Hello,
I had a short discussion on YouTube with a user called xingyimaster1987. It's under one of Hassan's videos, which I uploaded with German subtitles:
I planned to invite him here, since I'm not in the mood to answer at the moment. So maybe somebody else wants to respond to him.
Here's a copy of the discussion:
> xingyimaster1987
the answer is quite simple. islam is more diverse than 73 sects, madhabs or whatever denominations. their are 1.4 billion muslims which means 1.4 billion islams. everyone moulds islam around themselves and alters it somewhat. everyone has varied opinions. the fact is in Islam actions are based on intentions. Allah (swT) is merciful. if i practice Islam and its completely wrong filled with bidah and even shirk, but my intention was to do what was right and i tried my best, i will have jannah. .
> AlsanaAziz
Salam,
Interesting opinion. What about negative effects? What if a Muslim society thinks that Islam allows child marriages, wife-beating or demands death for apostates or "blasphemy" and stoning for adultery? In fact, these things happen in some Muslim countries. Why are people to suffer because of the Sharia, when it's interpreted in such ways?
Will Allah still be merciful to these people? They understand the religion like that, can't blame them for that, right?
> xingyimaster1987
i see your point, and the fact is a muslims goal is to follow the Quran and sunnah to the best of their ability and understanding. if their intention is pure but they get it wrong they will not be accountable. the same applies to a non-muslims who never recieived the message of islam properly and carried on worshipping an idol with the best of intentions-to please God, they would not be accountable. its only natural variances in practice and belief will arise, so actions are based on intention.
> AlsanaAziz
I understand that, however pardoning bad deeds, only because they were done with best intentions, can't be really called justice IMO. Especially not when irreparable damage is done. It's impossible to revive executed people. People's lives are made hellish because they openly say they're gay, they criticize the religion, belong to a different sect or don't want to live a life restricted by "divine rules" etc.
That is why secular laws are always better, don't you agree?
> xingyimaster1987
i would be inclined to say secular laws are better if i had any proof they worked. Islamic shariah is about making an ordered society devoid of as many problems as possible. although the concept of democracy seems nice, does it work in practice. one only has to look at the archetype of democracy, america and see that it has the highest crime rates in the world. saudia arabia, which does not even implement shariah fully (due to bribery and corruption) has significantly less crime.
> xingyimaster1987
you clearly do not believe in shariah, i'm assuming because your not a muslim. however for muslims it is from God, who has knowledge of all, therefore it is the best system. my earnest belief is if shariah was implemented fully, their would be no murder, rape, thievery etc. we would live in a safe society. shariah may seem harsh, but its a balance. for me, ordered, safe society is more important than certain freedoms. even the usa does not allow certain freedoms, where do you draw the line?
> xingyimaster1987
if a man beats his wife out of anger, knowing that Islam not only forbids anger, but also wife beating can only be done in certain situations and in a certain way then he is accountable before God. if he does not know, their is no blame on him, but he should be advised if possible and if he still rejects the blame is on him. i can't blame a schizophrenic for attacking me (under delusion), that would not be justice. actions should be based on intention and only God knows the intention.
Topic: Discussion with xingyimaster1987 about "real Islam".