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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #180 - March 20, 2009, 11:01 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on March 20, 2009, 10:51 PM
    Perhaps some here will tell you it does do some good - but in my experience is only pisses people off and makes any valid criticisms of Islam fly right over most Muslims head.

    I think people need to ask themselves is their aim to simply to vent their disgust, anger and score points - or do they really want to try and make the world a better place by reaching people?

    This is not about venting disgust Hassan, this is about calling a spade a spade. I have previously stated that avoiding the label "pedophile" for diplomatic reasons can be acceptable, but denying a simple fact so as not to "alienate Muslims" is outright dishonest.

    Mohammad's pedophilia is a very valid criticism of Islam.
    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #181 - March 20, 2009, 11:03 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man
    Has there been a single internet post of this type (of the undoubtedly millions on the internet) that has done one single thing to improve the status of women, homosexuals, religious minorities, atheists and other non-conformers in the Muslim world?

    No details but I'm already doing my fair share of political activism, working with secularists, etc.

    Have you done anything at all in your life to improve the status of the afore-mentioned groups under Islam, Q-Man?
    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #182 - March 20, 2009, 11:11 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on March 20, 2009, 10:57 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on March 20, 2009, 10:51 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on March 20, 2009, 10:42 PM
    Has there been a single internet post of this type (of the undoubtedly millions on the internet) that has done one single thing to improve the status of women, homosexuals, religious minorities, atheists and other non-conformers in the Muslim world? Or does it just piss people off?


    Perhaps some here will tell you it does do some good - but in my experience is only pisses people off and makes any valid criticisms of Islam fly right over most Muslims head.

    I think people need to ask themselves is their aim to simply to vent their disgust, anger and score points - or do they really want to try and make the world a better place by reaching people?


    Bwhahahahaha! This is the internet, brother-- what do you think? Smiley The vast majority of people on ANY internet forum who profess to be "fighting for" or "fighting against" this or that thing are just a bunch of cranks whining online who's activism rarely goes beyond their keyboard, and when it does, is completely ineffectual or even counterproductive. This seems to be universally true, regardless of the belief system of the person posting. Not to say there aren't any people online who are making a difference in the real world, but speaking for myself, these forums are just a place to satisfy some intellectual curiosity, flex my brain and debating skills a bit and otherwise shoot the shit/kill time.


    Yes, I have to say I agree with you.
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #183 - March 20, 2009, 11:17 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on March 20, 2009, 10:42 PM

    Okay, good points, but I guess I've just never understood the obsession some people have with this topic-- do people think that shouting "Mohammed was a pedo!" all over the internet is going to lead to millions of Muslims saying "You know, they're right-- we should dump/reform this bullshit religion!"? Seems to me that attacking the holiest prophet of a religion is very unlikely to lead to the necessary reforms of that religion-- in fact, it seems the opposite is likely. Has there been a single internet post of this type (of the undoubtedly millions on the internet) that has done one single thing to improve the status of women, homosexuals, religious minorities, atheists and other non-conformers in the Muslim world? Or does it just piss people off?

    It's easy to become overwhelmed by the scale of the problem, but that fact is that individuals always make the choice to follow a man like Muhammad. You can convince them 1 by 1 with these polemics, and yes, I've seem some defenders of Islam become convinced.
    "It may happen that the enemies of Islam may consider it expedient not to take any action against Islam, if Islam leaves them alone in their geographical boundaries... But Islam cannot agree to this unless they submit to its authority by paying Jizyah"

    -Sayyid Qutb, Milestones
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #184 - March 20, 2009, 11:19 PM
    Quote from: Zaephon on March 20, 2009, 11:03 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man
    Has there been a single internet post of this type (of the undoubtedly millions on the internet) that has done one single thing to improve the status of women, homosexuals, religious minorities, atheists and other non-conformers in the Muslim world?

    No details but I'm already doing my fair share of political activism, working with secularists, etc.

    Have you done anything at all in your life to improve the status of the afore-mentioned groups under Islam, Q-Man?


    No, in that regard, I have done absolutely nothing. Well, maybe that's not entirely true, I did bring some union brothers and sisters to an event with Iraqi union activists/IFC members. But other than that, no.

    A couple of things to keep in mind when discussing stuff with me...

    1) I really don't care much what people I encounter online are doing offline unless it involves giving me money or a BJ. As I said above, I'm just here to shoot the shit.

    2) I was born with a very specific and rare birth defect that prevents me from feeling shame for the most part, especially amongst people who are not family or close friends. Smiley
    fuck you
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #185 - March 20, 2009, 11:25 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man
    1) I really don't care much what people I encounter online are doing offline unless it involves giving me money or a BJ. As I said above, I'm just here to shoot the shit.

    Then maybe you should avoid making imaginary statements about people you don't really know well.
    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #186 - March 20, 2009, 11:43 PM
    Quote from: Zaephon on March 20, 2009, 11:25 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man
    1) I really don't care much what people I encounter online are doing offline unless it involves giving me money or a BJ. As I said above, I'm just here to shoot the shit.

    Then maybe you should avoid making imaginary statements about people you don't really know well.


    Nah, that's okay...I'll continue to pronounce general judgments upon people I've never met...you see, this is the beauty of the internet and, I believe, a major reason why most of us spend time here. But your advice is duly noted-- hopefully you are not too offended that I've moved it to the "rejected" column. Wink
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #187 - March 21, 2009, 01:01 AM
    Quote from: Q-Man
    Okay, good points, but I guess I've just never understood the obsession some people have with this topic-- do people think that shouting "Mohammed was a pedo!" all over the internet is going to lead to millions of Muslims saying "You know, they're right-- we should dump/reform this bullshit religion!"? Seems to me that attacking the holiest prophet of a religion is very unlikely to lead to the necessary reforms of that religion-- in fact, it seems the opposite is likely. Has there been a single internet post of this type (of the undoubtedly millions on the internet) that has done one single thing to improve the status of women, homosexuals, religious minorities, atheists and other non-conformers in the Muslim world? Or does it just piss people off?


    Mohammed's paedophilia is like any other subject which can cause offense, hurt, denial, etc to other people.  IOW, it depends how it is approached - sure you can behave like an idiot running round shouting about paedo Mo, but if you get any response at all it will just turn into a slanging match.  Or you can take the cowardly route and not mention it at all, because its a "sensitive" subject.  Or you can approach it in a calm, rational and diplomatic manner, and if your listener is intelligent and honest you will get through to him.  I've come across several ex-muslims who quoted that as one of the reasons, (although not the only one),  which gave them second thoughts about their religion.  For example.....

    Quote from: Hassan
    I remember one conversation I had in particular. They were discusing aisha being 9. I knew there were contray hadiths and stuff, but I decided I wasn't going to get into all that I would accept that she was 9, but I tried to argue that this was a different time and this was acceptable then. Someone then asked me "Do you think it is acceptable now" I had to be honest and say no. I was actually teaching a class of 9 year-olds in Islamia school and I knew none of those little kids were ready for marriage in any way.

    The person then said then Muhammad cannot be an example for all times and all places can he.

    I simply had no answer - he was right - end of story.

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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #188 - March 21, 2009, 11:01 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on March 21, 2009, 01:01 AM
    Quote from: Q-Man
    Okay, good points, but I guess I've just never understood the obsession some people have with this topic-- do people think that shouting "Mohammed was a pedo!" all over the internet is going to lead to millions of Muslims saying "You know, they're right-- we should dump/reform this bullshit religion!"? Seems to me that attacking the holiest prophet of a religion is very unlikely to lead to the necessary reforms of that religion-- in fact, it seems the opposite is likely. Has there been a single internet post of this type (of the undoubtedly millions on the internet) that has done one single thing to improve the status of women, homosexuals, religious minorities, atheists and other non-conformers in the Muslim world? Or does it just piss people off?


    Mohammed's paedophilia is like any other subject which can cause offense, hurt, denial, etc to other people.  IOW, it depends how it is approached - sure you can behave like an idiot running round shouting about paedo Mo, but if you get any response at all it will just turn into a slanging match.  Or you can take the cowardly route and not mention it at all, because its a "sensitive" subject.  Or you can approach it in a calm, rational and diplomatic manner, and if your listener is intelligent and honest you will get through to him.  I've come across several ex-muslims who quoted that as one of the reasons, (although not the only one),  which gave them second thoughts about their religion.  For example.....

    Quote from: Hassan
    I remember one conversation I had in particular. They were discusing aisha being 9. I knew there were contray hadiths and stuff, but I decided I wasn't going to get into all that I would accept that she was 9, but I tried to argue that this was a different time and this was acceptable then. Someone then asked me "Do you think it is acceptable now" I had to be honest and say no. I was actually teaching a class of 9 year-olds in Islamia school and I knew none of those little kids were ready for marriage in any way.

    The person then said then Muhammad cannot be an example for all times and all places can he.

    I simply had no answer - he was right - end of story.



    Yes, and I have always said it is an important subject as regards Islam's claim that Muhammad is the perfect example for all time and all places.

    But like you say it should be raised intelligently.
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #189 - March 21, 2009, 06:44 PM
    An excellent article from the now defunct freethoughtmecca site.

  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #190 - March 21, 2009, 06:59 PM
    There's this hadith in Sahih Bukhari, the most famous collection of hadiths.
    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 16:

    Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:

    While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?"

    Why did Mohammed even recommend virgin girls rather than matrons, the benefit of marrying a "virgin" being that she might play with him? This language is slightly disturbing to say the least.  Tongue
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #191 - March 21, 2009, 08:33 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 21, 2009, 06:59 PM
    There's this hadith in Sahih Bukhari, the most famous collection of hadiths.
    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 16:

    Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:

    While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?"

    Why did Mohammed even recommend virgin girls rather than matrons, the benefit of marrying a "virgin" being that she might play with him? This language is slightly disturbing to say the least.  Tongue



    I think you are missing the main point of this story. The lesson is not about marrying virgins. The moral is that camels are lazy, so if you are in a big hurry to get home and bang your wife, you should get a horse, or better yet a Dodge Charger.
    fuck you
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #192 - March 21, 2009, 08:39 PM
    Quote from: Ansar al-Zindiqi on March 21, 2009, 06:44 PM
    An excellent article from the now defunct freethoughtmecca site.



    Actually, yeah, that article is quite awesome.
    fuck you
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #193 - March 22, 2009, 12:04 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on March 21, 2009, 08:33 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 21, 2009, 06:59 PM
    There's this hadith in Sahih Bukhari, the most famous collection of hadiths.
    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 16:

    Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:

    While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?"

    Why did Mohammed even recommend virgin girls rather than matrons, the benefit of marrying a "virgin" being that she might play with him? This language is slightly disturbing to say the least.  Tongue



    I think you are missing the main point of this story. The lesson is not about marrying virgins. The moral is that camels are lazy, so if you are in a big hurry to get home and bang your wife, you should get a horse, or better yet a Dodge Charger.


     Cheesy Regardless of whether I'm missing the main point of the story or not, the story doesn't end there in this particular hadith, it continues. The next part which I hadn't quoted  is in bold.
    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 16:
    Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:

    While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?" When we were about to enter (Medina), the Prophet said, "Wait so that you may enter (Medina) at night so that the lady of unkempt hair may comb her hair and the one whose husband has been absent may shave her pubic region.

    Camels are more conveninet than horses in many desert climates, & with the next part of the story, we can even conclude that the Prophet thought that its wrong to bang wives who haven't shaved their pubic regions!  Wink

    Course, these issues might not even arise if the bride is a 9 year old like Ayesha.  Tongue
    What is playing with virgins about?
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #194 - March 22, 2009, 12:20 PM
    Quote
    I think you are missing the main point of this story. The lesson is not about marrying virgins. The moral is that camels are lazy, so if you are in a big hurry to get home and bang your wife, you should get a horse, or better yet a Dodge Charger.

    Quote from: Rashna on March 22, 2009, 12:04 PM
    What is playing with virgins about?

    It was an innocent game called "Who's the daddy"
    Quote
    "Wait so that you may enter (Medina) at night so that the lady of unkempt hair may comb her hair and the one whose husband has been absent may shave her pubic region.[/b]

    I thought the moral of this story was that torture of camels was ok, provided you were in a hurry to give your wife a mohican?

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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #195 - March 22, 2009, 12:20 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 22, 2009, 12:04 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on March 21, 2009, 08:33 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 21, 2009, 06:59 PM
    There's this hadith in Sahih Bukhari, the most famous collection of hadiths.
    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 16:

    Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:

    While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?"

    Why did Mohammed even recommend virgin girls rather than matrons, the benefit of marrying a "virgin" being that she might play with him? This language is slightly disturbing to say the least.  Tongue



    I think you are missing the main point of this story. The lesson is not about marrying virgins. The moral is that camels are lazy, so if you are in a big hurry to get home and bang your wife, you should get a horse, or better yet a Dodge Charger.


     Cheesy Regardless of whether I'm missing the main point of the story or not, the story doesn't end there in this particular hadith, it continues. The next part which I hadn't quoted  is in bold.
    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 16:
    Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:

    While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?" When we were about to enter (Medina), the Prophet said, "Wait so that you may enter (Medina) at night so that the lady of unkempt hair may comb her hair and the one whose husband has been absent may shave her pubic region.

    Camels are more conveninet than horses in many desert climates, & with the next part of the story, we can even conclude that the Prophet thought that its wrong to bang wives who haven't shaved their pubic regions!  Wink

    Course, these issues might not even arise if the bride is a 9 year old like Ayesha.  Tongue
    What is playing with virgins about?


    So Moe liked shaved beaver. Nothin wrong with that.
    fuck you
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #196 - March 22, 2009, 12:49 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 22, 2009, 12:04 PM
    When we were about to enter (Medina), the Prophet said, "Wait so that you may enter (Medina) at night so that the lady of unkempt hair may comb her hair and the one whose husband has been absent may shave her pubic region.


    Double standards - what about the scraggly bits on the end of his chin? 
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #197 - March 23, 2009, 08:51 PM
    My native language is not english, and the first time a read this i actually thought it is the script of some weird porn. shame upon me  mysmilie_977
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #198 - March 24, 2009, 11:06 AM
    Quote from: Q-Man
    I think you are missing the main point of this story. The lesson is not about marrying virgins. The moral is that camels are lazy, so if you are in a big hurry to get home and bang your wife, you should get a horse, or better yet a Dodge Charger.

    Many of our criticisms of Islam are based on information gleaned from narrations where the important information was only tangential to the topic. Ibn Kathir's commentary about dolls and puberty is another example.

    In fact the Koran mentions sexual relations with pre-pubescent wives just in passing.

    This kind of harmful behaviour was normalized for Muhammad and his companions, so they didn't make a big deal out of it.
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #199 - March 24, 2009, 01:41 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 22, 2009, 12:04 PM
    Cheesy Regardless of whether I'm missing the main point of the story or not, the story doesn't end there in this particular hadith, it continues. The next part which I hadn't quoted  is in bold.
    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 16:
    Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:

    While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?" When we were about to enter (Medina), the Prophet said, "Wait so that you may enter (Medina) at night so that the lady of unkempt hair may comb her hair and the one whose husband has been absent may shave her pubic region.


    Did you miss out a part of that hadith? The one I read didn't mention that bold bit, mine carried on from the question asked before the bold bit.
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #200 - March 24, 2009, 02:06 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on March 24, 2009, 01:41 PM
    Did you miss out a part of that hadith? The one I read didn't mention that bold bit, mine carried on from the question asked before the bold bit.

    Bukhari book 62 (Kitab an-Nikah) number 16 has the "shaving" story, no. 17 is more to the point and just says:

    Quote
    Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?' 

     

    200 posts, and no Muslims have replied.
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #201 - March 24, 2009, 02:08 PM
    That's because there aren't many if any on this forum. Arab-Wannabee is a troll  who only likes playing games. BMZ should be ashamed to show his face, and I can't think of many others. Oh yeah, King Tut is in damnation.
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #202 - March 24, 2009, 02:10 PM
    You wont get many muslims visiting threads called 'Mohammad, the Pedophile'.
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #203 - March 24, 2009, 02:15 PM
    Quote from: FinallyFree on March 24, 2009, 02:08 PM
    That's because there aren't many if any on this forum. Arab-Wannabee is a troll  who only likes playing games. BMZ should be ashamed to show his face, and I can't think of many others. Oh yeah, King Tut is in damnation.

    When I knew AW as bloodcrazedmuslim (FFI forum), he struck me as being a decent guy... although he was always more focused on the treatment and image of Muslims than the teachings of Islam. And yeah, we don't have many Muslims here, although I saw some newcomers to FFI today.

    Quote from: PeruvianSkies
    You wont get many muslims visiting threads called 'Mohammad, the Pedophile'

    I've always seen them roll up in plentiful numbers to defend their Prophet, I would, if he was my Prophet.
    "It may happen that the enemies of Islam may consider it expedient not to take any action against Islam, if Islam leaves them alone in their geographical boundaries... But Islam cannot agree to this unless they submit to its authority by paying Jizyah"

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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #204 - March 24, 2009, 02:50 PM
    Quote from: Aksel Ankersen on March 24, 2009, 02:15 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies
    You wont get many muslims visiting threads called 'Mohammad, the Pedophile'

    I've always seen them roll up in plentiful numbers to defend their Prophet, I would, if he was my Prophet.

    But not by themselves on an anti-Islam forum. They will just think we are misguided and this site is full of bigots.
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #205 - March 24, 2009, 02:52 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on March 24, 2009, 02:50 PM
    Quote from: Aksel Ankersen on March 24, 2009, 02:15 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies
    You wont get many muslims visiting threads called 'Mohammad, the Pedophile'

    I've always seen them roll up in plentiful numbers to defend their Prophet, I would, if he was my Prophet.

    But not by themselves on an anti-Islam forum. They will just think we are misguided and this site is full of bigots.


    Yep that's the problem with debating online, no matter how convincing your argument is, many will always blindly ignore you as misguided or hateful.

    Plus you can't really debate in real life due to other reasons.

    Sometimes I think it's futile to care.
    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #206 - March 24, 2009, 04:03 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on March 24, 2009, 01:41 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 22, 2009, 12:04 PM
    Cheesy Regardless of whether I'm missing the main point of the story or not, the story doesn't end there in this particular hadith, it continues. The next part which I hadn't quoted  is in bold.
    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 16:
    Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:

    While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?" When we were about to enter (Medina), the Prophet said, "Wait so that you may enter (Medina) at night so that the lady of unkempt hair may comb her hair and the one whose husband has been absent may shave her pubic region.


    Did you miss out a part of that hadith? The one I read didn't mention that bold bit, mine carried on from the question asked before the bold bit.


    I didn't miss out, I was hesitant because of the soft porn nature of this part. I also didn't get what it meant when I read this about a year back...
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #207 - March 24, 2009, 04:08 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 24, 2009, 04:03 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on March 24, 2009, 01:41 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 22, 2009, 12:04 PM
    Cheesy Regardless of whether I'm missing the main point of the story or not, the story doesn't end there in this particular hadith, it continues. The next part which I hadn't quoted  is in bold.
    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 16:
    Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:

    While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?" When we were about to enter (Medina), the Prophet said, "Wait so that you may enter (Medina) at night so that the lady of unkempt hair may comb her hair and the one whose husband has been absent may shave her pubic region.


    Did you miss out a part of that hadith? The one I read didn't mention that bold bit, mine carried on from the question asked before the bold bit.


    I didn't miss out, I was hesitant because of the soft porn nature of this part. I also didn't get what it meant when I read this about a year back...

    In that case there is a separate hadith very similar to that but with a different ending. And don't worry about soft porn, I've posted much worse than that quite openly on here before Tongue
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #208 - March 24, 2009, 04:09 PM
    Quote from: FinallyFree on March 24, 2009, 02:52 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on March 24, 2009, 02:50 PM
    Quote from: Aksel Ankersen on March 24, 2009, 02:15 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies
    You wont get many muslims visiting threads called 'Mohammad, the Pedophile'

    I've always seen them roll up in plentiful numbers to defend their Prophet, I would, if he was my Prophet.

    But not by themselves on an anti-Islam forum. They will just think we are misguided and this site is full of bigots.


    Yep that's the problem with debating online, no matter how convincing your argument is, many will always blindly ignore you as misguided or hateful.

    Plus you can't really debate in real life due to other reasons.

    Sometimes I think it's futile to care.


    And you're right, it is Afro
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #209 - March 24, 2009, 05:07 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on March 24, 2009, 04:09 PM
    Quote from: FinallyFree on March 24, 2009, 02:52 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on March 24, 2009, 02:50 PM
    Quote from: Aksel Ankersen on March 24, 2009, 02:15 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies
    You wont get many muslims visiting threads called 'Mohammad, the Pedophile'

    I've always seen them roll up in plentiful numbers to defend their Prophet, I would, if he was my Prophet.

    But not by themselves on an anti-Islam forum. They will just think we are misguided and this site is full of bigots.


    Yep that's the problem with debating online, no matter how convincing your argument is, many will always blindly ignore you as misguided or hateful.

    Plus you can't really debate in real life due to other reasons.

    Sometimes I think it's futile to care.


    And you're right, it is Afro


    I admire your pessimism but I am yet to fail, first comes the failure, then comes the pessimism. I need to experience the failure myself first!
    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
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