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Question for ex-Muslim atheists and/or agnostics...
OP - February 13, 2009, 04:18 PM

If you were forced to (re)revert or be beheaded....would you play along? If I were an ex-Muslim atheist or agnostic, I would...because there would be nothing much to lose, and I'd be able to keep my head where it belongs....on my neck!

Please no jokes about where some of you think my head may be.
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Reply #1 - February 13, 2009, 04:22 PM

Okay...I guess I left myself open for that one....so, go ahead with the head-in-butt image....
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Reply #2 - February 13, 2009, 04:48 PM

would you feel doing that would be ethically justified in the first place?

how about i turned the tables and asked if your children were going to be brutally raped and eaten by a psychotic, what would you NOT do save them?

or how about if some nut case right wing terrorist wanted to blow up mecca, time-travel back to muhammad's era and wanted to sodomize his goats... would you save an apostate who could stop that?

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Reply #3 - February 13, 2009, 04:59 PM

Quote from: SalahuddinR on February 13, 2009, 04:48 PM
would you feel doing that would be ethically justified in the first place?

I might think of reasons it would be ethically justified to save my head. For one thing, if I preserved my life, I would be able to start an under-gound resistance to protect other apostates. Or if I have a family, how can I protect them if I'm dead?

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how about i turned the tables and asked if your children were going to be brutally raped and eaten by a psychotic, what would you NOT do save them?

That one's a no-brainer. If I were an atheist/agnostic, I would lie to preserve their lives. As a believer, I would be tempted to do the same thing...because it is not my own life, but my childrens'.
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or how about if some nut case right wing terrorist wanted to blow up mecca, time-travel back to muhammad's era and wanted to sodomize his goats... would you save an apostate who could stop that?

Just to sodomize his goats? That would do nothing to stop Islam.
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Reply #4 - February 13, 2009, 05:00 PM

Shaneequa,

If you saw Jesus dragging the Jewish people who you claim to love to Hell, for not believing in Him after they'd been tortured by Anti Christ, would you stop Jesus?

If you saw your belief proved false and the actual God being YHWH or Allah who'd drag you to Hell, would you plead with them to spare you, as you were genuinely mistaken?

World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
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Reply #5 - February 13, 2009, 05:02 PM

Quote from: Rashna on February 13, 2009, 05:00 PM
Shaneequa,

If you saw Jesus dragging the Jewish people who you claim to love to Hell, for not believing in Him after they'd been tortured by Anti Christ, would you stop Jesus?

If you saw your belief proved false and the actual God being YHWH or Allah who'd drag you to Hell, would you plead with them to spare you, as you were genuinely mistaken?

Hey! Wait a minute! I asked first.
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Reply #6 - February 13, 2009, 05:04 PM

My answer's yep, now you answer.

World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
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Reply #7 - February 13, 2009, 05:04 PM

I would recommend atheist-agnostic ex-Muslims to do what they have to do to save their lives.
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Reply #8 - February 13, 2009, 05:08 PM

"Just to sodomize his goats? That would do nothing to stop Islam."

What do you mean JUST? is this common place to you? plus, i like goats. and who wants to "stop" islam? lol

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Reply #9 - February 13, 2009, 05:09 PM

Quote from: Rashna on February 13, 2009, 05:00 PM
Shaneequa,

If you saw Jesus dragging the Jewish people who you claim to love to Hell, for not believing in Him after they'd been tortured by Anti Christ, would you stop Jesus?

I would not be able to. Nobody would. A word from his mouth is stronger than all the armies in the world...even the hosts of heaven.
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If you saw your belief proved false and the actual God being YHWH or Allah who'd drag you to Hell, would you plead with them to spare you, as you were genuinely mistaken?

Yes.
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Reply #10 - February 13, 2009, 05:13 PM

Quote from: Shaneequa on February 13, 2009, 05:09 PM
Quote from: Rashna on February 13, 2009, 05:00 PM
Shaneequa,

If you saw Jesus dragging the Jewish people who you claim to love to Hell, for not believing in Him after they'd been tortured by Anti Christ, would you stop Jesus?

I would not be able to. Nobody would. A word from his mouth is stronger than all the armies in the world...even the hosts of heaven.
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If you saw your belief proved false and the actual God being YHWH or Allah who'd drag you to Hell, would you plead with them to spare you, as you were genuinely mistaken?

Yes.

excellent! and you're sure the Shinto are wrong about their god(s)? and the hindus too...?

what if whichever non-christian god you came across said he would have forgiven you but you pissed him/her/it off by constantly praying to the wrong god? wouldn't you change your ways here and now?

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Re: Question for ex-Muslim atheists and/or agnostics...
Reply #11 - February 13, 2009, 05:17 PM

Quote from: SalahuddinR on February 13, 2009, 05:08 PM
"Just to sodomize his goats? That would do nothing to stop Islam."

What do you mean JUST? is this common place to you? plus, i like goats. and who wants to "stop" islam? lol

by the way, i asked you to answer my questions as a muslim/christian/theist.

As a Muslim, no. I would not let this guy travel in time to sodomize Mohammad's goats.

As a Christian, I would also not allow a man to go back in time to sodomize Mohammed's goats.

Also, as a Christian, I would have an ethical problem with time travel.

As an atheist ex-Muslim, I would want him to go back into time and warn Mohammed not to believe his voices....and tell Kadijah to stop encouraging him. If neither worked, then I would instruct that he shoot Mohammad.

Then again, out of that, a worse than Mohammad could come....so I'd have to rethink it, even as an atheist.
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Reply #12 - February 13, 2009, 05:19 PM

What is wrong for a Christian with Time travel?
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Reply #13 - February 13, 2009, 05:20 PM

Quote from: SalahuddinR on February 13, 2009, 05:13 PM
Quote from: Shaneequa on February 13, 2009, 05:09 PM
Quote from: Rashna on February 13, 2009, 05:00 PM
Shaneequa,

If you saw Jesus dragging the Jewish people who you claim to love to Hell, for not believing in Him after they'd been tortured by Anti Christ, would you stop Jesus?

I would not be able to. Nobody would. A word from his mouth is stronger than all the armies in the world...even the hosts of heaven.
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If you saw your belief proved false and the actual God being YHWH or Allah who'd drag you to Hell, would you plead with them to spare you, as you were genuinely mistaken?

Yes.

excellent! and you're sure the Shinto are wrong about their god(s)? and the hindus too...?

what if whichever non-christian god you came across said he would have forgiven you but you pissed him/her/it off by constantly praying to the wrong god? wouldn't you change your ways here and now?

No....because I wouldn't know to do it in this life-time....and besides, the hindu god would reincarnate me....and I don't know about the shintu god....would he not reincarnate me too? I'd be a dallit with the former, but at least be on a pathway to "enlightenment".
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Reply #14 - February 13, 2009, 05:23 PM

Quote from: Calm on February 13, 2009, 05:19 PM
What is wrong for a Christian with Time travel?

It would be a form of doubting God's sovereignty, and acting as I know better than God.
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Reply #15 - February 13, 2009, 05:26 PM

Now I AM fuckin offended that you think I fuck goats cause I don't.. I romance them first and then we 'make love'

I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
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Reply #16 - February 13, 2009, 05:32 PM

Quote from: Anti-Jihadist on February 13, 2009, 05:26 PM
Now I AM fuckin offended that you think I fuck goats cause I don't.. I romance them first and then we 'make love'

Ofcourse! I always have imagined you to be a gentleman.

I just do not believe sodomizing Mohammad's goats would cause any change on Mohammad. If anything, he may kill the goat-sodomizer for not first asking his permission....or for sodomizing the wrong goat.

Then again, I don't know how Mohammad felt about these things, only what some modern Shiite leaders say.
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Reply #17 - February 13, 2009, 05:48 PM

If my life was on the line, I would stand by my own principles. I wouldn't convert.

If the life of a loved one was on the line, I'd convert to save their lives.

Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
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Reply #18 - February 13, 2009, 05:50 PM

When the two American (or were they British) reporters, converted to Islam and were set free, I did not blame them one bit. Most journalists are not born-again, and if one is not born again, it is better to whatever one can to save one's life.

A few Christians blamed them. That caused me to wonder more about the Christians than it did the reporters.
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Reply #19 - February 13, 2009, 05:52 PM

Quote from: Tommy on February 13, 2009, 05:48 PM
If my life was on the line, I would stand by my own principles. I wouldn't convert.

If the life of a loved one was on the line, I'd convert to save their lives.

That's noble, but I hope a Christian would offer to take your place....and they would let you go.
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Reply #20 - February 13, 2009, 06:08 PM

Quote from: Shaneequa on February 13, 2009, 05:52 PM
Quote from: Tommy on February 13, 2009, 05:48 PM
If my life was on the line, I would stand by my own principles. I wouldn't convert.

If the life of a loved one was on the line, I'd convert to save their lives.

That's noble, but I hope a Christian would offer to take your place....and they would let you go.

And when the wrathful Jesus come around to drag all the non-believers (unless they convert) to hell, who would be there to take my place?

Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
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Reply #21 - February 13, 2009, 06:10 PM

Quote from: Tommy on February 13, 2009, 06:08 PM
Quote from: Shaneequa on February 13, 2009, 05:52 PM
Quote from: Tommy on February 13, 2009, 05:48 PM
If my life was on the line, I would stand by my own principles. I wouldn't convert.

If the life of a loved one was on the line, I'd convert to save their lives.

That's noble, but I hope a Christian would offer to take your place....and they would let you go.

And when the wrathful Jesus come around to drag all the non-believers (unless they convert) to hell, who would be there to take my place?

No-one. By then it would be too late.
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Reply #22 - February 13, 2009, 06:13 PM

Quote from: Tommy on February 13, 2009, 06:08 PM
Quote from: Shaneequa on February 13, 2009, 05:52 PM
Quote from: Tommy on February 13, 2009, 05:48 PM
If my life was on the line, I would stand by my own principles. I wouldn't convert.

If the life of a loved one was on the line, I'd convert to save their lives.

That's noble, but I hope a Christian would offer to take your place....and they would let you go.

And when the wrathful Jesus come around to drag all the non-believers (unless they convert) to hell, who would be there to take my place?

Even a Christian wouldn't be able to. Our human blood is not holy to redeem another sinner's soul.
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Reply #23 - February 13, 2009, 06:17 PM

The apostle Paul said if it were possible, he would accept eternal damnation to save a sinner, but it isn't possible.
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Reply #24 - February 13, 2009, 06:20 PM

Hey Shan, how can you believe in god and not in Satan ? .......

go read your very own buy bull carefully and ask yourself this question: why god has killed so many more people in the bible vs satan. Btw last I check satan only killed 10 people in the whole book. god killed somewhere around 30 million.

I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
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Reply #25 - February 13, 2009, 06:27 PM

Quote from: Anti-Jihadist on February 13, 2009, 06:20 PM
Hey Shan, how can you believe in god and not in Satan ? .......

go read your very own buy bull carefully and ask yourself this question: why god has killed so many more people in the bible vs satan. Btw last I check satan only killed 10 people in the whole book. god killed somewhere around 30 million.

Who said I don't believe in Satan? Ofcourse I do. When God killed all these people, who says he didn't use Satan and the demons? Who were these "angels of death" he sent to Egypt to kill all the first-borns?
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Reply #26 - February 13, 2009, 06:35 PM

you tell me shan

I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
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Reply #27 - February 13, 2009, 06:35 PM

besides don't you think satan is more merciful/compassionate than god ?

I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
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Reply #28 - February 13, 2009, 06:47 PM

Quote from: Anti-Jihadist on February 13, 2009, 06:35 PM
besides don't you think satan is more merciful/compassionate than god ?

Absolutely not!
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Reply #29 - February 13, 2009, 06:57 PM

Quote from: Anti-Jihadist on February 13, 2009, 06:35 PM
you tell me shan

More than either your or I can count.
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