the rest of Iraq. Advocates for women point to the increasing frequency of honor killings against women and female self-immolations in Kurdistan this year as further evidence that women in the area still face significant obstacles, despite efforts to raise public awareness of circumcision and violence against women....

    Supporters of female circumcision said the practice, which has been a ritual in their culture for countless generations, is rooted in sayings they attribute to the prophet Muhammad, though the accuracy of those sayings is disputed by other Muslim scholars. The circumcision is performed by women on women, and men are usually not involved in the procedure. In the case of Sheelan, her mother informed her father that she was going to have the circumcision performed, but otherwise, he played no role.


    Kurds who support circumcising girls say the practice has two goals: It controls a woman's sexual desires, and it makes her spiritually clean so that others can eat the meals she prepares.

    There's a photo gallery to go with the story of Sheelan. Despite the editor's warning - "some images in this gallery may be disturbing because of their violent or graphic nature" -  there's actually nothing graphic about them at all. Disturbing though....yes.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2008/12/28/GA2008122801468.html
  • Re: Islam and Our Elders Require It
     Reply #1 - December 31, 2008, 10:42 AM

    Makes me sick to death to hear the consistency of these cases...It's so common it's disgusting.
  • Re: Islam and Our Elders Require It
     Reply #2 - December 31, 2008, 10:45 AM

    What gets me is women do it to their daughters, apparently without any coercion.  Huh?

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Islam and Our Elders Require It
     Reply #3 - December 31, 2008, 03:50 PM

    Primitive barbarism in the extreme.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Islam and Our Elders Require It
     Reply #4 - December 31, 2008, 06:39 PM

    Disgusting!  The smile on her mother's face while she is holding down her struggling daughter says it all...

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Islam and Our Elders Require It
     Reply #5 - December 31, 2008, 06:45 PM

    Disgusting!  The smile on her mother's face while she is holding down her struggling daughter says it all...



    How does a mother, who must have had the same thing done to her, go on the do these things to another girl?

    Do they never question why they do these things?

    oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"
  • Re: Islam and Our Elders Require It
     Reply #6 - December 31, 2008, 06:49 PM

    I think that's partly why they do it.  They had it done by their mothers, etc.  Its sick the things people can be indoctrinated into accepting as normal.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Islam and Our Elders Require It
     Reply #7 - December 31, 2008, 07:01 PM

    What gets me is women do it to their daughters, apparently without any coercion.  Huh?


    There is coercion.

    It's in verse 4:34 of the KKKoran, which applies when a woman might dare "disobey" her man.
  • Re: Islam and Our Elders Require It
     Reply #8 - December 31, 2008, 07:07 PM

    Totally irrelevant.  We are talking about cases where the man is NOT ordering it and the women do it anyway.

    And while I'm talking to you, gallego, you can cut this childish crap of calling it the KKKoran.  Just the Koran or the Qur'an will do, thanks.  And I'm not interested in any rationalisations off you either - if the contents of the Qur'an are that bad you should be able to show that succesfully enough by just quoting the contents.  No need to be childish about it.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Islam and Our Elders Require It
     Reply #9 - December 31, 2008, 07:44 PM

    Totally irrelevant.  We are talking about cases where the man is NOT ordering it and the women do it anyway.

    And while I'm talking to you, gallego, you can cut this childish crap of calling it the KKKoran.  Just the Koran or the Qur'an will do, thanks.  And I'm not interested in any rationalisations off you either - if the contents of the Qur'an are that bad you should be able to show that succesfully enough by just quoting the contents.  No need to be childish about it.


    +100  Afro

    I take it you have already been a member of FFI or Jihadwatch simply by your use of the KKKoran.  I can tell you that's not welcome here, do it again and you will recieve a warning.

    The quran has plenty in it to show it for what it is, you don't need to even be offensive about it.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
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