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  • Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     OP - February 02, 2009, 04:06 PM




    She is increasingly becoming the worst example of fuzzy headed stupidity on the Left I can think of. I think she is the premiership text book example of a dogmatic anti Western Leftists out there.

    I will give her credit, Yasmin A Brown is not part of the Islamist loving Trotskyite Left of George Galloway, Respect and the SWP.

    She is part of the woolly, peacenik anti racist Leftist camp of the Independent and the Guardian.

    She disagrees with the Islamists but thinks that they are all our fault, well not exactly our collective fault. Imams and violent Jihadis are the blameless victims of the middle class white men who control foreign policy and the working class white men who according to her are oppressors of the immigrant population of Britain.

    Her rhetoric is becoming increasingly stupid, hysterical and race obsessed.

    She recently said about the current economic crisis.

    "Who navigated our ships into rocky, turbulent seas? This recession was man-made, made by men, white men to be precise"

    But not content with blaming the economic crisis on the white middle classes, she wrote an article that oozed hate and contempt for the white working classes entitled, Spare Me The Tears Over The White Working Class.

    She called them Self pitying, Always-wretched and complaining, Stupid, and Vicious, people who engage in boring monologues, envy others, start riots and vote for demagogues.

    She says

    "A new government report finds that they feel "betrayed" and abandoned. Ruined by "ethnic minorities" they cry into their antimacassars and threaten to vote for fascists. The British working classes include people of every shade. But only white grievances matter"

    "Parliamentarians, the media, even the people who claim to speak for immigrants such as Baroness Warsi and Trevor Phillips are flocking to indulge the always-wretched and complaining classes. And so it becomes a matter of honour for me to oppose them"

    Just imagine someone talking about black people the way she talks about white people.

    She has said that she thinks Iran should have a nuclear bomb because we have one and that the only way we can ask Tehran not to develop a bomb is if Israel, America and Western Europe unilaterally disarm.

    Does she seriously think that Iran and North Korea would ditch their nuclear ambitions if we suddenly became pacifists and decommissioned our nukes?

    She is increasingly living in cloud cuckoo land and her detachment from reality is causing her to make shrill hateful comments and statements that are so stupid it's embarrassing.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/yasmin-alibhai-brown/yasmin-alibhaibrown-spare-me-the-tears-over-the-white-working-class-1225824.html

  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #1 - February 02, 2009, 04:24 PM

    nice one Brucepig - I thought it was a very interesting article..

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  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #2 - February 02, 2009, 04:32 PM

    ....."I stood up to the bastards who called me a 'Paki whore' and threatened me with genital mutilation when they finally ruled these isles on behalf of 'English patriots'. I survived well enough the more refined insults and perpetual punishment I expect as an immigrant who isn't grateful enough.".....
    Yasmin Alibhai Brown



    She obviously speaks from a perspective that you will never understand.

    *the quote is not taken from the article.

    oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #3 - February 02, 2009, 04:36 PM

    I've always found her a bit of an arse.

    She's married to one fo these 'white middle class' men hence the second surname and I think she believes that gives her license to be racist.

    I know she's now on the 'One Law For All' panel but I can't imagine she has alot to offer. The things she says may have had some impact in the late 80s, early 90s but her rhetoric is now definitely old hat.

  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #4 - February 02, 2009, 04:39 PM

    ....."I survived well enough the more refined insults and perpetual punishment I expect as an immigrant who isn't grateful enough.".....
    Yasmin Alibhai Brown



    I find I get this a lot, usually from working class men in middle class jobs

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  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #5 - February 03, 2009, 12:31 AM

    ....."I stood up to the bastards who called me a 'Paki whore' and threatened me with genital mutilation when they finally ruled these isles on behalf of 'English patriots'. I survived well enough the more refined insults and perpetual punishment I expect as an immigrant who isn't grateful enough.".....
    Yasmin Alibhai Brown



    She obviously speaks from a perspective that you will never understand.

    *the quote is not taken from the article.



    Ah the politics of identity and respect, the righteousness of the minority, the anger of the oppressed, offended downtrodden underdog. The dogma of the Left in a nut shell. That must make her right then.

    Anyway I hate the assumption that is made that white people don't know anything about bigotry and hardship. I grew up in a time when walking the streets as scrawny white teenagers we were targeted by black gangs to be robbed and humiliated.

    I have been robbed on many occasions, beaten called a pussy hole white fool and two of my friends who stood up to this racist bullying where seriously assaulted. One of them was beaten with hammers and had his head put in a vice in the Design and Technology department in school and the other had his throat slashed and died on the way to hospital and the irony of it was they were accused of racism by their attackers.

    Please don't assume that just because someone is not a minority they don't know what it's like.

    Minorities don't have a monopoly on hardship and even if they did it shouldn't give someone the right to spout spiteful shit about another group of people just because that group only fits in to the dualistic hierarchy of identity politics as oppressors.

    The ideas of the Left which dogmatically assert that the world is split in to two camps of oppressed and oppressors, victims and victimisers, rebels and imperialists, majority and minority, black and white, good and bad are simplistic and outdated and deserve to be exposed as such.

    It only goes to show how far that rot has set into our society that  A_G could assume it was cool to say to me "She obviously speaks from a perspective that you will never understand" as if the mere fact that I'm not from a minority exempts me from having anything valid to say unless it is in deference to her hardships as an immigrant.

    People just assume that members of the majority should be cowed into silence by the harsh reality of minority experience as compared to our cozy lives as a white males which must consist of a smooth sailing journey from cradle to uni, to high powered job in the media or banking.

    Well not all of us are so lucky, some of the majority get to enjoy the fruits of economic hardship, prison and violent prejudice as well but people who are not from a minority don't get the luxury of being able to blame anyone else for it and no one will be understanding and make excuses for us. I have to take responsibility for my own mistakes.

    There's no respect in fact people like Alibhai Brown would probably accuse me of being a bleating, self pitying fool. Why! not because my experiences of a low economic position and racist violence are much different than someone from a minority but because my skin colour doesn't allow me to taken seriously as anything other than a shaven headed bootboy. That is my role whether I like it or not.
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #6 - February 03, 2009, 01:20 AM

    PS: Now you know that I have suffered racism and prejudice does it make it cool for me to say.

    "The British working classes include people of every shade. But only "black" grievances matter, Parliamentarians, the media, even the people who claim to speak for the white working class such as Baroness Warsi and Trevor Phillips are flocking to indulge the always-wretched and complaining "immigrants". And so it becomes a matter of honour for me to oppose them"

    I would neither want to say such things or be allowed too but she is obviously living on a different plane of existence than me.

    Also her diatribes are not only bigoted they are ignorant, the CEO's of both Fannie Mae and Merrill Lynch are black.

    http://www.alumni.hbs.edu/bulletin/2001/june/profile.html


  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #7 - February 03, 2009, 10:15 AM

    No-one said you dont have a right to complain- it sounds like you have also been exposed to racism, and aware that racism or predjudice of any kind, is a horrible thing and needs to be eliminated.

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  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #8 - February 03, 2009, 05:10 PM

    I don't read her articles. I don't know much about her. I don't care for her views. I don't agree with her politics.

    All I know about her is from what people say about her and on the occasions she appears on the radio and TV. She seems to be attacked by people on the Right, People on the Left, Muslims and even some atheist.

    She obviously speaks from a perspective that you will never understand and other people identify with or at least find interesting or she would never get this much attention.

    She doesn't have any power. There is an option, in most of her articles online, to reply and put forward your counter argument.

    If you don't like what she says then why do you read her work? Is it because you enjoy her prose?

    I've heard that she opposes Sharia law in the UK. I see you fail to mention this in your post. It clearly isn't a "fair and balanced" critic of her work/article/option.

    There is clearly something more going on here. It's seems to me that the most vigorous attacks on her are by misogynist who don't like opinionated women who have to courage to open their mouths. Many of these misogynist are white men and many of them are Muslim men; well men in general.

    oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #9 - February 03, 2009, 05:18 PM

    Hi A_G,

    If you've never seen her on TV before then when you do it won't take long before you conclude she's an idiot.

    I personllay would not like to see her get invovled with the battle against 'Sharia Law' because she'll only say something stupid.

    Occasionally you might see her on a lunch time current affairs program that the BBC run. Whenever I see her on the panel I can't help but groan. She's like Germaine Greer, out-of-date and perpetually immature.

    Just my opinion.
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #10 - February 04, 2009, 01:22 AM

    I don't read her articles. I don't know much about her. I don't care for her views. I don't agree with her politics.

    All I know about her is from what people say about her and on the occasions she appears on the radio and TV. She seems to be attacked by people on the Right, People on the Left, Muslims and even some atheist.

    She obviously speaks from a perspective that you will never understand and other people identify with or at least find interesting or she would never get this much attention.

    She doesn't have any power. There is an option, in most of her articles online, to reply and put forward your counter argument.

    If you don't like what she says then why do you read her work? Is it because you enjoy her prose?

    I've heard that she opposes Sharia law in the UK. I see you fail to mention this in your post. It clearly isn't a "fair and balanced" critic of her work/article/option.

    There is clearly something more going on here. It's seems to me that the most vigorous attacks on her are by misogynist who don't like opinionated women who have to courage to open their mouths. Many of these misogynist are white men and many of them are Muslim men; well men in general.



    As a Londoner who cares dearly about the Left Yasmin Alibhai Brown has always been around writing articles, making appearances on GLR and radio 4 plus her TV work.

    When I was younger and more juvenile I loved her radical, anti authoritarian, anti American diatribes and being someone who has always struggled economically I always liked to hear the upper and middle classes get talked about as if they were evil oppressors who had got their status through cheating.

    But now I have grown up, the world has changed and as Speaklow says, like Germaine Greer she has become more immature and out of date as time marches on.

    Not to mention the fact that these haters of the Western bourgeois are fully paid up Oxbridge graduates and established journalists living in some of the most expensive real estate in the world. They are feminists who live in the most liberated societies in history but they attack the West as misogynistic and support the patriarchal cultures of Arabia and Africa.

    They are misanthropic, self hating hypocrites that have spent all of their lives calling America and the West hypocritical for supporting tyrants then they condemn America and the West as tyrants in their own right when they topple tyrants.

    They are dragging the Left through the dirt, this is why I talk about these people. We need a strong Left and idiots like Yasmin AB are discrediting the Left with their petty simplistic self righteous nonsense.

    As an aside, lets not forget that Germaine Greer is a radical feminist who condemned Salman Rushdie for writing the Satanic Verses not the misogynist theocrat who condemned him to death.

    These are the kind of people I'm talking about so please don't imply that my criticism of Yasmin Alabhai Brown is in anyway misogynistic. I resent that implication and I think it is sexist, you wouldn't shield a man from criticism just because he was a man.

    You have implied that because I'm not an immigrant I don't understand her arguments now you imply that I'm in some way being a misogynist just because she is a woman. Please stop with the personal attacks, if you disagree with me state why and lets talk but don't try to discredit me.   

    I did mention that to her credit she was not one of the Islamist loving Leftists, I might not of mentioned the One Law campaign but I did give her the credit of opposing Islamism even if she makes excuses for it by blaming it on whitey and the West.

    We owe so much to the radical feminist and anti racist 68er's who stormed the barricades. They won the cultural battles against racism and sexism but now they have transformed Western society instead of looking to liberate our brothers and sisters in Arabia, Iran, Africa and Asia they scream imperialism call for cultural relativism and like a stuck record attack the most anti racist and anti sexist societies in all time as if they where the biggest evils in history.

    Their cultural victories have deranged them and left them with the terrible decision of being redundant or being on the side of the West which wants Liberal values to be universal. They refuse to do either so they attack the liberal democratic countries they live in. Nutters

    The best thing we can do to fight the anti Westernism and moral relativism of these people is to point it out wherever it pops up.

    Thats all I'm doing.
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #11 - February 04, 2009, 01:48 AM

    Just look at how dogmatic, shrill, immature and inarticulate she is in these videos. She makes the Left look very very bad.

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4lqSYyNOEA&feature=channel_page

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rhVmbS-xSk&feature=channel_page


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQg1LUxZUDQ&feature=channel_page

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lud0S879cmA&feature=channel_page
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #12 - February 04, 2009, 01:56 AM

     She's often on a programme on BBC News 24 on Sunday night , I forget what its called , the one where they have journalists from around the world discussing news stories . She often makes some good points ( and I can't help sort of liking anyone that draws criticism from the left the right & islamists , at least she's not another bland clone ) , but she does seem to attribute everything to 'racism' . She reminds me a bit of Rageh Omaar - ie . someone who seems to have a fairly priviledged life and is all over the media , but still wants to present themself as a downtrodden victim of oppression
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #13 - February 04, 2009, 03:58 AM

    (Clicky for piccy!)


    "Who navigated our ships into rocky, turbulent seas? This recession was man-made, made by men, white men to be precise"




    Thats called acceptable racism

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #14 - February 04, 2009, 08:20 AM

    Oh now I see, shes just being honest about the wicked white race. That's alright then  Wink I take it all back, shes a godsend  Afro

    Good old YAB sticking up for the oppressed minorities and kicking the white oppressors up the arse!

    Jolly good show parrot
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #15 - February 04, 2009, 09:02 AM

    If ever there was an argument for women staying home to cook and clean...

    'Let's all discuss a book that none of us have read' - brilliant.

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #16 - February 04, 2009, 12:01 PM

    "making appearances on GLR"
    Showing your age there. GLR ended about 9 years ago.


    "If ever there was an argument for women staying home to cook and clean..."
    looks like I was right. Most of her attacks are misogynist.

    It would be interesting to get some opinions from women. 

    oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #17 - February 04, 2009, 02:31 PM

    Hah yes GLR, the good old days. What a blinding radio station.

    Unique, intelligent output and it played proper music but they scrapped it for phone in shows with Jon Gaunt and Vanessa Feltz.

    "Phone in now and tell us what you think about Jade Goody's new look"

    Bloody sad state of affairs.

    The only things good left on that station is Norman Jay, Charlie Gillet and Robert Elms and he has gone way down hill.

    PS: Don't use Jack as a benchmark for Yasmin Alabhai Browns critics. No fair wacko
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #18 - February 04, 2009, 04:44 PM

    She really can be an annoying person to listen to. Once in the Independent she wrote something along the lines:

    ....patriotism cannot be forced upon the ethnic minorities. Identifying with a nation is not the gift of anyone. Nobody can force you to love your country.


    In other words minorities (read Muslims) cannot be forced to be British first before Islam and their contry of origin.

    She went on say "We will withhold that kiss if the state disappoints."

    This implies that a democratically elected government should shape its policies in such a way that it never offends the minority. Because if it does do not expect allegiance.

    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #19 - February 04, 2009, 08:25 PM

    I have no clue about this person.

    I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #20 - February 04, 2009, 09:17 PM

    I agree with Speaklow's opinion of her. 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #21 - February 04, 2009, 11:32 PM

    You must be a misogynist. Grin

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #22 - February 04, 2009, 11:52 PM

    You must be a misogynist. Grin


    Either that or she's a feather headed old blue stocking who doesn't know her arse from her elbow. 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #23 - February 05, 2009, 08:20 AM

    You must be a misogynist. Grin


    Either that or she's a feather headed old blue stocking who doesn't know her arse from her elbow. 


    That the latter, I think Smiley

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #24 - February 05, 2009, 08:32 AM

    You must be a misogynist. Grin


    Either that or she's a feather headed old blue stocking who doesn't know her arse from her elbow. 


     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Nice work. "a feather headed blue stocking"  dance dance dance
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #25 - February 05, 2009, 12:14 PM

    You must be a misogynist. Grin


    Either that or a racist or bit of both.

    oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #26 - February 05, 2009, 06:56 PM

    Care to back that up with anything? You wanted opinions from women. Cheetah is a woman. Go figure.

    If you were only looking for opinions from women who agreed with you then you should have said so.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #27 - February 05, 2009, 07:01 PM

    Care to back that up with anything? You wanted opinions from women. Cheetah is a woman. Go figure.

    If you were only looking for opinions from women who agreed with you then you should have said so.


    Does the ignore function have a numerical limit? I think we're about to find out  Cheesy
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #28 - February 05, 2009, 07:05 PM

    No numerical limit. However it doesn't work on staff members. Some people still try it, despite the fact that the relevant information is clearly stated in the installation announcement. parrot

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Has Yasmin Alibhai Brown gone completely mad?
     Reply #29 - February 05, 2009, 08:41 PM

    You must be a misogynist. Grin


    Either that or a racist or bit of both.


    Yes, maybe.  Here are the options then....

    a) Cheetah is a misogynist

    b) Cheetah is a racist

    c) Cheetah is both a misogynist and a racist

    d) Yasmin  Alibhai Brown is a feather heaed old blue stocking who doesn't know her arse from her elbow.

    Take your pick which one rings most true.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
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