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  • Pakistan to battle fundamentalism with science
     OP - March 14, 2009, 11:12 PM

    Pakistan to battle fundamentalism with science

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    THIS month will see my last two World lines columns for New Scientist which, judging by some of the email I have received, will be a source of celebration in some quarters. While I have sometimes used the opportunity afforded by this column to criticise developments that I perceive as dangerous - from governments cutting back on support for basic research, to creationists' meddling in school boards - this week I want to discuss a development I just learned about which is truly worth celebrating.

    Over recent years there has been much violence reported from the war in Afganistan against the fundamentalist Taliban, which has spilled over into Pakistan. But despite the military might we throw at the Taliban, winning the hearts and minds of the next generation in these regions may depend less on using bullets than books, and less on waging war than creating jobs. Educated minds are hopefully more open to the free exchange of ideas than minds that are closed in childhood. And gainful employment is often a cure for unrest and hatred.


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    Developments so far have been encouraging. More than $53 million in support has come in from individuals, government and industry - and world-class faculty are returning to Pakistan to participate in the new institution. Admission is merit-based and open to all, independent of gender and social or religious background, providing opportunities to outstanding students who need financial aid to make a new life.


    Sounds cool and hopefully it will work. It sure can't do any harm.  Afro

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Pakistan to battle fundamentalism with science
     Reply #1 - March 15, 2009, 01:13 AM

    Yes sounds good to me but surely this should have been in the plan from the start. It's a bit worrying that they are only doing this now. Rather late in the day if you ask me.

    Also it's worth pointing out that most of the terrorists from Bin Laden to the 7.7 boys were all well educated.

    Richard Dawkins tells a story about a gifted biology student who got his bible and went through it discarding all of the things that conflicted with his scientific world view. He realised he had nothing left so he jettisoned science and became a biblical literalist.

    Education is no guarantee against religious lunacy.
  • Re: Pakistan to battle fundamentalism with science
     Reply #2 - March 15, 2009, 01:59 AM

    Education sounds good, but simply training more professionals won't solve the problem of brain drain from Pakistan, Pakistan's stuttering economy is at the heart of the problem there.

    Also, it won't change the fact that the majority population of the NWFP are conservaive Sunni Pashtuns who often identify more closely with their (Taliban) neighbours over the border than with the rest of Pakistan - a fault line for the country to split if ever there was one.

    It's a matter of not just brains but hearts.

    "It may happen that the enemies of Islam may consider it expedient not to take any action against Islam, if Islam leaves them alone in their geographical boundaries... But Islam cannot agree to this unless they submit to its authority by paying Jizyah"

    -Sayyid Qutb, Milestones
  • Re: Pakistan to battle fundamentalism with science
     Reply #3 - March 15, 2009, 05:04 AM

    In the case of many Muslims as with many other religious folks, education is certainly no passport to Enlightenment, in fact in the case of Muslim fundamentalism & terrorism, education seems to have the opposite effect.

    Al Queda's second in command after Osama, is Ayman Zawahiri-who has a Masters degree in Surgery & is the son of a pharmacist & chemistry Professor father & comes from a family of doctors & other eminent professionals. How many Egyptians' can boast of this sort of educational achievements & family lineage?

    The Pakistani terrorist who murdered Daniel Pearl- Ahmed Omar Sheikh had a degree from the London School of Economics. Mohammed Atta of 9\11 fame also came from a similar high achieving academic background.

    A lot of people seem eager to blame Muslim terrorism on Muslim poverty or lack of opportunity or something similar- guess because thats' an easy answer & a politically correct one.

    Its near impossible in our world to be politically incorrect & place blame on the residue of hate in the Quran itself (similar to the Bible) & the violence in Prophet Mohammed's character, a speciality of the Quran. Those who claim jihad is a duty to fight our inner devils might offer an alternate interpretation, but all the references in the Sahih Bukhari & 1400 year of Muslim history make it a textually incorrect one & an ahistorical one.

    Further, there's the example of Prophet Mohammed, Christians' prone to violence were placated with, What would Jesus do?" & for all the violence in the OT, Christ's conduct is a very valid source of pacifism, while there are few acts of intolerance or violence that Mohammed abstained from.

    This school can churn out enlightened scholars who'll make a positive change in the society of Pakstan & the future Ummah, or it may make it unneccessary for the future Ahmed Omar Sheikh to go to London for his Economics degree, he can get his qualifications here & plan & carry out his attacks right on Pakistani soil as well.  Roll Eyes

    A platitude-without-thought syndrome seems to affect many intellectuals who aren't courageous enough to look at truths uncomfortable to their good selves. Most Muslim terrorists come from middle class backgrounds(science or engineering) who's angst comes from the unfortunate fact that they're losing their power over women & over other men-that Islam at least in its traditional forms seems to be dying & they make a last ditch attempt-through even appalling acts of terrorism & death threats to stall this death.

    The poor have enough worries regarding their day to day survival-these things don't bother them as much.

    At worst, since religion often plays a bigger part in their lives than the well to do-they may vote fundies into power or become foot soldiers in the global jihad, the uncomfortable truth is that the leaders are nearly  always a multi millionaire's son Osama or a surgeon Zawahiri.  whistling2

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Pakistan to battle fundamentalism with science
     Reply #4 - March 15, 2009, 10:19 AM

    In the case of many Muslims as with many other religious folks, education is certainly no passport to Enlightenment, in fact in the case of Muslim fundamentalism & terrorism, education seems to have the opposite effect.

    I wanted to bold this line in your introduction. I hold a very strong view that education and training are not the same. Training a human to become an engineer or a doctor or unfortunately as well sometimes a physicist, should not be confounded with educating that human.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Pakistan to battle fundamentalism with science
     Reply #5 - March 15, 2009, 12:43 PM

    Yes teaching someone to be a doctor or an engineer isn't the same as teaching critical thinking.
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