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Reply #240 - April 08, 2009, 05:04 AM

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You can take your revenge FFI style. No problem. Have you answered my question?

Khalil Fariel of FFI is a fraud. In fact, some Muslims and I exposed him. He misquotes, misreports, distorts and misinforms. In fact, he gave you wrong tips on Arsh.

By the way, you sound as if you are a member of BJP, India. Cheesy

Anyway, get back into the debate. Will take a look at your answer tomorrow.

Cheers & Good Night

I havent joined BJp yet. I am sure I will be joining it. RIght now I have to pursue my studies and thats why I aint involving in any political organization but any organization that is against islam gets my support. I am not against muslims in general with the exception of guys like you who need to be treated in a way that they deserve .Seeing my anti islamic zeal muslims think that I am a christian. They do not know that even hindus too hate islam .lol

Btw I wonder what you have understood from quran. I suppose you are 51 years old i.e 28 years older than me so you must be reading quran more than the number of years of my age and I am surprised that you still havent understood it.

Btw you still havent understood the point in the debate. I have made the debate independent of arabic i.e I have snatched the stool beneath your feet. Quran used those words literally and hence the game is over. There is no need to see whether arabic allows any other interpretation.This is the 3rd time I am telling you.
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Reply #241 - April 08, 2009, 05:12 AM

Quote from: skynightblaze on April 08, 2009, 05:04 AM
Quote from: Bmz
You can take your revenge FFI style. No problem. Have you answered my question?

Khalil Fariel of FFI is a fraud. In fact, some Muslims and I exposed him. He misquotes, misreports, distorts and misinforms. In fact, he gave you wrong tips on Arsh.

By the way, you sound as if you are a member of BJP, India. Cheesy

Anyway, get back into the debate. Will take a look at your answer tomorrow.

Cheers & Good Night

I havent joined BJp yet. I am sure I will be joining it. RIght now I have to pursue my studies and thats why I aint involving in any political organization but any organization that is against islam gets my support. I am not against muslims in general with the exception of guys like you who need to be treated in a way that they deserve .Seeing my anti islamic zeal muslims think that I am a christian. They do not know that even hindus too hate islam .lol

Btw I wonder what you have understood from quran. I suppose you are 51 years old i.e 28 years older than me so you must be reading quran more than the number of years of my age and I am surprised that you still havent understood it.

Btw you still havent understood the point in the debate. I have made the debate independent of arabic i.e I have snatched the stool beneath your feet. Quran used those words literally and hence the game is over. There is no need to see whether arabic allows any other interpretation.This is the 3rd time I am telling you.

Get back in the ring, please and answer the question. The debate is not over. I have to write my conclusion and a summary.

It is still a long way to go. There is no need to run. You cannot leave a debate half way.

BMZ

ps: I will take a look after I come back later. I have never taken you to be a Christian. I know you are a Sub-Continental Hindu but SNB, it is no shame to be a Hindu. Don't worry about that.

Edited to add a comment.
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Reply #242 - April 08, 2009, 12:56 PM

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Get back in the ring, please and answer the question. The debate is not over. I have to write my conclusion and a summary.

It is still a long way to go. There is no need to run. You cannot leave a debate half way.

BMZ

ps: I will take a look after I come back later. I have never taken you to be a Christian. I know you are a Sub-Continental Hindu but SNB, it is no shame to be a Hindu. Don't worry about that.

Edited to add a comment.

The point is there is no need of answering that question because it is irrelevant and is not going to affect the outcome of the debate. IT has got nothing do with the debate as I have explained properly in my post in the thread.YOu may put the summary of the debate in your words now.
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Reply #243 - April 08, 2009, 02:14 PM

Quote from: skynightblaze on April 08, 2009, 12:56 PM
Quote from: Bmz
Get back in the ring, please and answer the question. The debate is not over. I have to write my conclusion and a summary.

It is still a long way to go. There is no need to run. You cannot leave a debate half way.

BMZ

ps: I will take a look after I come back later. I have never taken you to be a Christian. I know you are a Sub-Continental Hindu but SNB, it is no shame to be a Hindu. Don't worry about that.

Edited to add a comment.

The point is there is no need of answering that question because it is irrelevant and is not going to affect the outcome of the debate. IT has got nothing do with the debate as I have explained properly in my post in the thread.YOu may put the summary of the debate in your words now.

Instead of writing a cop out here, write this same answer in the debate topic. You are not debating in this topic.

If you do not provide your answer to the question asked in the debate topic, it is tantamount to running away and conceding defeat, from an ongoing debate in the topic One on One. Your choice!

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Reply #244 - April 08, 2009, 02:31 PM

Something is seriously wrong here with you. Its either that you dont understand or you pretend not to understand. I have answered this question twice in the debate thread and twice here now. IF you cant read properly what I write then its not my fault. Please go through the debate thread and present your summary or whatever you want.
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Reply #245 - April 08, 2009, 02:47 PM

Quote from: skynightblaze on April 08, 2009, 02:31 PM
Something is seriously wrong here with you. Its either that you dont understand or you pretend not to understand. I have answered this question twice in the debate thread and twice here now. IF you cant read properly what I write then its not my fault. Please go through the debate thread and present your summary or whatever you want.

You are simply ing the same.

No, you have not answered. You have been avoiding the question. Can you go into the debate section and highlight where you have answered?

By the way, why are you running away from a debate which has not been concluded?

Is this the way, you guys debate at FFI? I repeat. If you have provided an answer to the question, highlight it so that all the readers can see that you did answer.

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Reply #246 - April 08, 2009, 03:56 PM

Quote from: BMZ on April 08, 2009, 02:47 PM
Quote from: skynightblaze on April 08, 2009, 02:31 PM
Something is seriously wrong here with you. Its either that you dont understand or you pretend not to understand. I have answered this question twice in the debate thread and twice here now. IF you cant read properly what I write then its not my fault. Please go through the debate thread and present your summary or whatever you want.

You are simply ing the same.

No, you have not answered. You have been avoiding the question. Can you go into the debate section and highlight where you have answered?

By the way, why are you running away from a debate which has not been concluded?

Is this the way, you guys debate at FFI? I repeat. If you have provided an answer to the question, highlight it so that all the readers can see that you did answer.

BMZ

Its not always necessary to act dumb just like your prophet. He need not be emulated in each and every aspect.!!!You must sometimes use brain. I would just like to tell you one thing . By repetitively asking the same question again you are showing everyone how stupid a muslim can be!!No wonder why you chose to remain in a religion that has nothing intellectual to offer .Just read my post where I have summarized the debate again . May be you will understand what is that making me not respond to your question.
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Reply #247 - April 08, 2009, 04:10 PM

Quote from: skynightblaze on April 08, 2009, 03:56 PM
Quote from: BMZ on April 08, 2009, 02:47 PM
Quote from: skynightblaze on April 08, 2009, 02:31 PM
Something is seriously wrong here with you. Its either that you dont understand or you pretend not to understand. I have answered this question twice in the debate thread and twice here now. IF you cant read properly what I write then its not my fault. Please go through the debate thread and present your summary or whatever you want.

You are simply ing the same.

No, you have not answered. You have been avoiding the question. Can you go into the debate section and highlight where you have answered?

By the way, why are you running away from a debate which has not been concluded?

Is this the way, you guys debate at FFI? I repeat. If you have provided an answer to the question, highlight it so that all the readers can see that you did answer.

BMZ

Its not always necessary to act dumb just like your prophet. He need not be emulated in each and every aspect.!!!You must sometimes use brain. I would just like to tell you one thing . By repetitively asking the same question again you are showing everyone how stupid a muslim can be!!No wonder why you chose to remain in a religion that has nothing intellectual to offer .Just read my post where I have summarized the debate again . May be you will understand what is that making me not respond to your question.

You have lost all the credibility.

Look, you have chickened out of the debate. I am releasing and letting you go because I want to be miles away from you, when you start littering the place with your oral diarrhoea! You may now go back to Ali Sina's FFI cesspool.

Good night
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Reply #248 - April 08, 2009, 04:14 PM

Quote from: BMZ on April 08, 2009, 04:10 PM
Quote from: skynightblaze on April 08, 2009, 03:56 PM
Quote from: BMZ on April 08, 2009, 02:47 PM
Quote from: skynightblaze on April 08, 2009, 02:31 PM
Something is seriously wrong here with you. Its either that you dont understand or you pretend not to understand. I have answered this question twice in the debate thread and twice here now. IF you cant read properly what I write then its not my fault. Please go through the debate thread and present your summary or whatever you want.

You are simply ing the same.

No, you have not answered. You have been avoiding the question. Can you go into the debate section and highlight where you have answered?

By the way, why are you running away from a debate which has not been concluded?

Is this the way, you guys debate at FFI? I repeat. If you have provided an answer to the question, highlight it so that all the readers can see that you did answer.

BMZ

Its not always necessary to act dumb just like your prophet. He need not be emulated in each and every aspect.!!!You must sometimes use brain. I would just like to tell you one thing . By repetitively asking the same question again you are showing everyone how stupid a muslim can be!!No wonder why you chose to remain in a religion that has nothing intellectual to offer .Just read my post where I have summarized the debate again . May be you will understand what is that making me not respond to your question.

You have lost all the credibility.

Look, you have chickened out of the debate. I am releasing and letting you go because I want to be miles away from you, when you start littering the place with your oral diarrhoea! You may now go back to Ali Sina's FFI cesspool.

Good night
BMZ

Its sad to know that you dont even understand when you are defeated. Btw could you please ask anyone on this forum whether I need to answer your question or not.
One thing is clear for me .Islam is the religion of dumb!!!
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Reply #249 - April 08, 2009, 04:18 PM

Is it just me, or am I correct in stating that the atmosphere in this thread is quite frosty?

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Reply #250 - April 08, 2009, 04:23 PM

Quote from: IsLame on April 08, 2009, 04:18 PM
Is it just me, or am I correct in stating that the atmosphere in this thread is quite frosty?

Islame I have a request for you . Can you please explain this mentally handicapped person that once i prove quran used ARsh and kursi as literal I need not worry whether Arsh and kursi in arabic can be interpreted differently or not. He cant understand such a simple thing. Anyway take it as a challenge that you can explain him. I am more than sure that you will fail. HE simply is amazingly dumb!
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Reply #251 - April 08, 2009, 04:23 PM

BMZ,

He has answered your question; it is too bad that you are not able to understand it. It is silly to keep asking him to answer your question when he has already answered it. He is right in not indulging you unnecessarily.

Anyway, you have chosen to dead-lock this round of debate. It does not matter in the end; readers are the judge and the jury.

I shall wait for skynightblaze to start the second and final round by presenting a contradiction in Quran. Let us see how you handle that.

Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
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Reply #252 - April 08, 2009, 04:26 PM

Quote from: IsLame on April 08, 2009, 04:18 PM
Is it just me, or am I correct in stating that the atmosphere in this thread is quite frosty?

Hello, Islame

It is better to let skynightblaze go after he submitted his post #248 and once an FFI writer goes into typical FFI Mode, foaming at the mouth, it can turn very ugly.

Thanks for your positive comments.

Good night from Singapore
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Reply #253 - April 08, 2009, 04:27 PM

Quote from: skynightblaze on April 08, 2009, 04:23 PM
Quote from: IsLame on April 08, 2009, 04:18 PM
Is it just me, or am I correct in stating that the atmosphere in this thread is quite frosty?

Islame I have a request for you . Can you please explain this mentally handicapped person that once i prove quran used ARsh and kursi as literal I need not worry whether Arsh and kursi in arabic can be interpreted differently or not. He cant understand such a simple thing. Anyway take it as a challenge that you can explain him. I am more than sure that you will fail. HE simply is amazingly dumb!

No one in this world, let alone Islame, can make a person understand a point if he chooses deliberately not to understand it. No one can wake up a person who is pretending to be asleep. I would request you to move on and start the second round.

Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
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Reply #254 - April 08, 2009, 04:28 PM

Quote from: skynightblaze on April 08, 2009, 04:23 PM
Quote from: IsLame on April 08, 2009, 04:18 PM
Is it just me, or am I correct in stating that the atmosphere in this thread is quite frosty?

Islame I have a request for you . Can you please explain this mentally handicapped person that once i prove quran used ARsh and kursi as literal I need not worry whether Arsh and kursi in arabic can be interpreted differently or not. He cant understand such a simple thing. Anyway take it as a challenge that you can explain him. I am more than sure that you will fail. HE simply is amazingly dumb!

You've just done that. You should retract the mentally handicapped statement, its not a nice thing being mentally handicapped nor is it their fault, so I really believe it should not be used in a derogatory fashion like this, no matter how annoyed you are with him.

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Reply #255 - April 08, 2009, 04:30 PM

Quote from: IsLame on April 08, 2009, 04:28 PM
Quote from: skynightblaze on April 08, 2009, 04:23 PM
Quote from: IsLame on April 08, 2009, 04:18 PM
Is it just me, or am I correct in stating that the atmosphere in this thread is quite frosty?

Islame I have a request for you . Can you please explain this mentally handicapped person that once i prove quran used ARsh and kursi as literal I need not worry whether Arsh and kursi in arabic can be interpreted differently or not. He cant understand such a simple thing. Anyway take it as a challenge that you can explain him. I am more than sure that you will fail. HE simply is amazingly dumb!

You've just done that. You should retract the mentally handicapped statement, its not a nice thing being mentally handicapped nor is it their fault, so I really believe it should not be used in a derogatory fashion like this, no matter how annoyed you are with him.

Point taken !!
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Reply #256 - April 08, 2009, 04:35 PM

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To: BerberElla

skynightblaze has run away from the debate. It was not even half way through.

You may lock this topic now. If the poster or any other FFI member wishes to debate, he/she can open another topic.

Thank you and all for giving me the chance and a huge space to write here, allowing me to write freely.

Salaams & good night
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Please don't cop out and run from the second round.

If you really believe that skynightblaze is running away from the debate, it is he who should have made this request to lock the thread down, and not you

Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
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Reply #257 - April 08, 2009, 04:41 PM

Quote from: charlesmartel on April 08, 2009, 04:23 PM
BMZ,

He has answered your question; it is too bad that you are not able to understand it. It is silly to keep asking him to answer your question when he has already answered it. He is right in not indulging you unnecessarily.

Anyway, you have chosen to dead-lock this round of debate. It does not matter in the end; readers are the judge and the jury.

I shall wait for skynightblaze to start the second and final round by presenting a contradiction in Quran. Let us see how you handle that.

Charles,

skynightblaze has simply run away while the debate was on. He never answered that question and did not respond at all.
I even gave him a chance to highlight his answer to my specific question and he was unable to answer.

I am sure you know how a debate is carried out. Please send someone else.

Any lead writer of Ali Sina's FFI can take over from where skynightblaze left. I can consider that and may request BerberElla to open the topic again.

If you wish to to start the second and final round or many rounds by presenting lots of "contradictions" in Quran, please send a guy who knows Arabic. Otherwise it would be like talking to goons like Ali Sina, Ibn Warraq, Kamran Mirza and Abul Kasem, who
are as 'good' as skynightblaze.

Why don't you send Kalil Fariel here? Ask him to come, write, discuss and debate here.

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Reply #258 - April 08, 2009, 04:48 PM

Why not request for Ali Sina - who's Kalil Fariel?

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Reply #259 - April 08, 2009, 04:56 PM

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Charles,

skynightblaze has simply run away while the debate was on. He never answered that question and did not respond at all.
I even gave him a chance to highlight his answer to my specific question and he was unable to answer.

See, too many repetitions of the verses in Quran has made you develop a bad habit of not understanding a point unless it is repeated many (a dozen, or more??) times . You are free to consider yourself has having won the first round if it stops you from copping out and avoiding the second round.

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If you wish to to start the second and final round or many rounds by presenting lots of "contradictions" in Quran, please send a guy who knows Arabic. Otherwise it would be like talking to goons like Ali Sina, Ibn Warraq, Kamran Mirza and Abul Kasem, who are as 'good' as skynightblaze.

I hope you realize the folly of trying to hide behind the fig-leaf of Arabic. That would prove yet another claim of Muslims wrong.

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Why don't you send Kalil Fariel here? Ask him to come, write, discuss and debate here.

Oh boy, he does seem to be your second biggest obsession after FFI, doesn't he?

Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
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Reply #260 - April 08, 2009, 04:58 PM

Quote from: IsLame on April 08, 2009, 04:48 PM
Why not request for Ali Sina - who's Kalil Fariel?

Do you think Ali sina would waste his time on such a person? Just look at him he cannot even beat me why should people like Khalil Fariel or Ali sina bother debating a person who is so low on IQ. I mean its getting simply pathetic .
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Reply #261 - April 08, 2009, 05:07 PM

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Unlike you I accepted that I dont understand arabic. People have seen your understanding of arabic. YOu couldnt write one sentence correctly and secondly you were required to contradict yourself when it exposed you. Thirdly You have demonstrated that logic and you have no connection at all. I am going to quote my reply and your stupidity of asking me the question again and again on FFI. Dont you wish that people on FFI see how superior is your logic?
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Reply #262 - April 08, 2009, 05:11 PM

Re. your bewildering choice of next topic of error in the Quran:

Man says: "What! When I am dead, shall I then be raised up alive?"
67. But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?

This just means that God has the power to do anything. Its another logical fallacy, but thats all that religion tends to consist of?

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Reply #263 - April 08, 2009, 05:13 PM

Quote from: IsLame on April 08, 2009, 05:11 PM
Re. your bewildering choice of next topic of error in the Quran:

Man says: "What! When I am dead, shall I then be raised up alive?"
67. But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?

This just means that God has the power to do anything. Its another logical fallacy, but thats all that religion tends to consist of?

Oh man that is not the next topic. THat is the clarification regarding my previous topic!!!!
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Reply #264 - April 08, 2009, 05:17 PM

Glad to hear it

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Reply #265 - April 08, 2009, 05:20 PM

Quote from: IsLame on April 08, 2009, 05:17 PM
Glad to hear it

Even I was shocked. I made that post just to prove that we would be born in a similar way that we are on earth. You and some others had opposed me early in the debate that is a matter of spirituality and hence believers seeing angels going around the throne may be possible. That is not the case however because we would be resurrected the same way we were born
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Reply #266 - April 08, 2009, 05:52 PM

No, thats not correct. You need to stop making your own inferences, and then proceed with debating on the logic of them. I hope you dont do that with you next topic.. that's if you get a second chance

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Reply #267 - April 08, 2009, 06:16 PM

Quote from: IsLame on April 08, 2009, 05:52 PM
No, thats not correct. You need to stop making your own inferences, and then proceed with debating on the logic of them. I hope you dont do that with you next topic.. that's if you get a second chance

If that is the case then why dont you prove me wrong? Show my error. I have used logic to reach a conclusion. Btw next topic would be a clear contradiction unlike this one.
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Reply #268 - April 08, 2009, 06:56 PM

Quote from: skynightblaze on April 08, 2009, 06:16 PM
Quote from: IsLame on April 08, 2009, 05:52 PM
No, thats not correct. You need to stop making your own inferences, and then proceed with debating on the logic of them. I hope you dont do that with you next topic.. that's if you get a second chance

If that is the case then why dont you prove me wrong? Show my error. I have used logic to reach a conclusion. Btw next topic would be a clear contradiction unlike this one.

Quote from: skynightblaze on April 08, 2009, 06:16 PM
If that is the case then why dont you prove me wrong? Show my error. I have used logic to reach a conclusion. Btw next topic would be a clear contradiction unlike this one.

My comment below was about your debating ability, not the argument of the debate.

The debate was between you & BMZ, not me. If you still want to know the answer to your question, I cant prove you wrong, as I actually agreed with your hypothesis, but felt you did not conclusively prove anything for me. There are hundreds of books of writings, and you chose that example.

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Reply #269 - April 08, 2009, 07:00 PM

Quote from: IsLame on April 08, 2009, 06:56 PM
Quote from: skynightblaze on April 08, 2009, 06:16 PM
Quote from: IsLame on April 08, 2009, 05:52 PM
No, thats not correct. You need to stop making your own inferences, and then proceed with debating on the logic of them. I hope you dont do that with you next topic.. that's if you get a second chance

If that is the case then why dont you prove me wrong? Show my error. I have used logic to reach a conclusion. Btw next topic would be a clear contradiction unlike this one.

Quote from: skynightblaze on April 08, 2009, 06:16 PM
If that is the case then why dont you prove me wrong? Show my error. I have used logic to reach a conclusion. Btw next topic would be a clear contradiction unlike this one.

My comment below was about your debating ability, not the argument of the debate.

The debate was between you & BMZ, not me. If you still want to know the answer to your question, I cant prove you wrong, as I actually agreed with your hypothesis, but felt you did not conclusively prove anything for me. There are hundreds of books of writings, and you chose that example.

I dont have ego problems in accepting that I was wrong. I do agree there were hundreds of contradictions for me to chose but I deliberately didnt chose any. Anyway since I have decided to go for this topic I would like to know my mistake. May be in the future I can improve it. Please show me where I went wrong in assuming what I wrote in the debate section. Anyway thanks for the tip Islame. Iwill keep in mind next time .
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