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  • Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     OP - March 22, 2009, 01:45 AM

    Thought this was interesting, from the following source: http://deen-ul-islam.webs.com/doesgodexist.htm

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    Atheists

    Lets take a look at the atheists. What do they believe? The atheists believe that the earth was created from a big bang billions of years ago. They say that the planets were formed out of nothing. Then they say that life began from a single cell which slowly evolved into insects and then amphibians......then reptiles......then mamals and apes and from the apes came human beings.

    Lets take one example, if you take a frying pan and start putting random ingredients into it, it is highly unlikely that you will get a nice meal out of it.

    How can there be such a perfect universe from one huge explosion? If the earth was an inch closer to the sun, the earth would be too hot. If the earth was an inch further from the sun the earth would be too cold. If the earth did not rotate on it's axis one side of the earth would be boiling hot while the other would be frozen. It is highly unlikely that this was all only from a big bang. As for the theory on evolution, if humans have come from apes how come there is no evidence of an ape turning into a human in the last 2 billion years.

    It can only be Allah the divine being that has kept the universe so perfect who made the sun give light, who brings life to a drop of sperm that meets the egg, who makes water hold up ships, who makes fire burn and who brings death.

    Look at our own bodies, Allah has arranged our eyes, noses, mouths and ears so perfectly. If our noses were a few centimetres larger between our eyes we would have trouble focusing with our vision. Try it, put two fingers on your nose between your eyes and look to the side.

    Allah is the reality we cannot deny. Imagine you are an atheist on a plane. Suddenly the pilot says we have 30 seconds to live, our engines are on fire. Even the athiest will then say "God help me!" or "Whoever is up there save me!".

    Allah says that when a person is in difficulty they call upon Allah saying "Allah if you save me now I will dedicate my life to your worship" but when Allah saves them they go on as if they never asked Allah for help.


    For one thing, if the engines are burned out, it doesn't necessary mean that everyone is gonna die  Roll Eyes  Tongue

    Just because Allah is someone people turn to in time of desperation, does not prove his existence.

    Blah...flawed flawed flawed.
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #1 - March 22, 2009, 02:09 AM

    ROFL@
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    The atheists believe that the earth was created from a big bang billions of years ago. They say that the planets were formed out of nothing. Then they say that life began from a single cell which slowly evolved into insects and then amphibians......then reptiles......then mamals and apes and from the apes came human beings.


    and ROFL@
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    If the earth was an inch closer to the sun, the earth would be too hot. If the earth was an inch further from the sun the earth would be too cold.

    especially since its orbit is elliptic :|

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #2 - March 22, 2009, 02:10 AM

    Atheists have only one thing linking them together: a shared disbelief in god or gods. THAT'S IT. They don't have to believe the big bang theory, they don't have to believein evolution, etc. etc.

    And the thing about the earth burning up if it wasn't in the exact position it is in now makes me think of Douglas Adams:

    "imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise."

    "At 8:47 I do a grenade jump off a ladder."
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #3 - March 22, 2009, 02:44 AM

    I wrote a response to it on my blog, discussing the habitable zone...
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #4 - March 22, 2009, 04:32 AM

    I'm a big fan of the cosmological arguments for existence of God, but this writer sounds uneducated in orbital mechanics or theory of evolution. It's a pity when people start to attack something they don't understand.

    It actually reminds me a lot of this interview from MEMRI:

    Dr. Abd Al-Basset Al-Sayyid of the Egyptian National Research Center: British Research Proves Holy Stone of Ka'ba to be a Semi-Conductor from Outer Space

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    3/9/2006 Clip No. 1085

    Dr. Abd Al-Basset Al-Sayyid of the Egyptian National Research Center: British Research Proves Holy Stone of Ka'ba to be a Semi-Conductor from Outer Space

    Following are excerpts from an interview by Abd Al-Baset Sayyid from the Egyptian National Research Center, aired on Al-Risala TV, on March 9, 2006.

    Abd Al-Baset Sayyid: The British Museum announced that it possessed three pieces of the black stone [of Mecca]. It declares that these pieces prove that the black stone is not from our solar system.

    [...]

    They brought an Englishman, with white hair and a red face.

    This man wasn't a Muslim, but he went into the Ka'ba, and started circling it, until he had an opportunity. The stone did not have a metal frame at the time. He took a diamond and cut off three pieces.

    Then he went from Mecca to Jedda, and in Jedda, he found refuge in the Australian embassy, where he was welcomed as a hero. An Australian ship took him to the UK, in London. There, he brought the stones to the British Museum, and they began to study them. What was their intention? To prove that this is a plain stone, from Earth. This would mean that the stone kissed by Muslims is a regular stone.

    Interviewer: They wanted to accuse us of...

    Abd Al-Baset Sayyid: But the analysis showed otherwise.

    Interviewer: What did they find?

    Abd Al-Baset Sayyid: They discovered that the stone was a type of semi-conductor. Semi-conductors led to the development of electronics. Take a large radio - a radio this size. How? Instead of the light bulb we used to put inside the radio, they began to make them as small as a crystal this size.

    [...]

    Karnar from NASA took one piece of the stone from the British Museum. He charged it with a million telephone wires, yet the stone withstood it. He charged it with 100 million telephone wires, yet the stone withstood it. This piece of stone was the size of a chickpea. He found that this stone emits invisible radiation. He found that a stone the size of a chickpea emits 100 rays. Each ray can pass through 10,000 people.


    http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1085.htm

    "It may happen that the enemies of Islam may consider it expedient not to take any action against Islam, if Islam leaves them alone in their geographical boundaries... But Islam cannot agree to this unless they submit to its authority by paying Jizyah"

    -Sayyid Qutb, Milestones
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #5 - March 22, 2009, 09:22 AM

    It can only be Allah the divine being that has kept the universe so perfect who made the sun give light, who brings life to a drop of sperm that meets the egg, who makes water hold up ships, who makes fire burn and who brings death.

    Look at our own bodies, Allah has arranged our eyes, noses, mouths and ears so perfectly. If our noses were a few centimetres larger between our eyes we would have trouble focusing with our vision. Try it, put two fingers on your nose between your eyes and look to the side.

    Allah is the reality we cannot deny. Imagine you are an atheist on a plane. Suddenly the pilot says we have 30 seconds to live, our engines are on fire. Even the athiest will then say "God help me!" or "Whoever is up there save me!".

    Allah says that when a person is in difficulty they call upon Allah saying "Allah if you save me now I will dedicate my life to your worship" but when Allah saves them they go on as if they never asked Allah for help.


    Isn't it possible that it isn't Allah after all but Tengri the Mongol God who made the Universe & our bodies? Or Osiris, his wife Isis & their son Horus the Egyptian Gods? Or one of the multiple Hindu gods or Shinto gods? Look at any human invention like say computers. Tim Berners Lee was a primary founder of the Internet, Bill Gates made personal computers like Microsoft, Larry Page & Sergey Brin invented Google & so many others developed various parts of the computer, various sites & various search engines.The same holds true for any other invention like photography or automobiles-many humans contributed to make the kind of cars & electronic gadgets we have now. Isn't it just as likely that many god\s collaborated on the Grand Project called The  Making of Living Beings & the Universe? That in fact seems just as logical a conclusion if not a  more logical conclusion than a single Allah making everything.  Wink

    Of course, Muslims will immediately accuse one of shirk, which in their eyes is as bad as atheism if one starts to believe in multiple Allahs!  bunny

    If there was an atheist on a plane & there was a likelyhood of an air crash, most likely he\she would not think of Allah. Four fifth of the world does not believe in Allah and there are pretty few atheists from Islamic families due to the sorry state of education & freethought in many Muslim societies. Atheists from Christian families might start praying to the(blasphemous to Muslims!) Trinity of Father, Son & Holy Spirit, atheists from Hindu families will pray to the Hindu god most popular in their family, Shintos to a Shinto god, & all animists of the world to whatever the animists regard holy etc.

    Do Muslims regard this as proof of the existence of all these other gods besides Allah? And if they do, doesn't this nullify Allah's claims of being the Only God, & other gods & idols being false pretenders to His throne? Tongue


    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #6 - March 22, 2009, 10:15 AM

    Actually, if I thought the plane I was on was going to crash I'd probably shout: "OHFUCKOHFUCK OH FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!"

    Does that make sex the true god?

    "At 8:47 I do a grenade jump off a ladder."
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #7 - March 22, 2009, 11:25 AM

    Actually, if I thought the plane I was on was going to crash I'd probably shout: "OHFUCKOHFUCK OH FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!"

    Does that make sex the true god?

     Cheesy
    Some atheist may say, "OH! S***!" It means  Crap excreta is the one true God! Lets' bow down to potty then!  worship

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #8 - March 22, 2009, 02:11 PM

    THis really irritates me! Why is it that religious people do not understand evolution in the slightest, yet consider themselves the authority on it, ridicule the concept, and ridicule Charles Darwin's work as nonsense!  Charles Darwin discovered an immensely intelligent, revolutionary concept which is just dismissed without understanding because it disagrees with the infallible religious texts which were written more than a thousand years ago!

    Isn't it funny that the most prominent Muslim creationist is Harun Yahya, who is not a scientist, but has a degree in fine arts!

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    How can there be such a perfect universe from one huge explosion? If the earth was an inch closer to the sun, the earth would be too hot. If the earth was an inch further from the sun the earth would be too cold. If the earth did not rotate on it's axis one side of the earth would be boiling hot while the other would be frozen. It is highly unlikely that this was all only from a big bang.


    Firstly, if the earth was an inch closer to the sun or an inch further away from the sun, it would not make the earth too hot or too cold. The Earth is definitely not at a uniform distance from the sun at all times!

    Secondly, I believe that there is life on Earth because of these conditions. I do not believe that these conditions were created for the benefit of humans!

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #9 - March 22, 2009, 05:29 PM

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    As for the theory on evolution, if humans have come from apes how come there is no evidence of an ape turning into a human in the last 2 billion years.



    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #10 - March 22, 2009, 05:55 PM

    www.bushorchimp.com
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #11 - March 22, 2009, 07:53 PM

    I find that funny too.  Surely if you're going to set out to disprove a theory, the first step should be study what that theory actually is.  I can never work out whether creationists are wilfully dishonest or just plain thick.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #12 - March 22, 2009, 07:54 PM

    Ooops. I deleted my post.


    You know what's funny? How little people actually know about evolution. Seriously. All you'll ever get is "how can we have been apes at one point?" or "look at this amazing detail (of the cell or w/e). how can that just happen by chance?". You'll never hear a real criticism, just stupid assumptions and rhetorical questions.

     banghead

    Maybe you should try reading a bit before asking the same annoying ass question OVER and OVER again?

    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #13 - March 22, 2009, 07:56 PM

    I find that funny too.  Surely if you're going to set out to disprove a theory, the first step should be study what that theory actually is.  I can never work out whether creationists are wilfully dishonest or just plain thick.

    They don't even know what a scientific theory is. I think the word 'theory' throws them off.

    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #14 - March 22, 2009, 09:29 PM

    I think the funniest anti-evolutionary argument is when they say "how come we do not see apes evolving into humans now?"!!!!

    What do they want? A gorilla giving birht to a human child?

    They don't understand that humans, and gorillas, and chimpanzees and bonobos are all apes which are an offshoot of a  common ancestor. They seem to think evolutionary theory goes like this:


    amoeba - fish - ape - human!

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #15 - March 22, 2009, 09:32 PM

    I think the funniest one is when they try and be sophisticated enough to accept micro evolution but not macro evolution.   Cheesy  Its like accepting a stair can exist, but not a staircase. 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #16 - March 22, 2009, 09:46 PM

    *face/palm*

    It really is annoying when people attack subjects they know next to nothing about.
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #17 - March 23, 2009, 12:23 AM

    A gorilla giving birht to a human child?

    Well, it happened in First Born...

    "At 8:47 I do a grenade jump off a ladder."
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #18 - March 23, 2009, 03:26 AM

    I find that funny too.  Surely if you're going to set out to disprove a theory, the first step should be study what that theory actually is.  I can never work out whether creationists are willfully dishonest or just plain thick.


    Very true but the problem is people level the same argument at atheists.

    People say to Richard Dawkins, how can you dismiss religion when you haven't read all of it's holy texts from the OT to the Koran and Hadith. How can you dismiss religion when you haven't read all of the great works by theologians written over the centuries?

    This is Dawkins reply.

    Quote
    Would you need to read learned volumes on Leprechology before disbelieving in leprechauns?


    Great answer  Cheesy

    The problem is if your world view is that of a Muslim, you get your truth from the Koran which is without one shadow of a doubt, the perfect word of the creator of the universe.

    If that is your world view and you have your family, community and a billion others who fervently agree then evolution is quite obviously a foolish endeavor that can be dismissed without study.

    It just doesn't fit with the evidence as laid out in the Koran. Why read lots of clunky scientific papers when they are quite clearly wrong because they contradict the Koran.

    Anyway even if Richard Dawkins read all of the "holy" books he could still be told he doesn't know enough. You can't just read and make up your own mind you must also read all of the commentary and interpretation that surrounds the "holy" scriptures and perhaps consult a cleric to seek his guidance.
     

    If you have immersed yourself in these holy books and refrained from passing judgment on them as you painstakingly go over all the different interpretations, always with an open mind, maybe then you would be able to pass judgment on them. As long as it's favourable  dance

    Lets face it if you are the kind of person who is going to spend ten years with an open mind pouring over these tedious ignorant texts and all of the relating text as you seek guidance and respectfully listen to religious "experts" as they babble on about their god you are probably not a skeptic but a religious person searching for your path.

    The criteria needed to be a critic of monotheism is that you must be a believer or on the road to belief, skeptics are disqualified because as you all know you must read these books with an "Open Heart" skepticism is cold, calculating and negative. You must read the Koran with reverence to see the light.

    The same is true for faith and belief, how can you objectively look at the evidence if it challenges your belief. Either the evidence has to be ignored or the belief has to go. Then you cease to be a believer so the scientific method is a closed shop when it comes to monotheists.

    Yes it's true there are plenty of educated religious people who accept the theory of evolution/the scientific method and still remain religious but their stance is indefensible, hypocritical and wrong.

    Either god created the earth and every creature on it as it is now, in six days, six thousand years ago or the evidence of carbon dating and evolution are true.

    If the evidence trumps the theology on it's foundational claims then the rest is laid bare as the bullshit it is. Clinging on to the virgin birth or Mohammad splitting the moon when Genesis has been so thoroughly debunked is just desperation.

    If the story of creation in the Bible and the Koran is bollox then the rest collapses. This especially applies to Islam because the Koran is not the inspired word but THE PERFECT WORD.

    If the Korans perfection is destroyed in the eyes of the believer then the whole house of cards falls. That's why these people don't study evolution before they open their mouths.   
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #19 - March 23, 2009, 09:40 AM

    I find that funny too.  Surely if you're going to set out to disprove a theory, the first step should be study what that theory actually is.  I can never work out whether creationists are willfully dishonest or just plain thick.


    Very true but the problem is people level the same argument at atheists.

    People say to Richard Dawkins, how can you dismiss religion when you haven't read all of it's holy texts from the OT to the Koran and Hadith. How can you dismiss religion when you haven't read all of the great works by theologians written over the centuries?

    This is Dawkins reply.

    Quote
    Would you need to read learned volumes on Leprechology before disbelieving in leprechauns?


    Great answer  Cheesy

    The problem is if your world view is that of a Muslim, you get your truth from the Koran which is without one shadow of a doubt, the perfect word of the creator of the universe.

    If that is your world view and you have your family, community and a billion others who fervently agree then evolution is quite obviously a foolish endeavor that can be dismissed without study.

    It just doesn't fit with the evidence as laid out in the Koran. Why read lots of clunky scientific papers when they are quite clearly wrong because they contradict the Koran.

    Anyway even if Richard Dawkins read all of the "holy" books he could still be told he doesn't know enough. You can't just read and make up your own mind you must also read all of the commentary and interpretation that surrounds the "holy" scriptures and perhaps consult a cleric to seek his guidance.
     

    If you have immersed yourself in these holy books and refrained from passing judgment on them as you painstakingly go over all the different interpretations, always with an open mind, maybe then you would be able to pass judgment on them. As long as it's favourable  dance

    Lets face it if you are the kind of person who is going to spend ten years with an open mind pouring over these tedious ignorant texts and all of the relating text as you seek guidance and respectfully listen to religious "experts" as they babble on about their god you are probably not a skeptic but a religious person searching for your path.

    The criteria needed to be a critic of monotheism is that you must be a believer or on the road to belief, skeptics are disqualified because as you all know you must read these books with an "Open Heart" skepticism is cold, calculating and negative. You must read the Koran with reverence to see the light.

    The same is true for faith and belief, how can you objectively look at the evidence if it challenges your belief. Either the evidence has to be ignored or the belief has to go. Then you cease to be a believer so the scientific method is a closed shop when it comes to monotheists.

    Yes it's true there are plenty of educated religious people who accept the theory of evolution/the scientific method and still remain religious but their stance is indefensible, hypocritical and wrong.

    Either god created the earth and every creature on it as it is now, in six days, six thousand years ago or the evidence of carbon dating and evolution are true.

    If the evidence trumps the theology on it's foundational claims then the rest is laid bare as the bullshit it is. Clinging on to the virgin birth or Mohammad splitting the moon when Genesis has been so thoroughly debunked is just desperation.

    If the story of creation in the Bible and the Koran is bollox then the rest collapses. This especially applies to Islam because the Koran is not the inspired word but THE PERFECT WORD.

    If the Korans perfection is destroyed in the eyes of the believer then the whole house of cards falls. That's why these people don't study evolution before they open their mouths.   


     clap That was really well put.
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #20 - March 23, 2009, 08:53 PM

    Thanks for the window on such staggeringly abyssmal ignorance, Heartbomb. It makes you feel like some of the anthropological explorers must have felt when they stumbled across surviving stone age societies during the last century.

    Don't worry about facing death and copping-out though. Apparently, most black-box recordings have the last words of flight crew saying 'Oh shit!' and definitely not 'Allah'.
    Only joking!

    Although I've been close to, or thought I was close to, the moment of death several times now, I've never felt constrained to call upon anything other than my own inner strength, and I'm still here and I'll do it again.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Atheists according to Deen-ul-Islam
     Reply #21 - March 23, 2009, 09:32 PM

    SJ, Good for you  Afro  And without a single prayer, you're here to tell the tale..

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