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  • "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     OP - March 07, 2009, 04:55 AM

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    UN anti-blasphemy measures have sinister goals, observers say
     
    Islamic countries Monday won United Nations backing for an anti-blasphemy measure Canada and other Western critics say risks being used to limit freedom of speech.


    UNITED NATIONS - Islamic countries Monday won United Nations backing for an anti-blasphemy measure Canada and other Western critics say risks being used to limit freedom of speech.

    Combating Defamation of Religions passed 85-50 with 42 abstentions in a key UN General Assembly committee, and will enter into the international record after an expected rubber stamp by the plenary later in the year.

    But while the draft?s sponsors say it and earlier similar measures are aimed at preventing violence against worshippers regardless of religion, religious tolerance advocates warn the resolutions are being accumulated for a more sinister goal.

    "It provides international cover for domestic anti-blasphemy laws, and there are a number of people who are in prison today because they have been accused of committing blasphemy," said Bennett Graham, international program director with the Becket Fund, a think tank aimed at promoting religious liberty.

    "Those arrests are made legitimate by the UN body's (effective) stamp of approval."

    Passage of the resolution is part of a 10-year action plan the 57-state Organization of Islamic Conference launched in 2005 to ensure "renaissance" of the "Muslim Ummah" or community.

    While the current resolution is non-binding, Pakistan's Ambassador Masood Khan reminded the UN?s Human Rights Council this year that the OIC ultimately seeks a "new instrument or convention" on the issue. Such a measure would impose its terms on signatory states.

    "Each time the resolution comes up, we get a measure of where the world is on this issue, and we see that the campaign has been ramped up,? said Hillel Neuer, executive director of the Geneva-based monitoring group UN Watch.

    While this year's draft is less Islam-centric that resolutions of earlier years, analysts note it is more emphatic in linking religion defamation and incitement to violence.

    That "risks limiting a broad range of peaceful speech and expression," Neuer argues.

    The 2008 draft "underscores the need to combat defamation of religions, and incitement to religious hatred in general, by strategizing and harmonizing actions at the local, national regional and international levels."

    It also laments "Islam is frequently and wrongly associated with human rights violations and terrorism."

    But Western democracies argue that a religion can?t enjoy protection from criticism because that would require a judicial ruling that its teachings are the "truth."

    "Defamation carries a particular legal meaning and application in domestic systems that makes the term wholly unsuitable in the context of religions," says the U.S. government in a response on the issue to the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.

    "A defamatory statement . . . is more than just an offensive one. It is also a statement that is false."

    The paper also points out the legal difficulty of even defining the term "defamation" since "one individual's sincere belief that his or her creed alone is the truth conflicts with another's sincerely held view of the truth."

    Yemen, on behalf of OIC, successfully introduced the measure to the UN General Assembly for the first time in 2005 after Pakistan first tabled it 1999 for annual consideration in the Human Rights Commission - the Council's forerunner.

    Canada and other Western countries emphasize the distinction between granting an "idea" rights - and defending the right of people not to be discriminated against.

    "Canada rejects the basic premise that religions have rights; human rights belong to human beings," said Catherine Loubier, spokeswoman for Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon.

    "The focus (here) should not be on protecting religions, but rather on protecting the rights of the adherents of religions, including of people belonging to religious minorities, or people who may choose to change their religion, or not to practice religion at all."

    Muslim countries say they are only trying to cut down of what they see as extensive bias against Islam in the West. In the lead-up to Monday's vote, many referred, for example, to the 2005 publication of Danish cartoons that satirized Muhammad, and which touched off riots through the Muslim world.

    "Everybody is aware that there is a campaign in certain media to fuel the fire of incitement to hatred and to disfigure certain persons or figures through caricature," said one Sudanese diplomat.

    But supporters of the Western position say the resolution and its predecessors contribute to increasing discrimination based on religion.

    "From the human rights side of things, this is the opposite of what is supposed to be happening," said Becket's Graham. "Instead of protecting an individual, this resolution protects an idea, and relies on hurt feelings as a source of judgment. It can only lead to a jurisprudence of hurt feelings."

    Canada says governments have abused laws against defamation or contempt of religions to "prosecute and imprison journalists, bloggers, academics students and peaceful political dissidents."

    The Iranian parliament, for example, is currently weighing a draft amendment to its penal code that would impose capital punishment for apostasy.

    But in an irony given Canada's stance, an anti-blasphemy law remains in the Criminal Code. Experts point out it has not been used for a prosecution in more than 70 years.

    There's also consensus among opponents of the UN measure that people most likely to be targeted by anti-blasphemy laws are Muslims in Muslim countries.

    "Pakistan has the (toughest) anti-blasphemy laws, and while they are certainly used against lots of minority religions, they are used mainly against Muslims," said Graham.

    "They have been used to intimidate business partners, suppress any reformist ideas, jail people who discuss women's rights."

    But he also noted that anti-blasphemy themes have been cited in countries that are predominantly non-Muslim.

    "There are cases in Russia dealing people suing TV stations for airing South Park and the Simpsons because they see them as defamatory to Christianity," he explained.

    "A lot of the violence in India dealing with Hindus and Christians is being spurred on by accusations that Hindu gods are being defamed, while there are also cases against artists in India for depicting Hindu gods in modernist way."

    (c) CanWest MediaWorks Publications Inc.



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  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #1 - March 07, 2009, 06:08 AM

    Yeah, the OIC has been turning the UNHRC into a complete mockery of what it was intended to be. If they get their way even criticising sharia, let alone Islam itself, will become a breach of UN conventions. Needless to say this has very bad implications for human rights in general, particularly for those in Islamic countries.

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  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #2 - March 07, 2009, 06:33 AM

    So many people seem to be turning into dhimmis mentally-now turning them into dhimmis physically will be a lot easier.

    I don't consider it an act of tolerance to forbid Islamic blasphemy-its an act of downright submission & its a sad state of the world's affairs when the biggest & most influential institutions globally induge this attitude of Muslims instead of condemning them for it.

    As the saying goes, "Civilizations fall by suicide, not murder."  whistling2

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #3 - March 07, 2009, 06:43 AM

    The thing is that the institution in question is democratic so it all comes down to how many votes you can muster. Unlike the Security Council there are no vetoing votes on the HRC.

    Given that the Catholic church loves this sort of ruling, and so do the hardline Shia and Sunni factions, they are prepared to work with each other on this even though they despise each other in many ways.

    This started happening around the time of the original Cairo "Declaration of Islamic Human Rights". All the backward bastards in the world ganged up to stymie another declaration (can't remember which offhand) that would have given UN approval to contraception and abortion rights and other things critical to the advancement of women.

    This was just after Dubya's famous "Axis of Evil" shit and the Catholic/Sunni/Shia coalition got dubbed the "Axis of Medieval". Sums them up rather well.  

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  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #4 - March 07, 2009, 07:24 AM

    Yep, many European Christians' sorta thank Muslims' for bringing God back to the Continent, however different that God is. They gang up with these Muslims over the mutual support for precious traditional values against the decadent Left who's trying to foist their depraved morality over the pious patriarchal societies of Muslims & hardline Christians'.

    However, friendship doesn't last long. Once these Christians' try to introduce their new best friends' to Christ, they quickly figured out that mutual obsession over female chastity & breeding for God leads one only so far. So they fight for converts in Nigeria & other parts of Africa, increasing the misery of Africans already suffering mightily due to the AIDS epidemic.

    Sad, sad situation.

    I would be sad to be deprived of The Satanic Verses, & maybe "The Da Vinci Code" will be the next one to go. Already there were mighty protests over Phillip Pullman's fantastic Dark Materials' Trilogy.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #5 - March 07, 2009, 07:41 AM

    Anyone who protests over Pullman's books needs to be shot. They're bloody fantastic IMO.
    Pullman for Pope (and Grand Ayatollah)!

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  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #6 - March 07, 2009, 11:28 AM

    What was the last time the UN did something good?

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    Combating Defamation of Religions passed 85-50 with 42 abstentions in a key UN General Assembly committee, and will enter into the international record after an expected rubber stamp by the plenary later in the year.

    To hell with democracy... it seems even in the West, critics of Islam will be persecuted from now on. When do we start creating underground clubs and secret fraternities, I wonder?

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #7 - March 07, 2009, 11:48 AM

    When do we start creating underground clubs and secret fraternities, I wonder?


    Remember the role underground clubs & secret fraternities played in the French Revolution? It seemed in 18th century Europe that tyrannical monarchs ruling due to their Divine Right will always exist while their poor subjects will eternally live in abject misery, yet French philosophers discussed their revolutionary ideas about absolute equality in their societies, which soon permeated the consciousness of the common people...

    The rest as they say is history...

    Maybe underground clubs & secret societies will do the trick once more? Wink

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #8 - March 07, 2009, 11:56 AM

    'It also laments "Islam is frequently and wrongly associated with human rights violations and terrorism."'

    There's a bloody good reason for that too! I wonder what's going to happen to democracy in the next few years. The world seems to be going backwards.
  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #9 - March 07, 2009, 12:01 PM

    Is there a way of finding out which countries voted for this?
  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #10 - March 07, 2009, 12:04 PM

    Maybe underground clubs & secret societies will do the trick once more? Wink

    We will see. However, the French Revolution didn't just spontaneously occur. First of all we need brave intellectuals and the free circulation of ideas. Also, the common rabble must be convinced that Islamic tyrants are the first and foremost source of their problems. Finally, we need sufficient armament and manpower to overthrow Islamic institutions.

    It won't be easy. The closest example I can think up of is Iran, but dissidents in Iran do not have enough weaponry, and they are not centrally organised. That, and the government managed to garner some patriotic support recently, thanks to the nuclear arms charade.

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #11 - March 07, 2009, 12:11 PM

    'It also laments "Islam is frequently and wrongly associated with human rights violations and terrorism."'

    There's a bloody good reason for that too!

     Afro It seems the more innocent people are killed in various parts of the world by Islamist terrorists- the more Muslims manage to feel sorry for themselves, instead of feeling sorry for the victims-ie if they aren't busy spinning conspiracy theories about terrorist attacks.

    The world is trying more than enough to accomodate the demands of Muslims, despite the violence & whining. Its time to tell them to shape up. Islamists seem to feel entitled to subservience from the rest of the world. As H.L. Mencken succintly put it, "We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only to the extent that we respect his belief that his wife is beautiful & his children smart."

    We don't really know how beautiful the Taliban's & other Islamists wives' are, thanks to the dreadful hijabs & niqabs, & their children aren't likely to turn out very smart if they learn such shit in madrassas where Jews, Christians,idolaters & uncovered women are castigated daily- but we do know enough about their religion & their interpretation of it to realise how ugly & malevolent it is & how potentially harmful to the rest of us! So its time we stopped respecting it, & demand that it respect us as well. finmad

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #12 - March 07, 2009, 12:23 PM

    So its time we stopped respecting it, & demand that it respect us as well. finmad

    Couldn't have put it better myself! It seems the UN is only interested in serving the rights of one group. Forgot about everybody else!

    I wonder why 42 countries abstained from the vote? This is a serious issue! This article was from last year, I wonder a bigger deal hasn't been made of this?
  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #13 - March 11, 2009, 11:31 AM

    Has this law actually passed? I haven't seen anyone being arrested for blasphemy. Where is this law being used?
  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #14 - March 11, 2009, 12:58 PM

    Does this law means most of the topics we post are illegal?

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  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution
     Reply #15 - March 11, 2009, 01:07 PM

    No, it doesn't.  The UN doesn't have the power to pass laws, it just passes resolutions which individual countries choose to ratify or not.  The countries that do ratify then choose their own way of going about harmonising their laws with the resolution.

    Basically, if you live in Europe or North America, this resolution will make no difference to your life whatsoever.  If you live in Saudi Arabia, Iran or possibly even Turkey, this resolution has just given your government a veneer of international respectability in their efforts to punish thought crimes and crush dissent among their own people. 

    Any democratic government who colluded in this, either with a yes vote or an abstention, should be strung up for moral cowardice.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution
     Reply #16 - March 11, 2009, 01:10 PM

    No, it doesn't.  The UN doesn't have the power to pass laws, it just passes resolutions which individual countries choose to ratify or not.  The countries that do ratify then choose their own way of going about harmonising their laws with the resolution.

    Basically, if you live in Europe or North America, this resolution will make no difference to your life whatsoever.  If you live in Saudi Arabia, Iran or possibly even Turkey, this resolution has just given your government a veneer of international respectability in their efforts to punish thought crimes and crush dissent among their own people. 

    Any democratic government who colluded in this, either with a yes vote or an abstention, should be strung up for moral cowardice.

    Thanks, this thread has now ruined my day..

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  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #17 - March 11, 2009, 01:11 PM

    Ah, thanks Cheetah.
  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #18 - March 12, 2009, 11:54 AM

    We give the "UN" the power to make Dhimmis of dissenters & apostates in Muslim states! Are the rights of fanatic Mullahs & pro Shariah Muslims  greater than that of non Muslims? Is this the job of an "International Organization/"

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    The "circulation" has been released. http://www.unwatch.org/site/c.bdKKISNqEmG/b.1289203/apps/s/content.asp?ct=6831061

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  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #19 - March 12, 2009, 12:18 PM

    Democracy has failed to protect those most in need. How shitty.
  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #20 - March 12, 2009, 12:29 PM

    Since when dous the UN interfere in religious topics?

    "We are never deceived, we deceive ourselves." - from Goethes Faust
    "Only the wisest and the stupidest men never change." - Confuzios
    "there is no religion of peace, only people who are peaceful while being religious."
  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #21 - March 14, 2009, 11:09 PM

    Since it became dominated by a religious agenda. Unfortunate, but true.

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  • Re: "Screw Your Free Speech!" U.N. to impose binding "anti-blasphemy" resolution.
     Reply #22 - March 15, 2009, 09:52 AM

    The UN must be abolished. It serves no real purpose.

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
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