[11:18] marina/PeruvianSkies: you understand english, there are english tasfirs, try reading them
[11:18] marina/PeruvianSkies: or if you want, i know someone who speaks turkish
[11:18] marina/PeruvianSkies: ill direct you to him?
[11:18] marina/PeruvianSkies: or people who actually speak arabic?
[11:18] ebubekir: i cant understand english %100
if i know arabic %100 then i d read quran in arabic
[11:19] ebubekir: i know thousands of people who can speak turkish i guess i dont need it
[11:19] ebubekir:
[11:19] ebubekir: i live in turkey
[11:19] ebubekir: with 70 million
[11:19] marina/PeruvianSkies: hehe
[11:20] marina/PeruvianSkies: well its up to you if you want to check the source or not
[11:20] marina/PeruvianSkies: ive given you two reliable sites, theres nothing more i can provide
[11:21] ebubekir: like i said
if a girl is older than age of puberty than she can get marry
she is okay
west says 18
islam says being older than age of puberty
[11:21] ebubekir: i dont care about west
[11:21] marina/PeruvianSkies: as long as you dont marry off young kids, i have no problem
[11:21] marina/PeruvianSkies: islam says any age
[11:21] ebubekir: yeah any age
[11:21] ebubekir: it says
[11:21] ebubekir: age of puberty
[11:21] marina/PeruvianSkies: although puberty is usually too young anyway
[11:21] ebubekir: according to west
[11:22] marina/PeruvianSkies: also in the older days the age of puberty was much higher
[11:22] marina/PeruvianSkies: 9 is too young no matter where you are in the world
[11:22] ebubekir: u think like western
[11:22] ebubekir: u are western
[11:22] marina/PeruvianSkies: age of puberty used to be around 15-16 years
[11:22] ebubekir: i see
[11:22] ebubekir: not for grils
[11:22] marina/PeruvianSkies: meaning aisha probably hadnt reached puberty
[11:22] ebubekir: biology
[11:22] ebubekir: nah
[11:22] ebubekir: she did
[11:22] marina/PeruvianSkies: research history, the puberty age for girls has gone down
[11:22] ebubekir: certainly
[11:23] ebubekir: unless prophet d not get marry
[11:23] ebubekir: not in uae
[11:23] ebubekir: it depends on where girls live
[11:23] marina/PeruvianSkies: what about girls who reach puberty at 2 years old? it happens to some, are they ok to marry?
[11:23] ebubekir: nah thats not possible
[11:24] ebubekir: at least it is 9 or 10
[11:24] ebubekir: for girls who live in uae
[11:24] marina/PeruvianSkies: it is possible and well documented
[11:25] marina/PeruvianSkies:
http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/sexual/precocious.html[11:25] marina/PeruvianSkies: its called precocious puberty
[11:25] marina/PeruvianSkies: Precocious puberty ? the onset of signs of puberty before age 7 or 8 in girls and age 9 in boys ? can be physically and emotionally difficult for kids and can sometimes be the sign of an underlying health problem.
[11:26] marina/PeruvianSkies: the youngest girl to ever be pregnant was 5 years old
[11:26] marina/PeruvianSkies: do you think she was ready to have a child?
[11:26] ebubekir: look if she was not older than age of puberty prophet d not get marry with her
[11:26] marina/PeruvianSkies: or even ready for sex?
[11:26] ebubekir: she was sick i guess
[11:26] ebubekir: i am sure
[11:26] marina/PeruvianSkies: who was sick?
[11:26] ebubekir: if she was not than no probs.
[11:26] marina/PeruvianSkies: its happened to more girls then her
[11:27] ebubekir: if prohet did it then no probs.
[11:27] ebubekir: it s okay
[11:27] marina/PeruvianSkies: if the prophet tortured somebody for treasure, would that be ok?
[11:27] ebubekir: he did not marry with girl who was younger than 5
[11:27] ebubekir: he did it with a girl who was older than 9
[11:28] ebubekir: ro 10
[11:28] marina/PeruvianSkies: she was 9
[11:28] ebubekir: and older than age of puberty
[11:28] marina/PeruvianSkies: if the prophet tortured somebody, would that be ok?
[11:28] marina/PeruvianSkies: even if it was for something like treasure?
[11:28] marina/PeruvianSkies: do you think that is ok?
[11:28] marina/PeruvianSkies: if the prophet did it
[11:28] marina/PeruvianSkies: ?
[11:28] ebubekir: yeah %100 certainly
[11:29] ebubekir: if he did
[11:29] ebubekir: he was prophet
[11:29] marina/PeruvianSkies: in that case -
Kinana al-Rabi, who had the custody of the treasure of Banu Nadir, was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came (Tabari says "was brought"), to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle said to Kinana, "Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?" He said "Yes". The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr Al-Awwam, "Torture him until you extract what he has." So he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head, in revenge for his brother Mahmud
(Ibn Hisham. Al-Sira al-Nabawiyya (The Life of The Prophet). English translation in Guillaume (1955), pp. 145,146)
we should all go around torturing people for treasure, it is subbah afterall
[11:29] marina/PeruvianSkies: sunna*
[11:30] ebubekir: look i cant understand all of these sentences but if he did something then it is right
i mean everything he did
[11:30] ebubekir: there is no sin for prophets
[11:31] marina/PeruvianSkies: so torture is now ok
[11:31] marina/PeruvianSkies: thanks for that
[11:31] marina/PeruvianSkies: you teach ecellent morals
[11:31] marina/PeruvianSkies: i shall go around torturing people for treasure tonight
[11:31] marina/PeruvianSkies: its sunnah so i have to do it and i shall spread the message
[11:31] ebubekir: Allah says there is no sin for prophets
[11:31] marina/PeruvianSkies: and there is no sin for those following the sunnah
[11:31] ebubekir: u try to deny islam
[11:31] ebubekir: i guess
[11:32] ebubekir: u dont try to learn what it says
[11:32] marina/PeruvianSkies: i dont view torture as ok, and i dont view marrying off young kids before they are mature as ok.
[11:32] marina/PeruvianSkies: i do learn, you deny it
[11:32] marina/PeruvianSkies: theres a difference
[11:32] ebubekir: i said so many times
[11:32] ebubekir: if girl is older than age of puberty than no probs
[11:32] marina/PeruvianSkies: ive given you plenty of sources and yet you deny it
[11:33] marina/PeruvianSkies: and puberty is still too young, the body is not developed enough
[11:33] ebubekir: i mean normally
[11:33] marina/PeruvianSkies: and mature enough
[11:33] ebubekir: 9 or 10 i,s normal
[11:33] ebubekir: in uae
[11:33] ebubekir: but i guess not 5
[11:33] marina/PeruvianSkies: and rape is normal is war, doesnt make it ok
[11:33] marina/PeruvianSkies: the 5 year reached puberty
[11:33] marina/PeruvianSkies: according to you it is ok
[11:34] marina/PeruvianSkies: something being normal doesnt make it ok
[11:34] marina/PeruvianSkies: treating women like crap used to be normal and now they have equal rights
[11:34] marina/PeruvianSkies: we cant progress without change
[11:34] ebubekir: u think like westerns
[11:34] marina/PeruvianSkies: i think like me
[11:35] ebubekir: u cant say islam is wrong when u are thinking like western
[11:35] ebubekir: people
[11:35] marina/PeruvianSkies: excuse me for finding it immoral to marry young kids before they are ready
[11:35] marina/PeruvianSkies: you never answered my question, when you have kids would you marry your 9 year old daughter to a 50 year old?
[11:37] ebubekir: i dont if i dont have to but thats not wrong
[11:37] ebubekir: possible
[11:37] marina/PeruvianSkies: i doubt you would
[11:38] ebubekir: i said i dont if i dont have to do it
[11:38] ebubekir: but it is not wrong
[11:39] marina/PeruvianSkies: exactly, you wouldnt do it even though you are trying to say you would not have a problem with it
[11:39] marina/PeruvianSkies: though im sure you would have a problem with it
[11:39] ebubekir: i dont have problem with it but it is not wrong
[11:40] ebubekir: if my daughet wants
[11:40] ebubekir: then no prob
[11:40] marina/PeruvianSkies: i definitely would, i could never do that to my daughter
[11:40] marina/PeruvianSkies: aisha never asked for it
Topic: Convo with a muslim