When I made the comment I did put in brackets (especially Christianity). But my point remains, why should even Christians and Jews not be permitted to point out the problems with Islam even though they themselves have inconsistencies in their religion?
Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with devout Christians and Jews expressing their opinions on Islam
Please let us know who said that? If you are unable to do that, then please resubmit your post with these statements changed as it unfortunately formed the basis of your reply. Once you feel it is correct, then I am happy to reply.
Also did you intentionally ignore my question re. FFI, or was it an oversight?
No one said it specifically, but people do give out that vibe in their comments (I won't mention names as to not insult anyone) and others have picked up on it and made threads/comments about it.
I said you were excluded from this generalisation but there is an unwelcoming vibe towards that group-just an obervation btw.
I didnt read your comment on FFI my mistake, I didnt see your long comment posted above in its entirety, I will go back and re-address it now.
On the bar attcks against women in India "Whoever has done this has done a good job. Girls going to pubs is not acceptable. So, whatever the Sena members did was right."
Also please refrain from making such generalizations and then arguing on those wrong inferences. Firstly I am not an atheist, I am currently agnostic. Secondly I have already said that Islam has more to answer for than most religions, but that does not mean they have nothing to answer for?
Attacks against women in India if I understand the situation correctly are more to do with culture than religion. In Islamic countries the culture is derived from the religion and therefore the two are codependant. This is the differance. Of course those attacks are horrific but they aren't tied to a text
Sorry, agnostic. Of course other religions have things to answer for, but they pale in comparison and that's why I personally don't bother. But that doesn't mean that if someone (who claims to be a Christian for example) comes here and makes a few comments about Islam (without mentioning Christianity) he should be attacked furiously about Christianity. This is pointless, this is what some are suggesting "dont mention Islam if there are shortcomings in your own religion" we shouldnt take this view.
By the way I come on this site because I like it, FFI has plenty of shortcomings as well, but I won't mention them on here because it's not the right place. I can browse on two forums even if they have differant tones can't I?
They can point them out, it just depends how its done. If someone is dissing the Qur'an in one breath and preaching the Bible in the next it looks like hypocrisy. They're not going to have their posts censored or anything, but you can't expect people to take them seriously either.
Agreed, but I don't see this done in practice.
And the God of the Old Testament is very different to the God of the New Testament. The God of the Qur'an is more similar to the OT, so maybe its Christianity which is the odd religion out, not Islam.
Anyway, Abrahamic faiths is generally understood to mean Judaism, Christianity and Islam, not just by muslims and liberals, that is the commonly used definition of the term
Reform and other refined forms of Judaism take into account the nature of the old Testament and neutralise the negative features for the most part. The only dangers most religious Jews are, is to themselves.
The word of the OT is also Godly inspired and not directly from God, therefore it makes a big differance on the impact on religion. Also, Jewish teachers rarely rely on such stories for moral inspiration/they cut parts out, Muslim teachers on the other hand love using Quranic stories in sermons and speeches. Note the differance?
Anyway, I know the usage of Abrahamic religions today covers all three, but I personally think this is unfair. I don't really want to debate the similarities and differances between the religions but I can tell you Islam is definitely differant to the other two-very differant.
A.Ghazali, I feel I covered most of your points in my response to Cheetah, if I havent, I apologise and please let me know.
But, I will cover this:
It adheres more closely to the Abrahamic traditions.
- Stoning, Find me a Jew that has stoned someone in their lifetime and you win a prize. Also, is stoning legal in the only Jewish state on earth?- Halaal/Kosher (no blood), Who cares?
- No pork, Who cares?
- Invasion of any group that rubs you the wrong way, So Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia now belong to Israel? This is bullshit, we are talking about modern context not old Bible stories which no one reads anymore
- Slavery There are slaves all over the Arab world in the form of South East Asian and African workers. How many slaves exist in the West/Israel?
- Hell (not so much Judaism) So? If someone wants to believe they are going to a massive BBQ orgy after they die, what does that hurt anyone else in society?
So Christianity didn't hijack Judaism as a basis for its new found cult? It used the OT to justify its trumped up prophecies for its messiah and sanction its existence as an established faith. There are some ways to argue that Christianity is a continuation with scriptures, "prophecies" etc, there are no such things in Islam
I have covered each point in bold
Regards
Topic: Why can't we criticize Islam?