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 Topic: Converting from Islam to Judaism

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  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #30 - January 24, 2009, 10:27 AM

    Well, I suspect Zaephon is a jew, but maybe I am wrong.  I must say he does not sound like an ex-muslim, but who knows.  Anyway, it is not important.

    What from the list of stereotypes makes you say that?


    I really do not stereotype people lightly, it's just my intuition.  Zaephon seems to know a lot about Judaism, but maybe he has studied or read a lot.  I don't know.  And then it's unusual to see an ex-muslim defending Zionism.  Two wrongs don't make one right.

    As I said, it is not important.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #31 - January 24, 2009, 10:29 AM

    I taught myself to read Hebrew and have been to the Synagogue a few times, Cheesy Tongue
    Israelis have mistaken me for Jewish, I can pass. Tongue

    I can also pass for Paki and Arab. Tongue

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #32 - January 24, 2009, 10:31 AM

    Zaephon is an ex-muslim.  Are you, turquoise?


    No, I am married to a non religious Muslim.  I have had many disagreements with him because I openly criticize many things in Islam.  I have always condemned Palestinian suicide bombings and I have been called jew lover for that.  But I am an objective person and like to inform myself of issues to get to the truth.

    I have learnt not to be afraid of the truth, however much it hurts.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #33 - January 24, 2009, 10:34 AM

    I taught myself to read Hebrew and have been to the Synagogue a few times, Cheesy Tongue
    Israelis have mistaken me for Jewish, I can pass. Tongue

    I can also pass for Paki and Arab. Tongue


    Well, that shows things are not all what they seem Smiley
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #34 - January 24, 2009, 10:38 AM

    Zaephon is an ex-muslim.  Are you, turquoise?


    No, I am married to a non religious Muslim.  I have had many disagreements with him because I openly criticize many things in Islam.  I have always condemned Palestinian suicide bombings and I have been called jew lover for that.  But I am an objective person and like to inform myself of issues to get to the truth.

    I have learnt not to be afraid of the truth, however much it hurts.


    The truth never really hurts.  Its only dickheads who say it does.  And good for you for looking for it.   Smiley

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #35 - January 24, 2009, 10:46 AM

    Zaephon is an ex-muslim.  Are you, turquoise?


    No, I am married to a non religious Muslim.  I have had many disagreements with him because I openly criticize many things in Islam.  I have always condemned Palestinian suicide bombings and I have been called jew lover for that.  But I am an objective person and like to inform myself of issues to get to the truth.

    I have learnt not to be afraid of the truth, however much it hurts.


    The truth never really hurts.  Its only dickheads who say it does.  And good for you for looking for it.   Smiley


    Thank you  Smiley
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #36 - January 24, 2009, 11:14 AM

    You would be surprised to know how many people are afraid of the truth.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #37 - January 24, 2009, 11:18 AM

    And truth does hurt sometimes.  The point is: do you love it enough to stand the pain?
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #38 - January 24, 2009, 05:26 PM

    And truth does hurt sometimes.  The point is: do you love it enough to stand the pain?

    What a stereotypical sentence.   Roll Eyes

    Quote from: turquoise
    I really do not stereotype people lightly, it's just my intuition.  Zaephon seems to know a lot about Judaism, but maybe he has studied or read a lot.  I don't know.  And then it's unusual to see an ex-muslim defending Zionism.

    Well, you will have to learn tolerating other viewpoints. There is a great deal of difference between anti-Zionism, i.e. unconditional opposition to a Jewish state, and criticism of Israel. I accept the latter, and oppose the first.

    I live in a society where anti-Semitism has become increasingly widespread, and where Islamists are preaching that secular Turks are to be hated as much as the cursed Jews. I live in a society where Islamists exploit the Palestinian-Israeli struggle to expand their own political agenda. Are you an atheist? Then you must be a Zionist trying to weaken Islam. Are you a socialist? Karl Marx was Jewish! Are you a Kemalist? Well, Ataturk was crypto-Jewish too.
     
    Yes, I know much about Judaism and Jewish history. I know much about Christianity, too. Some of my favourite books are mediaeval Christian texts. I have sympathy for many minority religions trying to survive in the Islamic landscape, ranging from Zoroastrianism to oriental Christianity, from the Yazidi to the Alawis in Turkey. Every single heterodox, non-Islamic religion deserves some sympathy in the Islamic landscape. I have special sympathy for Jews only because anti-Semitism, traditional and Nazi-style, is quite similar to the anti-Semitism of Middle Ages. Jews are more than impure infidels in the eyes of an Islamist --they are malevolent demigods, responsible for everything. As such, the worst blasphemy in political Islam is to defend the Jewish people. I am doing it.

    Interestingly, nobody has ever accused me of being a Zoroastrian or Yazidi, but I have been "accused of" being Jewish for so many times that I cannot remember, even in discussions completely unrelated to Judaism or Israel. Now isn't that interesting? And our very own Turquoise was saying that "the majority of Jews oppose the Zionist state," only to later speculate about my secret Jewish identity. How strange.

    Quote from: turquoise
    As I said, it is not important.

    Why speculate about it, in that case? In another thread you have speculated how I must be ugly, and now you are speculating about my secret Jewish identity. One of the members here expressed his desire to see me hospitalised because I disagreed with his anti-Zionist views. Two years ago, an Islamist girl expressed his desire to see me decapitated, simply because I expressed that Israel has the right to exist. If such views are so widespread here and everywhere, how can anybody complain that Zionism is the new taboo of the West? Integrity, please.

    Why I choose to support Israel is my business, just as why you choose to condemn Israel is yours. Speculating about secret identities is rude and puerile, but then again you expressed that you are ready to believe in ZOG conspiracy theories.

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #39 - January 25, 2009, 09:31 AM

    And truth does hurt sometimes.  The point is: do you love it enough to stand the pain?

    What a stereotypical sentence.   Roll Eyes

    Quote from: turquoise
    I really do not stereotype people lightly, it's just my intuition.  Zaephon seems to know a lot about Judaism, but maybe he has studied or read a lot.  I don't know.  And then it's unusual to see an ex-muslim defending Zionism.

    Well, you will have to learn tolerating other viewpoints. There is a great deal of difference between anti-Zionism, i.e. unconditional opposition to a Jewish state, and criticism of Israel. I accept the latter, and oppose the first.

    I live in a society where anti-Semitism has become increasingly widespread, and where Islamists are preaching that secular Turks are to be hated as much as the cursed Jews. I live in a society where Islamists exploit the Palestinian-Israeli struggle to expand their own political agenda. Are you an atheist? Then you must be a Zionist trying to weaken Islam. Are you a socialist? Karl Marx was Jewish! Are you a Kemalist? Well, Ataturk was crypto-Jewish too.
     
    Yes, I know much about Judaism and Jewish history. I know much about Christianity, too. Some of my favourite books are mediaeval Christian texts. I have sympathy for many minority religions trying to survive in the Islamic landscape, ranging from Zoroastrianism to oriental Christianity, from the Yazidi to the Alawis in Turkey. Every single heterodox, non-Islamic religion deserves some sympathy in the Islamic landscape. I have special sympathy for Jews only because anti-Semitism, traditional and Nazi-style, is quite similar to the anti-Semitism of Middle Ages. Jews are more than impure infidels in the eyes of an Islamist --they are malevolent demigods, responsible for everything. As such, the worst blasphemy in political Islam is to defend the Jewish people. I am doing it.

    Interestingly, nobody has ever accused me of being a Zoroastrian or Yazidi, but I have been "accused of" being Jewish for so many times that I cannot remember, even in discussions completely unrelated to Judaism or Israel. Now isn't that interesting? And our very own Turquoise was saying that "the majority of Jews oppose the Zionist state," only to later speculate about my secret Jewish identity. How strange.

    Quote from: turquoise
    As I said, it is not important.

    Why speculate about it, in that case? In another thread you have speculated how I must be ugly, and now you are speculating about my secret Jewish identity. One of the members here expressed his desire to see me hospitalised because I disagreed with his anti-Zionist views. Two years ago, an Islamist girl expressed his desire to see me decapitated, simply because I expressed that Israel has the right to exist. If such views are so widespread here and everywhere, how can anybody complain that Zionism is the new taboo of the West? Integrity, please.

    Why I choose to support Israel is my business, just as why you choose to condemn Israel is yours. Speculating about secret identities is rude and puerile, but then again you expressed that you are ready to believe in ZOG conspiracy theories.


    I really asked just out of curiosity.  I made the comment about Jude Law, because when you joked that you were a zionist and eat babies too, for a moment a imagined him doing that, lol. Just a silly comment really, and I apologized for it.

    I don't like Zionists because they have proven to have the same ideology of dominance and disregard for human life of Islam and other religions/ideologies.
    So I am against the whole lot of them.

    I am sure there are nice Jews that have nothing to do with all this.  In fact I have met some in the UK who were not interested in either Judaism or Zionism.  The ones I have talked to did not really like the Israelis as they though they were arrogant people.  I have been there myself and can testify to that (generally speaking, of course).

    I don't mind them having a nation.  But this endeavor has proven to be more trouble that it is worth and they are putting the whole world in danger.  If it was up to me I would ban them both (Arabs and Jews) from that land.  Wishful thinking of course.  They are both there to stay and they will f...up the world in the end.

    About the conspiracy theories, I think most of it is rubbish.  But then everywhere you can find a grain of truth.  Can you prove that the Rothschilds don't own the Federal Reserve of the US?  And then, the Rothschilds have been one of the main sponsors of Zionism.  Well, it does make you think. 

    And, what is it you find stereotyped in the truth comment above?   
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #40 - January 25, 2009, 04:33 PM

    Quote from: turquoise
    I am sure there are nice Jews that have nothing to do with all this.  In fact I have met some in the UK who were not interested in either Judaism or Zionism.  The ones I have talked to did not really like the Israelis as they though they were arrogant people.  I have been there myself and can testify to that (generally speaking, of course).

    Of course, you think Jews who reject the Zionist Entity are nice human beings, don't you? In other words, apart from some Jews who refuse both Judaism and Zionism, Jews are arrogant and not nice? Jews who attend the synagogue or believe in Israel's right to exist are necessarily arrogant and malevolent? Trust me Turquoise, this whole "I know some nice Jews.." argument is just good old shit. Such an assumption suggests that other Jews, who have "something to do with all this" must be wicked and thus not worthy of existence. Even Ahmedinejad has repeated the same silly old lines. You need to come up with other arguments.

     If you knew about the history of anti-Semitism, you could see the similarity between this false sympathy offered to Jews and the good old Christian maxim, "some Jews are nice, and they will convert to Christianity anyway. Others Jews are cursed, like Judas." Any sympathy offered to Jews while denying them the right to create their own nation-state and experience their collective identity is no sympathy at all.

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #41 - January 26, 2009, 09:00 AM

    Quote from: turquoise
    I am sure there are nice Jews that have nothing to do with all this.  In fact I have met some in the UK who were not interested in either Judaism or Zionism.  The ones I have talked to did not really like the Israelis as they though they were arrogant people.  I have been there myself and can testify to that (generally speaking, of course).

    Of course, you think Jews who reject the Zionist Entity are nice human beings, don't you? In other words, apart from some Jews who refuse both Judaism and Zionism, Jews are arrogant and not nice? Jews who attend the synagogue or believe in Israel's right to exist are necessarily arrogant and malevolent? Trust me Turquoise, this whole "I know some nice Jews.." argument is just good old shit. Such an assumption suggests that other Jews, who have "something to do with all this" must be wicked and thus not worthy of existence. Even Ahmedinejad has repeated the same silly old lines. You need to come up with other arguments.

     If you knew about the history of anti-Semitism, you could see the similarity between this false sympathy offered to Jews and the good old Christian maxim, "some Jews are nice, and they will convert to Christianity anyway. Others Jews are cursed, like Judas." Any sympathy offered to Jews while denying them the right to create their own nation-state and experience their collective identity is no sympathy at all.


    As I said earlier, I am not against them having a state but it seems the whole thing is more trouble that it is worth.  In every human group there are good and not so good people, including in the zionist group. 
    I correct myself:  If it was up to me, I would ban from that land all those who are making trouble and hindering the peace process, from both sides.  That includes the ones that pay only lip service to it.
    I hope my views are clear to you.  If they aren't, so be it, my conscience is.

    I am not going to discuss this issue any further, so thank you all for your insights.  They only way you learn is by meeting diverse opinions.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #42 - January 28, 2009, 01:11 PM

    It's the only way to go.

    Why bow down towards Makkah when you can decant a '28 Chateau Margaux or a '45 Mouton Rothschild?  Enjoy foie gras with truffles and a bottle of Yquem.

    Instead of getting up at 4.00 am and doing two rakaah you make love to your beloved and drift off into a blissful seep.

    There's other ways of worshiping God.

    There will be no white flag above our door
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