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Reply #150 - November 23, 2010, 06:03 AM

Why?
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Reply #151 - November 26, 2010, 10:03 AM

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Reply #152 - November 26, 2010, 10:56 AM

Sunni Islam - Salafi Islam - Strong(or Gnostic) Theism + a more 'moderate' non-sect of Islam - Agnostic Theism + my 'moderate' non-sect non-practising approach to Islam - Agnosticism/Atheism(being a theological noncognitivist, my approach to one's God depends on such a definition).
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Reply #153 - November 26, 2010, 10:32 PM

Muslim -> Anti-god -> Anti-theist -> Atheist

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Reply #154 - November 26, 2010, 11:48 PM

Mormon -> Atheist.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #155 - November 27, 2010, 01:12 AM

Dufus -> arsehole -> ball-bag
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Reply #156 - November 27, 2010, 01:46 AM

Catholic ---> Militant anti theistic, anti Christian atheist ---> Attempt at being a non denominational Christian -----> Non militant Agnostic Atheist..

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Reply #157 - November 27, 2010, 01:48 AM

Quote from: Zebedee on November 27, 2010, 01:12 AM
Dufus -> arsehole -> ball-bag

That just about sums it all up in my case as well...

"Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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Re: The before and after thread.
Reply #158 - November 27, 2010, 03:16 PM

Quote from: Heyjustlooking on March 11, 2010, 09:03 PM
Same shit as an atheist e.g. Jeffrey Lang becomes a Muslim. It strikes an emotional chord with them. Logic would not lead you to religion but emotion will.

I believe I've been shown YouTube videos of this guy before.

Quote from: Heyjustlooking on March 11, 2010, 09:49 PM
Well usually they see something they like or attracts them in a particular religion which they didn't find or experience in their former one, probably. Your assuming though they rationalise religion away in every aspect. Some may find a concept or verse which resonates with them personally that makes the religion more likeable to them.

My thoughts exactly.

In an interview with Lang, he said he rejected Catholicism because bad things happened to him and he wanted to know why.

Then he claimed the Qur'an, with its angel verses, answered him, when it offers practically the same explanation. And then he started talking about praying to Allah, and how he prayed for "guidance", and magically ended up a believer the next day.

At some point the interviewer asked what could be wrong with Islam, and Lang threw out the old "It's culture, not religion" excuse.

Funny, because as they say, "Islam is a deen".

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Reply #159 - November 27, 2010, 10:31 PM

Muslim (by birth) -> Deist -> Agnostic > Atheist -> Agnostic
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Reply #160 - November 27, 2010, 10:33 PM

what made you go from atheist to agnostic?

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Reply #161 - November 27, 2010, 10:48 PM

Guys.... we were all atheists by birth...
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Reply #162 - November 27, 2010, 11:02 PM

Not me. When I took my first breathe of air I immediately bent over into the sujud position, then I raised my finger up to signify the oneness of Allah and I said the words "la ilaha il Allah, Muhammad rasool Allah".
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Reply #163 - November 27, 2010, 11:08 PM

Not me either, Ive always known my mother was my creator

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Reply #164 - November 27, 2010, 11:10 PM

What about your dad?
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Reply #165 - November 27, 2010, 11:18 PM

He just helped out with some of the ingredients

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Reply #166 - November 27, 2010, 11:27 PM

Quote from: Logical_Mind44 on November 27, 2010, 11:02 PM
Not me. When I took my first breathe of air I immediately bent over into the sujud position, then I raised my finger up to signify the oneness of Allah and I said the words "la ilaha il Allah, Muhammad rasool Allah".

I wouldn't be surprised, knowing Muslims and their crazy miracles.

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Reply #167 - November 28, 2010, 04:03 AM

Quote from: IsLame on November 27, 2010, 10:33 PM
what made you go from atheist to agnostic?

I go from atheist to agnostic about 4 times a day, but it would be too cumbersome to type all that out!

Mainly the fact that I don't feel I have enough knowledge to say I am a de-facto atheist, partly because the idea of atheism still holds a kind of finality about it and I don't like the idea of being in a stationary position.
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Reply #168 - November 28, 2010, 04:00 PM

You can (and I would say should) be an agnostic atheist.
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Reply #169 - November 28, 2010, 04:04 PM

(Liberal) Muslim --> Deist --> Agnostic Atheist.

(Atheist wrt to revealed gods, agnostic about the possibility of there being a god)

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Reply #170 - December 05, 2010, 03:27 PM

Quote from: deusvult on November 26, 2010, 11:48 PM
Mormon -> Atheist.

What made you leave Mormonism?

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Reply #171 - December 05, 2010, 04:28 PM

Liberal Muslim > Religious > Liberal > Agnostic

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Reply #172 - December 05, 2010, 05:19 PM

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Same shit as an atheist e.g. Jeffrey Lang becomes a Muslim. It strikes an emotional chord with them. Logic would not lead you to religion but emotion will.

Of all the conversion stories I found this incredible,because this person is a professional Mathematician[I had read one of his text books in college],who has to deal with some form of logic day in and day out. How could such a person not see inconsistencies in the Koran. Did his logic fail him ,when he needed it the most?

Before he became an atheist he was a Roman Catholic.Probably his subconscious was not purged of all the shit it had filled in his head. He had a traumatic experience of his father constantly beating his mother. His sheer helplessness about doing something to help his mother,who he felt was suffering needlessly, made him lose his faith, FAIR ENOUGH. Looks like the format was not a clean format.

When as an atheist he is presented with an edited and repacked version of the same shit he goes gaga over it,and his logic fails him miserably! He eulogizes the poetry in the Koran from its translation!

Crazy emotions!

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Reply #173 - December 05, 2010, 06:00 PM

Quote from: Ferret on December 05, 2010, 03:27 PM
What made you leave Mormonism?

I grew disillusioned on my mission and I realized I was pushing nothing more than self help, emotional appeals, and fallacies. I didn't know at the time about academia going though and showing how almost everything written as the basis of Mormonism was a forgery, plagerism, or shallow attempts at outright lying, at the time I couldn't reconcile the rigorous proofs for things in science, for the rules of evidence and persuasion in debate and the obvious slight of hand and wishy washyness of Mormonism's claims. I became a perpetual doubter, and eventually the claims of being true just faded away. The complete process took about a year and a half from getting back off the mission.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #174 - January 16, 2011, 02:04 PM

Islam > The Force > The Darkside.
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Reply #175 - January 16, 2011, 02:37 PM

Muslim* --> Atheist

*Muslim by name, not by any real conviction

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Reply #176 - January 16, 2011, 02:51 PM

Raised by my grandparents as a very flimsy Muslim (my granddad is an atheist), moved out of an Islamic environment at a young age, and in adolescence I fully realised it's all a load of bollocks but identified as a 'cultural Muslim' for a short stint - I guess that's the closest I've gotten to an 'identity crisis' living in the West. Now I'm just an atheist with a world view for which one label does no justice.

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Reply #177 - January 16, 2011, 03:05 PM

Quote from: deusvult on December 05, 2010, 06:00 PM
I grew disillusioned on my mission and I realized I was pushing nothing more than self help, emotional appeals, and fallacies. I didn't know at the time about academia going though and showing how almost everything written as the basis of Mormonism was a forgery, plagerism, or shallow attempts at outright lying, at the time I couldn't reconcile the rigorous proofs for things in science, for the rules of evidence and persuasion in debate and the obvious slight of hand and wishy washyness of Mormonism's claims. I became a perpetual doubter, and eventually the claims of being true just faded away. The complete process took about a year and a half from getting back off the mission.

Where did your mission take you?

You must have had some bizzare experiences on your travels.

Quote from: hypocrucifier on December 05, 2010, 05:19 PM
Of all the conversion stories I found this incredible,because this person is a professional Mathematician[I had read one of his text books in college],who has to deal with some form of logic day in and day out. How could such a person not see inconsistencies in the Koran. Did his logic fail him ,when he needed it the most?

Before he became an atheist he was a Roman Catholic.Probably his subconscious was not purged of all the shit it had filled in his head. He had a traumatic experience of his father constantly beating his mother. His sheer helplessness about doing something to help his mother,who he felt was suffering needlessly, made him lose his faith, FAIR ENOUGH. Looks like the format was not a clean format.

When as an atheist he is presented with an edited and repacked version of the same shit he goes gaga over it,and his logic fails him miserably! He eulogizes the poetry in the Koran from its translation!

Crazy emotions!

In the interview I saw, the Muslim interviewer even asked him if he analyzed the Qur'an to see if it had inconsistencies, and he said no. And then the interviewer was making the appeal to emotion about having "a clean heart", or something like that.

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Reply #178 - January 20, 2011, 11:44 AM

Quote from: arX on January 16, 2011, 02:51 PM
Raised by my grandparents as a very flimsy Muslim (my granddad is an atheist), moved out of an Islamic environment at a young age, and in adolescence I fully realised it's all a load of bollocks but identified as a 'cultural Muslim' for a short stint - I guess that's the closest I've gotten to an 'identity crisis' living in the West. Now I'm just an atheist with a world view for which one label does no justice.

my grandpa was also an atheist (communist, partisan fighter during WW2) but i never met him..

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Reply #179 - February 23, 2011, 04:26 AM

Islam - Islam with doubts - vague belief in some sort of deity - Agnosticism - Atheism.

Yes, it was a slow and gradual process.
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