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  • Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     OP - March 25, 2009, 03:31 PM
    I came across this piece of information some months back in Richard Dawkins site. I don't remember the topic. Apparently the same term, "Abd" is used for both Blacks & slaves. And the term "abd" was used similar to the Western use of nigger. However, I think this is particularly insulting- the same term for both Blacks & slaves.

    www.answers.com/topic/abd-arabic
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #1 - March 25, 2009, 03:37 PM
    That is insulting. May be native arabic speaker can explain.
  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #2 - March 25, 2009, 04:33 PM
    I heard this several times before. Baal can verify it.
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #3 - March 25, 2009, 04:51 PM
    It is insulting.  I wonder if slavs feel insulted by the word slave?  Possibly not as their slavery is so far back in time, whereas the African slave trade is relatively recent, and in Saudi Arabia its very recent.  Slavery was only banned there at the request of JFK.
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #4 - March 25, 2009, 05:19 PM
    Either that, or the Arabic dictionary is smaller than Vicky Pollards complete diction
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #5 - March 25, 2009, 05:50 PM
    Arab slavery of Blacks went on since at least the 9th century-probably earlier. Arab Slavery of Blacks began far before European-American slavery of Blacks. When Blacks were emancipated at the American Civil War, it ended millennia of institutionalised slavery for them-however only in one part of the world-namely the White Christian part. That part of the world would again take the initiative of liberating Saudi Blacks- President Kenedy urged the Saudi King in 1963 to abolish slavery, till then Blacks were routinely caught from African nations & bought & sold as slaves-by the color blind faith  Roll Eyes

    Its quite obvious that making the term for Blacks synonymous with the term for slaves is meant to disparage Blacks-infact its the worst form of disparagement possible. When we call someone say a pedophile or some supremely evil person "an animal" we mean to debase that person-to claim that due to his vile acts, he's no longer fit to belong to the human species. Similarly when we call a Black the same term as we utilise for slaves-it indicates that we automatically place Blacks at the same level as slaves.
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #6 - March 25, 2009, 06:04 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 25, 2009, 05:50 PM
    Its quite obvious that making the term for Blacks synonymous with the term for slaves is meant to disparage Blacks-infact its the worst form of disparagement possible.


    I suspect it was more innocent than that.  At the time the word was invented, they probably had never seen any other blacks before if they were imported for slavery purposes.  Hence the word African/black person/slave would have been interchangeable, and used to relate to the same person and there was no need for a different set of words to differentiate between them. 

    In todays day and age, only racists would do such a thing in order to punctuate their stereotypes, despite the reality being altogether different.
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #7 - March 25, 2009, 06:14 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 25, 2009, 06:04 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 25, 2009, 05:50 PM
    Its quite obvious that making the term for Blacks synonymous with the term for slaves is meant to disparage Blacks-infact its the worst form of disparagement possible.


    I suspect it was more innocent than that.  At the time the word was invented, they probably had never seen any other blacks before if they were imported for slavery purposes.  Hence the word African/black person/slave would have been interchangeable, and used to relate to the same person and there was no need for a different set of words to differentiate between them. 

    In todays day and age, only racists would do such a thing in order to punctuate their stereotypes, despite the reality being altogether different.


    But why single out Blacks for slavery at all?They also had a lot of Kafir slaves, caught from the Christian, Hindu-Buddhist world-but they were simply called kafir & slaves. If & when they got their freedom they converted to Islam, they intermarried with Arabs freely, as did the Berbers -& these people created mixed races, only the Blacks didn't.

     Could it be due to these religious justifications?

    I heard the Apostle say: Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!' He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks?. Allah sent down concerning him: ?To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom." [9:61] "Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ?If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey's.'Ishaq 243

    Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the Africans color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks.
    Tabari II 11
    Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham?s descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem?s, the latter would enslave them.Tabari II 21

    Hmmm! Those that can make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities...(Voltaire)
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #8 - March 25, 2009, 06:24 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 25, 2009, 06:14 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 25, 2009, 06:04 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 25, 2009, 05:50 PM
    Its quite obvious that making the term for Blacks synonymous with the term for slaves is meant to disparage Blacks-infact its the worst form of disparagement possible.


    I suspect it was more innocent than that.  At the time the word was invented, they probably had never seen any other blacks before if they were imported for slavery purposes.  Hence the word African/black person/slave would have been interchangeable, and used to relate to the same person and there was no need for a different set of words to differentiate between them. 

    In todays day and age, only racists would do such a thing in order to punctuate their stereotypes, despite the reality being altogether different.


    But why single out Blacks for slavery at all?


    A different question.  I suppose the answer to that question is that it was easier to do to them, then one of their own.
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #9 - March 25, 2009, 06:32 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 25, 2009, 06:24 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 25, 2009, 06:14 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 25, 2009, 06:04 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 25, 2009, 05:50 PM
    Its quite obvious that making the term for Blacks synonymous with the term for slaves is meant to disparage Blacks-infact its the worst form of disparagement possible.


    I suspect it was more innocent than that.  At the time the word was invented, they probably had never seen any other blacks before if they were imported for slavery purposes.  Hence the word African/black person/slave would have been interchangeable, and used to relate to the same person and there was no need for a different set of words to differentiate between them. 

    In todays day and age, only racists would do such a thing in order to punctuate their stereotypes, despite the reality being altogether different.


    But why single out Blacks for slavery at all?


    A different question.  I suppose the answer to that question is that it was easier to do to them, then one of their own.


    I know that Islame, but they also enslaved millions who were not their own, who might have got their freedom at a later date, none of those races or people got a name synonymous with slaves, like the Blacks did.

    They enslaved millions of Europeans & sold them in Ottoman markets, the Berbery pirates scourged the seas in the 18th century-"Chrisitians are cheap today..." was an oft heard remark in Medieval Muslim markets. They enslaved millions of Hindu-Buddhists when they first conquered India, they were so plentiful & cheap in Muslim markets in the Mid East that they were sold for a few pennies. Sooner or later, their descendents were manumitted, they acepted Islam & they were no longer synonymous with slaves. Why did they label of slave stick to all Blacks, why did they not attain the same status that Christian\Hindu\Buddhist ex slaves belonging to other races did?
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #10 - March 25, 2009, 06:43 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 25, 2009, 06:14 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 25, 2009, 06:04 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 25, 2009, 05:50 PM
    Its quite obvious that making the term for Blacks synonymous with the term for slaves is meant to disparage Blacks-infact its the worst form of disparagement possible.


    I suspect it was more innocent than that.  At the time the word was invented, they probably had never seen any other blacks before if they were imported for slavery purposes.  Hence the word African/black person/slave would have been interchangeable, and used to relate to the same person and there was no need for a different set of words to differentiate between them. 

    In todays day and age, only racists would do such a thing in order to punctuate their stereotypes, despite the reality being altogether different.


    But why single out Blacks for slavery at all?They also had a lot of Kafir slaves, caught from the Christian, Hindu-Buddhist world-but they were simply called kafir & slaves.


    What IsLame said. It was just easier for Arabs to trade in Black slaves. In the Western hemisphere, especially the U.S., slavery was very much tied up with racism. I don't think this was the case with the Arab slave traders. Christian, Hindu and Buddhist slaves had to be forcibly captured, African slaves could simply be purchased from African tribes at a low cost.
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    If & when they got their freedom they converted to Islam, they intermarried with Arabs freely, as did the Berbers -& these people created mixed races, only the Blacks didn't.


    Guess you've never been to Egypt then? Take a look at a picture of Anwar Sadat and tell me he didn't have both Black and Arab ancestors.

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    Could it be due to these religious justifications?

    I heard the Apostle say: Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!' He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks?. Allah sent down concerning him: ?To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom." [9:61] "Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ?If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey's.'Ishaq 243

    Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the Africans color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks.
    Tabari II 11
    Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham?s descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem?s, the latter would enslave them.Tabari II 21

    Hmmm! Those that can make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities...(Voltaire)


    There were racists in the 9th century? Shocking. It was also long-established Christian and Jewish doctrine that Black Africans were Hamites. Look, people were just really racist back then. Hell, it's only been in the last few decades that racism has been popularly deemed unacceptable in the industrialized West. In much of the rest of the world, racism is still widely accepted. There's nothing special about Muslims or their religious history in that regard.
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #11 - March 25, 2009, 06:47 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 25, 2009, 06:32 PM
    Why did they label of slave stick to all Blacks, why did they not attain the same status that Christian\Hindu\Buddhist ex slaves belonging to other races did?


    Maybe because Black slaves were more widely traded than the other kafir slaves, and for a longer period? As I stated above, the Muslims of that time were no more racist than anyone else, and slavery in Arab/Muslim lands (like in most of the world) was not inherently a racist institution, in contrast with the US, where it was a manifestly racist institution.
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #12 - March 25, 2009, 06:54 PM
    I know all that you said Q-Man, its just that many people have this mis conception that Islam unlike Christianity is a racism free faith-thats' not the reality they too were racist like the Judeo Christians & they had the same theological justifications for it-namely Ham's descendants.

    Whats' not special about Muslims is that they too subscribed to these color prejudices-while many people have the belief that they didn't-only the Western Christians believed this Ham's descendants theory.

    Quote from: Q-Man on March 25, 2009, 06:47 PM
    Maybe because Black slaves were more widely traded than the other kafir slaves, and for a longer period? As I stated above, the Muslims of that time were no more racist than anyone else, and slavery in Arab/Muslim lands (like in most of the world) was not inherently a racist institution, in contrast with the US, where it was a manifestly racist institution.


    Maybe is worthless speculation, without proof its useless. Slavery of non Muslims went on for a very long time too, till the Europeans ousted them as major world powers.

    Also slavery may not be a manifestly racist institution, but calling freed Blacks the same name as slaves, as well as the religious belief that Ham's descendants=slaves(same as the Western Christian theory) is racist indeed. Also, they very overwhelmingly majority of Saudi & other Arab slaves were Blacks when Saudi abolished slavery in 1963.
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #13 - March 25, 2009, 06:57 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man
    Guess you've never been to Egypt then? Take a look at a picture of Anwar Sadat and tell me he didn't have both Black and Arab ancestors.

    I have been to Egypt and actually, intermingling of blacks and Arabs didn't seem that common.

    Quote from: Rashna
    I know all that you said Q-Man, its just that many people have this mis conception that Islam unlike Christianity is a racism free faith-thats' not the reality they too were racist like the Judeo Christians & they had the same theological justifications for it-namely Ham's descendants.

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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #14 - March 25, 2009, 07:02 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 25, 2009, 06:54 PM
    I know all that you said Q-Man, its just that many people have this mis conception that Islam unlike Christianity is a racism free faith-thats' not the reality they too were racist like the Judeo Christians & they had the same theological justifications for it-namely Ham's descendants.

    Also slavery may not be a manifestly racist institution, but calling freed Blacks the same name as slaves, as well as the religious belief that Ham's descendants=slaves(same as the Western Christian theory) is racist indeed. Also, they very overwhelmingly majority of Saudi & other Arab slaves were Blacks when Saudi abolished slavery in 1963.


    No-one here is saying that Islam is not as racist (if not more so) than all the religions listed.  Just saying that you cannot accuse the old Arabic language in its simplicity, of de-facto racism.
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #15 - March 25, 2009, 07:06 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 25, 2009, 06:54 PM
    I know all that you said Q-Man, its just that many people have this mis conception that Islam unlike Christianity is a racism free faith-thats' not the reality they too were racist like the Judeo Christians & they had the same theological justifications for it-namely Ham's descendants.

    Whats' not special about Muslims is that they too subscribed to these color prejudices-while many people have the belief that they didn't-only the Western Christians believed this Ham's descendants theory.


    Okay, true, but I don't think anyone here believes that.


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    Maybe is worthless speculation,


    No more worthless or speculative than your arguments in this thread.
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    without proof its useless.


    Disagree that speculation, without "proof positive" is always useless, at least no more useless than anything else in an internet debate. Smiley

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    Also slavery may not be a manifestly racist institution, but calling freed Blacks the same name as slaves, as well as the religious belief that Ham's descendants=slaves(same as the Western Christian theory) is racist indeed.


    I did not dispute either of those points.
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #16 - March 25, 2009, 07:13 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 25, 2009, 07:02 PM
    Just saying that you cannot accuse the old Arabic language in its simplicity, of de-facto racism.


    Agreed. But the language sure needs to be changed today, its still used as a slur.
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #17 - March 25, 2009, 08:04 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 25, 2009, 07:13 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 25, 2009, 07:02 PM
    Just saying that you cannot accuse the old Arabic language in its simplicity, of de-facto racism.


    Agreed. But the language sure needs to be changed today, its still used as a slur.



    You cant change the language of old - racists will always find room for these words.  Even in West non-racists will use the words without batting an eyelid.  As recently as 2007 the term "nigger brown" was used by UK retailing giants to describe the colour of a particular shade of sofa.  However it still does not make English a racist language, its only the people and the way they use it that can do that.
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #18 - March 25, 2009, 08:07 PM
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    As recently as 2007 the term "nigger brown" was used by UK retailing giants to describe the colour of a particular shade of sofa


    WHAT Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?

    Where did you hear that?
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #19 - March 25, 2009, 08:29 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on March 25, 2009, 08:07 PM
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    As recently as 2007 the term "nigger brown" was used by UK retailing giants to describe the colour of a particular shade of sofa


    WHAT Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?

    Where did you hear that?


    In fact it was not a sofa, it was on tester cards for a can of Johnsons paint.  I confuse it with the sofa story in Canada, when the colour of a sofa was "nigger brown" , also in 2007.

    Here's a link I just googled:
    http://consumerist.com/consumer/slurs/packaging-label-describes-sofa-color-as-nigger+brown-250487.php
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #20 - March 25, 2009, 09:00 PM
    I can't find anything about the Johnson's paint cards thing.  The sofa controversy is explained here...

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    In April 2007, a dark brown leather sofa set sold by Vanaik Furniture and Mattress Store in Toronto, Canada carried a tag that described its colour as "Nigger-brown." The discovery of the label immediately provoked outrage across Canada and the United States. It was eventually determined that the furniture manufacturer in China had used an outdated version of Kingsoft's Chinese-English translation software to produce the tags; when the Chinese characters for "Dark-brown" were entered, the offensive term was produced. Neither the Canadian supplier or furniture store had noticed the tags during shipping. Kingsoft subsequently updated its software to avoid similar incident


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger#Recent_controversies

    So while I agree that racists will always use racist terms no matter how much we try and update them, I disagree that "even non-racists use such terms without batting an eyelid".   The term nigger is extremely controversial and definitely does bat eyelids.
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #21 - March 25, 2009, 09:22 PM
    That case wasn't a case of racism then, but a simple case of the dreaded Chinglish "translations".
    Some of them are truly hilarious. Unfortunately this one wasn't (although it does have its funny side if you imagine the innocence of the Chinese people concerned).
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #22 - March 25, 2009, 09:27 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on March 25, 2009, 09:00 PM
    So while I agree that racists will always use racist terms no matter how much we try and update them, I disagree that "even non-racists use such terms without batting an eyelid".   The term nigger is extremely controversial and definitely does bat eyelids.

    Terms like nigger-brown, niggers, paddies, pakis, chinks, gollywogs have been used popularly by non-racists until recent times, if not still today as I still hear them being used (e.g. our very own Prince Harry)  

    My point was that the word itself does not make the users automatically racist, its about the intention.  In Australia the term "pakis" has been spread all across popular newspapers and it is deemed ok.  In the UK it would result in the Editor being handed his P45.
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #23 - March 25, 2009, 09:53 PM
    Yes it does depend on context. For instance over here Greeks, or people of Greek descent, are called "wogs". This was originally derogatory but has become a term of endearment used among friends. Of course it can still be used in a derogatory fashion by dumb people, but you get that.
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #24 - March 26, 2009, 03:07 AM
    Quote from: Calm on March 25, 2009, 03:37 PM
    That is insulting. May be native arabic speaker can explain.



    Abd, written in Arabic as  عبد     , means a slave or a servant.

    The actual word for a slave, whether white, brown, black or yellow, is Raqeeq  رقيق , but you will not find this word in Qur'aan.

    All the slaves and servants were called by their names. For example, Bilal was a slave and people called him by that name.

    Regarding a slave or a servant of God, one has to add Allah's name to Abd to make it Abdullah.

    So, if I have to show that Jesus was a Slave of Allah, he would be called as Jesus Abdullah.

    BMZ

     
  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #25 - March 26, 2009, 04:48 AM
    Quote from: BMZ on March 26, 2009, 03:07 AM
    Quote from: Calm on March 25, 2009, 03:37 PM
    That is insulting. May be native arabic speaker can explain.



    Abd, written in Arabic as  عبد     , means a slave or a servant.

    The actual word for a slave, whether white, brown, black or yellow, is Raqeeq  رقيق , but you will not find this word in Qur'aan.

    All the slaves and servants were called by their names. For example, Bilal was a slave and people called him by that name.

    Regarding a slave or a servant of God, one has to add Allah's name to Abd to make it Abdullah.

    So, if I have to show that Jesus was a Slave of Allah, he would be called as Jesus Abdullah.

    BMZ

     


    Calm probably knows Hindi. Das means servant or slave. Devdas (not just the Bollywood movie! Wink  ) means Servant of God but of course that doesn't mean every person can be called "das" in Hindi! If we call someone servant in Hindi just like that, without adding "servant of god" it does indicate simply servant.

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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #26 - March 26, 2009, 05:07 AM
    Quote from: BMZ on March 26, 2009, 03:07 AM
    Quote from: Calm on March 25, 2009, 03:37 PM
    That is insulting. May be native arabic speaker can explain.



    Abd, written in Arabic as  عبد     , means a slave or a servant.

    The actual word for a slave, whether white, brown, black or yellow, is Raqeeq  رقيق , but you will not find this word in Qur'aan.

    All the slaves and servants were called by their names. For example, Bilal was a slave and people called him by that name.

    Regarding a slave or a servant of God, one has to add Allah's name to Abd to make it Abdullah.

    So, if I have to show that Jesus was a Slave of Allah, he would be called as Jesus Abdullah.

    BMZ

     

    Hello bmz, picking one of dozen synonyms and jumping for joy because it does not exist in the koran is not valid. The assertion that 'rakik' is the only word that is used for slave is wrong.

    Particularly that word is not used in spoken arabic and very rarely in ancient written arabic.

    As for the word Abd. It has few uses. It can mean "Abd Allah", or it can mean My abd.

    For you BMZ, I am going to pass you this very lovely poem that Arabs passed down the generations to their kids until it made it to my virgin ears and now, you get to enjoy it as well:

    "Wa la Tashtaria Al Abda Illa Wal Assa Maahu..
     Inna Al Abda LaSahikun, Ghadaru."

    "Do not buy the abd unless a stick comes with him..
    Because the Abd has erased honor, is Backstabbing."

    It takes about Seven years for the cycle of islam to pass its course. Your time is coming up bmz, hope your friends and family are prepared to accept your new choices in life.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #27 - March 26, 2009, 05:29 AM
    Quote from: Baal on March 26, 2009, 05:07 AM
    Quote from: BMZ on March 26, 2009, 03:07 AM
    Quote from: Calm on March 25, 2009, 03:37 PM
    That is insulting. May be native arabic speaker can explain.



    Abd, written in Arabic as  عبد     , means a slave or a servant.

    The actual word for a slave, whether white, brown, black or yellow, is Raqeeq  رقيق , but you will not find this word in Qur'aan.

    All the slaves and servants were called by their names. For example, Bilal was a slave and people called him by that name.

    Regarding a slave or a servant of God, one has to add Allah's name to Abd to make it Abdullah.

    So, if I have to show that Jesus was a Slave of Allah, he would be called as Jesus Abdullah.

    BMZ

     

    Hello bmz, picking one of dozen synonyms and jumping for joy because it does not exist in the koran is not valid. The assertion that 'rakik' is the only word that is used for slave is wrong.

    Particularly that word is not used in spoken arabic and very rarely in ancient written arabic.

    As for the word Abd. It has few uses. It can mean "Abd Allah", or it can mean My abd.

    For you BMZ, I am going to pass you this very lovely poem that Arabs passed down the generations to their kids until it made it to my virgin ears and now, you get to enjoy it as well:

    "Wa la Tashtaria Al Abda Illa Wal Assa Maahu..
     Inna Al Abda LaSahikun, Ghadaru."

    "Do not buy the abd unless a stick comes with him..
    Because the Abd has erased honor, is Backstabbing."

    It takes about Seven years for the cycle of islam to pass its course. Your time is coming up bmz, hope your friends and family are prepared to accept your new choices in life.



    Well, you are an Arab and Arabs have messed up the world. You take care of your kids and I hope you were not recited that poem. I hope you have also not recited it to your kids.  Cheesy

    I am not an Arab, so I don't care.

    Now, what is all that about the Seven year cycle of Islam? Can you elaborate? What is the wishful thinking of yours and what do you think will happen to me, my friends and family?  finmad

    May I ask this: Why most of the ex-Muslims still remain violent, retaining the same mindset and go quickly into Maulana Mode, without any reason? I had only explained a simple point to the lady. What irritated you? Cheesy

    BMZ
  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #28 - March 26, 2009, 06:19 AM
    Culturally and colloquially Arabs call blacks (Abeed, plural of Abd);

    and yes, it's like nowadays' (N-word),



    they do that cuz they simply have this general image about slaves being mostly (blacks), and the word slave is (Abd) in Arabic.


    And BTW, it's very common among Arabs...always call blacks abeed in a very degrading way.


    Just FYI, another word used is (Zinji).




     
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  • Re: Abd-The same term for both Blacks & Slaves in Arabic
     Reply #29 - March 26, 2009, 08:04 AM
    I wasn't called an abd, but I was called many a derogatory (and in their eyes terms of endearment  Roll Eyes ) names regarding my colour whenever I went to morocco on a holiday.

    This is inspite of the fact that I'm not the darkest type of moroccan you can get either, but apparantly I was dark enough that my bride price would be less, apparantly dark enough that my parents tried to bleach my skin time and time again in morocco and apparantly dark enough that I became ashamed of my colour, just like all the other girls in morocco who happened to be a more caramel colour like me.

    Black is bad, white is best, in the muslim arab world.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
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