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  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #360 - April 14, 2009, 10:38 AM
    I have my personal explanation for the Christian Trinity.

    Basically, Christianity wanted to gain better credibility by basing itself on an already established religion: Judaism. (PS: just like Islam)
    So they took part of their faith in the form of the Old Testament and added their religion to it in the form of the New Testament.

    Now, anyone who has read both, will obviously notice that in the OT, God is a sort of tyrant that favors a bunch of people, while in the NT God is supposed to be some uber-benevolent being who spreads universal peace and love and non-violence.

    The Christian solution? Just say they are two different manifestations of God.

    PS: as opposed to the Islamic solution: claim the old message got "corrupted"... twice... incompetent God vs personality-disorder God Cheesy:D:D
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #361 - April 14, 2009, 10:41 AM
    PPS: my theory fails to explain how Christianity came up with the notion of Holy Ghost... I have not found any sense in that YET :S
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #362 - April 14, 2009, 11:15 AM

    Quote from: BMZ
    Leave it at this, KhaliL.


     Now that was convenient.

    Quote from: BMZ
    I have alread explained my concern.

     

    But that did not help. See Rashna is murdering you; and you are stranded helpless.

    Quote from: BMZ
    You guys are void of logic.


    And you are full of logic and it is what overflowing in your posts...!!!

    Quote from: BMZ
    Are you receptive to my idea of discussing Qur'aan here?


    Sure/
    I would start from the flaws of Quran-only approach and move on. Are you okay with it? Or wait?,

    Quote from: BMZ
    You with your favorite topics, verses and me doing the grilling?


    Yup; Chapter 111 of Quran is my favourite pick nowadays.
     
    Perish the hands of Abu Lahab and perish he..! His wealth and whatever he earned did not avail him of anything. Certainly he shall be cast into a baking Fire, and his wife, too, the bearer of slander, Round her neck will be a rope of palm-fiber.[Quran chapter 111]

    Who is thisAbu Lahab? (Name sounds masculine) What is going on here? Allah seems to have lost all his wits..!!

    Quote from: BMZ
    It would be fun and very interesting.


    You mean you will add a lot of smileys in your posts..? In case you didn?t get it yet; inserting smileys alone does not make posts very funny and interesting.

    But the chapter I brought is hilarious given that it starts 'In the name of a god who is beneficent and most merciful..!!!

    Have fun; start your grilling work? I am going off-line to come back soon;

    Cheers dear BMZ, (Please do not get offended. Whatever it is; take it in its true spirit) Smiley


    KF
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #363 - April 14, 2009, 12:12 PM

    Quote from: BMZ
    Leave it at this, KhaliL.


    Quote from: KhaliLF
    Now that was convenient.


    It was to avoid intellectual masturbation and you know very well that I hate getting into it. 

    Quote from: BMZ
    I have alread explained my concern.

     

    Quote from: KhaliLF
    But that did not help. See Rashna is murdering you; and you are stranded helpless.


    Most of Rashna's posts are the usual junk and stuff, which she keeps on copying and pasting, bukrataun wa aseela. (I think you will enjoy the Arabic words transliterated). To some, I respond and ignore the rest, which do not deserve a reply. Try not to mention others in any post which you wish to discuss with me from now onwards.

    Quote from: BMZ
    You guys are void of logic.


    Quote from: KhaliLF
    And you are full of logic and it is what overflowing in your posts...!!!


    We can leave that Tu Quoque aside.

    Quote from: BMZ
    Are you receptive to my idea of discussing Qur'aan here?


    Quote from: KhaliLF
    Sure/
    I would start from the flaws of Quran-only approach and move on. Are you okay with it? Or wait?,


    Quote from: BMZ
    You with your favorite topics, verses and me doing the grilling?


    Quote from: KhaliLF
    Yup; Chapter 111 of Quran is my favourite pick nowadays.
     
    Perish the hands of Abu Lahab and perish he..! His wealth and whatever he earned did not avail him of anything. Certainly he shall be cast into a baking Fire, and his wife, too, the bearer of slander, Round her neck will be a rope of palm-fiber.[Quran chapter 111]

    Who is thisAbu Lahab? (Name sounds masculine) What is going on here? Allah seems to have lost all his wits..!!


    Quote from: BMZ
    It would be fun and very interesting.


    Quote from: KhaliLF
    You mean you will add a lot of smileys in your posts..? In case you didn?t get it yet; inserting smileys alone does not make posts very funny and interesting.

    But the chapter I brought is hilarious given that it starts 'In the name of a god who is beneficent and most merciful..!!!

    Have fun; start your grilling work? I am going off-line to come back soon;

    Cheers dear BMZ, (Please do not get offended. Whatever it is; take it in its true spirit) Smiley


    No problem. The atmosphere is more cordial here. No hurries and no worries. I will be going out too. Will write later when I am free. See, you used a smiley but I did not mind.  Wink I do not use smileys to make a point. I use them as emoticons.

    You are in a different class from other polemic posters. We will just exchange the thoughts. You write whatever you like and likewise, I will do the same.

    I would suggest either of us opens a new topic Qur'aan Discussions. If we discuss here, it will get buried in the heaps of quick moving posts. You may start a new topic and post Abu Lahab there. 

    All can write in the new topic but I will be mainly discussing with you and those who have knowledge of Arabic.
    It is indeed a pleasure to see you here and we will have interesting exchanges in the most civil manner, leaving all others to go into whatever mode they like. Wink

    Cheers
    BMZ

  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #364 - April 14, 2009, 12:29 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on April 14, 2009, 10:41 AM
    PPS: my theory fails to explain how Christianity came up with the notion of Holy Ghost... I have not found any sense in that YET :S


    Tlaloc, can you please explain what the Catholic Church says...I don't accept the Trinity, I find it absurd as I do all god\s & I know that you're not a believer either, but how do the Church explain it?
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #365 - April 14, 2009, 12:58 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on April 14, 2009, 12:29 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on April 14, 2009, 10:41 AM
    PPS: my theory fails to explain how Christianity came up with the notion of Holy Ghost... I have not found any sense in that YET :S


    Tlaloc, can you please explain what the Catholic Church says...I don't accept the Trinity, I find it absurd as I do all god\s & I know that you're not a believer either, but how do the Church explain it?

    They believe that there is one God that manifests itself in three ways:

    "The Father"
    "The Son"
    "The Holy Ghost"

    And these three manifestations of the same "divine substance" have always existed "since the beginning of time".
    So, technically, they do not believe that "The Son" is an actual son of "The Father" in the literal sense of the word (which is something that opponents of the Trinity like to ignore), since they have both always existed... it's more like "The Son" is that one manifestation of God that represents love and sacrifice, while "The Father" is the representation of stern justice and protection.

    One metaphor I have heard kinda often is that of water:
    Imagine water being God... There is only ONE substance that can be called water, and that is H2O.
    Yet, it can manifest itself in ways that we perceive as: liquid water, ice, vapor.
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #366 - April 14, 2009, 01:10 PM
    Grazie Tlaloc!

    Absurd, but no more absurd than any other God concept!  Roll Eyes
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #367 - April 14, 2009, 01:19 PM
    I understand when Muslims feel Hinduism is Polytheism. I feel it very strange when Christians fail to understand that Hindus think their multiple gods are manifestation of one Supreme. I mean if 3 in one is possible than 33 million in 1 is also possible Wink
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #368 - April 14, 2009, 01:36 PM
    Quote from: Rashna
    Because he had dumber followers & could afford being dumb!

    In Quran 033.053, Allah tells guests to be circumspect in barging into Muhammad's house, only come when invited & leave immediately after eating, without lingering for gossip, because such stuff annoy Muhammad, but while Mo is shy about asking guests to leave, Allah isn't shy in telling them these stuff!  Tongue

    Any smart follower would realise that its extremely suspicious, to say the least,that the Creator of the Universe cares about the length of time guests spend in Mo's house, & is asking guests to leave as Muhammad is shy to tell them so himself, but Muhammad's followers still believed him!  grin12


    Even today Muhhamad has dumb followers. Apart from the verse that you mentioned my favourite verse is Muhhamad -Zainab affair. I  laughed like hell when I read the verse for the first time. Look how naughty is Allah. I wonder why he is so interested in sexual life of MO. Cheesy
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #369 - April 14, 2009, 01:43 PM
    Quote from: BMZ
    It is still silly, KhaliL.  You continue to fail to understand and I must say both you and skynight failed to understand. It is a statement made by me during the debate. If I write a note or a comment to make a point, you cannot ask me to produce a source, because I am the source of that note.


    BMZ  here is a gentle reminder for you. This is not a story telling competition or you are not writing your blog here. ITs a debate.There is a difference between writing a blog and writing a post in a debate. Come on now like a good guy tell us the name of the  traditional muslim guy who composed that post for you. Next time please tell him the terms of the debate. Anyway the context you mentioned doesnt help you . You were still refuted.
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #370 - April 14, 2009, 01:49 PM
    Quote from: Calm on April 14, 2009, 01:19 PM
    I understand when Muslims feel Hinduism is Polytheism. I feel it very strange when Christians fail to understand that Hindus think their multiple gods are manifestation of one Supreme. I mean if 3 in one is possible than 33 million in 1 is also possible Wink

    I didnt realise that - so hinduism is not a polytheistic religion?  Is that what most, if not all, hindus believe?
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  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #371 - April 14, 2009, 01:50 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on April 14, 2009, 01:36 PM
    Look how naughty is Allah. I wonder why he is so interested in sexual life of MO. Cheesy


    As our forum member Anti Jihadist(I think?)said, "Allah was the bouncer of Mo's harem!"  rofl

    Ayesha also expressed it succintly, " "It seems to me that your Lord hastens to satisfy your desire." Sahih Muslim vol.2:3453-3454 p.748-749.

    With such an Allah to deal with, I wonder why anyone will think of the absurdities of triple or multiple gods!  idiot2
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #372 - April 14, 2009, 01:52 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on April 14, 2009, 01:36 PM
    my favourite verse is Muhhamad -Zainab affair. I  laughed like hell when I read the verse for the first time.

    Which one is this?
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  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #373 - April 14, 2009, 01:55 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on April 14, 2009, 01:10 PM
    Grazie Tlaloc!

    Prego Smiley

    Quote from: Rashna on April 14, 2009, 01:10 PM
    Absurd, but no more absurd than any other God concept!  Roll Eyes

    It's not TOO absurd.
    Not when compared with other funny stuff like the idea that the "(non) death" of the human incarnation of an omniscent and omnipotent God is supposed to be considered a "sacrifice" to save our sorry mortal ass.

    If nothing is lost, it's not a sacrifice at all. I like to tell Christians: if I were sure I were immortal I would try to get killed simply out of curiosity. How is it a sacrifice? :S
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #374 - April 14, 2009, 01:58 PM
    Quote from: Calm on April 14, 2009, 01:19 PM
    I understand when Muslims feel Hinduism is Polytheism. I feel it very strange when Christians fail to understand that Hindus think their multiple gods are manifestation of one Supreme. I mean if 3 in one is possible than 33 million in 1 is also possible Wink

    Indeed.
    One explanation for the introduction of the concept of Trinity is that it was a rip off from the Trimurti.
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #375 - April 14, 2009, 02:04 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 14, 2009, 01:49 PM
    Quote from: Calm on April 14, 2009, 01:19 PM
    I understand when Muslims feel Hinduism is Polytheism. I feel it very strange when Christians fail to understand that Hindus think their multiple gods are manifestation of one Supreme. I mean if 3 in one is possible than 33 million in 1 is also possible Wink

    I didnt realise that - so hinduism is not a polytheistic religion?  Is that what most, if not all, hindus believe?


    Yes, most Hindus do believe that there is only one absolute and there are various manifestation/incarnation of that absolute. And they can worship that absolute through number of forms, idols and attributes however the absolute is beyond all forms and human attributes.  So, they refer to absolute when they use words like 'Brahman' or 'Ishvara' or 'Bhagwan'. And they refer to their deity when they use Krishna, Shiva, Ram etc.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/beliefs/intro_1.shtml

    This is a good intro.
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #376 - April 14, 2009, 02:08 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on April 14, 2009, 01:55 PM
    It's not TOO absurd.
    Not when compared with other funny stuff like the idea that the "(non) death" of the human incarnation of an omniscent and omnipotent God is supposed to be considered a "sacrifice" to save our sorry mortal ass.

    If nothing is lost, it's not a sacrifice at all. I like to tell Christians: if I were sure I were immortal I would try to get killed simply out of curiosity. How is it a sacrifice? :S


    Indeed!

    As a deity, just visiting, Jesus was perfectly well aware that all he was doing was shuffling off his mortal coil and almost immediately going back to where he belonged, where, no doubt, he sat down to a good cup of tea and proceeded to watch what effect his earthly mission had on those he had recently left behind.

    Also, how happy was he to have assumed that mortal coil in the first place? There's a wonderful passage in Mark that gives us a clue. It's at 9:19. Jesus, ticked off once again by what he perceives as human stupidity, says, ''O, unbelieving generation! How long will I be with you? How long must I put up with you?"

    These are clearly not the words of a man happy in his work. These are clearly the words of a man with one eye on the clock and wishing that it was five and he could go home, however bad the traffic was on the way. These are clearly the words of a man who just wants to get it over with so he can have a shower, sit down, and relax.

    I really don't see what sacrifice was involved, except the sacrifice of having to leave home for a short time and put in his shift, and we all, most of us anyway, do that.


    An Absolute God, the Ultimate Being, has to first create everyone on earth...then, he finds it necessary to impregnate a virgin, in order to give birth to Himself, to come down to earth as an incarnation of Himself, in order to forgive His people who he had made in the image of Himself, and to 'sacrifice' Himself to Himself, so he could ultimately sit beside Himself, in order to save the world from...(wait for it)...the wrath of HIMSELF! Taa-Daa!!

    It doesn't get much more ridiculous than that.  idiot2
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #377 - April 14, 2009, 03:11 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on April 14, 2009, 02:08 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on April 14, 2009, 01:55 PM
    It's not TOO absurd.
    Not when compared with other funny stuff like the idea that the "(non) death" of the human incarnation of an omniscent and omnipotent God is supposed to be considered a "sacrifice" to save our sorry mortal ass.

    If nothing is lost, it's not a sacrifice at all. I like to tell Christians: if I were sure I were immortal I would try to get killed simply out of curiosity. How is it a sacrifice? :S


    Indeed!

    As a deity, just visiting, Jesus was perfectly well aware that all he was doing was shuffling off his mortal coil and almost immediately going back to where he belonged, where, no doubt, he sat down to a good cup of tea and proceeded to watch what effect his earthly mission had on those he had recently left behind.

    Also, how happy was he to have assumed that mortal coil in the first place? There's a wonderful passage in Mark that gives us a clue. It's at 9:19. Jesus, ticked off once again by what he perceives as human stupidity, says, ''O, unbelieving generation! How long will I be with you? How long must I put up with you?"


    I really don't see what sacrifice was involved, except the sacrifice of having to leave home for a short time and put in his shift, and we all, most of us anyway, do that.





    It's great isn't it? I'm sure that Th myth was all the work of one guy, or at least a group of like minded men who shared the same vapid ideas about how a son of god should be portrayed. The 'sacrifice' of his etc, that kind of logic can only come from the supremely selfish, which is a pre-requisite for those that like to  impose their will on others and make stories to gain control. The only reason there isn't a Bible Two is because no-one would fall for it nowadays in this (rightly) cynical world of ours.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #378 - April 14, 2009, 03:17 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 14, 2009, 01:52 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on April 14, 2009, 01:36 PM
    my favourite verse is Muhhamad -Zainab affair. I  laughed like hell when I read the verse for the first time.

    Which one is this?



    33.37.
    Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favour: "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah." But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah.s command must be fulfilled.

    Here is the classic verse for you.A clear cut case of a jerk aroused by his adopted sons wife!! What a disgusting prophet!! IF I were zaid I would have beaten him black and blue and spit on him.Poor Zaid was fooled and his wife was snatched from him.
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #379 - April 14, 2009, 05:40 PM
    I love how BMZ conveniently avoids the Holocaust debate, just like AW avoided the thread about Mohammad's pedophilia.

     whistling2
    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #380 - April 14, 2009, 11:25 PM
    Quote from: Zaephon on April 14, 2009, 05:40 PM
    I love how BMZ conveniently avoids the Holocaust debate, just like AW avoided the thread about Mohammad's pedophilia.

     whistling2


    Have you answered my first question? If you have replied, let me know. Or have you avoided it?  Cheesy

    BMZ
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #381 - April 14, 2009, 11:58 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on April 14, 2009, 03:17 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 14, 2009, 01:52 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on April 14, 2009, 01:36 PM
    my favourite verse is Muhhamad -Zainab affair. I  laughed like hell when I read the verse for the first time.

    Which one is this?



    33.37.
    Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favour: "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah." But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah.s command must be fulfilled.

    Here is the classic verse for you.A clear cut case of a jerk aroused by his adopted sons wife!! What a disgusting prophet!! IF I were zaid I would have beaten him black and blue and spit on him.Poor Zaid was fooled and his wife was snatched from him.


    skynightblaze,

    This is a classic example of you being the clear-cut jerk here. It was so idiotic of you, when you wrote, "Zaid was fooled and his wife was snatched from him", without understanding that Zaid was the one who had divorced her and dissolved the marriage. At least try to comprehend the English again. I feel you write without comprehending anything.

    Don't talk like an Indian. Why are you so violent?  Cheesy Do you think in Hindi first and then translate into English before you write?  Cheesy

    Can you show how many verses cover this particular point, for which you cherry-picked only one verse?

    BMZ
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #382 - April 15, 2009, 03:52 AM
    Quote from: BMZ on April 14, 2009, 11:58 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on April 14, 2009, 03:17 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 14, 2009, 01:52 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on April 14, 2009, 01:36 PM
    my favourite verse is Muhhamad -Zainab affair. I  laughed like hell when I read the verse for the first time.

    Which one is this?



    33.37.
    Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favour: "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah." But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah.s command must be fulfilled.

    Here is the classic verse for you.A clear cut case of a jerk aroused by his adopted sons wife!! What a disgusting prophet!! IF I were zaid I would have beaten him black and blue and spit on him.Poor Zaid was fooled and his wife was snatched from him.


    skynightblaze,

    This is a classic example of you being the clear-cut jerk here. It was so idiotic of you, when you wrote, "Zaid was fooled and his wife was snatched from him", without understanding that Zaid was the one who had divorced her and dissolved the marriage. At least try to comprehend the English again. I feel you write without comprehending anything.

    Don't talk like an Indian. Why are you so violent?  Cheesy Do you think in Hindi first and then translate into English before you write?  Cheesy

    Can you show how many verses cover this particular point, for which you cherry-picked only one verse?

    BMZ




    Btw  did you ever pass in your schools? i highly doubt it.1All these 51 years I think you grew only physically. You show a maturity  of a 7 year old kid.  For 51 years of your life you have been just a troll. YOu could never make any promotion.

     Whether I first think in hindi and then translate it into English doesnt matter because logic is independent of any language. My mother tongue is marathi and not hindi but still I understand hindi well but unfortunately just like your dumb prophet you and logic have absolutely no connection so you would not understand this point and keep repeating the same thing again and again just like you do in the debate section.As I always say there is no need to prove that you are a professional troll again and again. Mate you have already made your mark and you rank no 1 in trolling . I suspect that you want to maintain consistency and thats why you try even more harder!! Cheesy


    Your filthy prophet was the one who was aroused when he saw her half dressed. Your own sources tell us this.Ofcourse you reject them but that doesnt mean they are false  however I knew brain dead zombie like you would question here and I was prepared for it. Lets see whether you understand some logic or not though I know you wont.


     Zaid divorced her after he came to know of your filthy prophets desire for her. IT was  your dirty old man who lusted after her .Its  clear from the verse itself that it was muhhamad who desired her and the verses came only to satisfy his lust.


    The verse 33:37  that muhhamad hide in his heart something that Allah was to reveal.
     Now the question is what did Muhhamad hide in here?The obvious answer is which Allah was to reveal. Now what did Allah reveal? ITs the order to marry Zainab  as seen from 33:37.This means muhhamad hide in his heart the desire to marry zainab .

    It is clear from above that   muhhamad hide in his heart the desire to marry zainab something which Allah hadnt revealed which means muhhamad desired zainab even before the verse was revealed .If allah hadnt commanded anything how could muhhamad hide this thing in his heart unless he himself felt like marrying her?

    There is your filthy sexual pervert !!  Now you tell me why Zaid divorced here using quran only. I have proved that Muhhamad desired Zainab.The reason why he divorced is clear.
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #383 - April 15, 2009, 06:11 AM
    Quote from: BMZ
    Have you answered my first question? If you have replied, let me know. Or have you avoided it?

    I'm angry at myself for wasting the time to post time-consuming replies to your gibberish.  You're trolling. 

    Heartbomb provided some statistics earlier on which you conveniently ignored, even though it's ostensibly your responsibility to bring up any evidence against the Holocaust, since it is you who "challenge" the widely accepted understanding of the event.

    Now get real.
    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #384 - April 15, 2009, 06:21 AM
    Quote from: Zaephon on April 15, 2009, 06:11 AM
    I'm angry at myself for wasting the time to post intelligent replies to your gibberish. You're trolling. 


    If he wanted to troll intentionally on ex Muslim boards, he went into a lot of trouble to learn Arabic!  Roll Eyes

    Maybe he's simply capable of enormous self deception, he accepts what he likes, dismisses whatever he dislikes whether its history or Islamic texts, all to maintain his belief.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #385 - April 15, 2009, 08:53 AM
    BMZ and SNB: cool it on the gratuitous personal attacks.
    If you keep it up I'll be handing out smites and locking threads.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #386 - April 15, 2009, 09:19 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 15, 2009, 08:53 AM
    BMZ and SNB: cool it on the gratuitous personal attacks.
    If you keep it up I'll be handing out smites and locking threads.

    Ok Os sorry for that! Btw how is the debate supposed to go ahead? I mean is it going to be a seperate thread or am I supposed to continue in the same? I have no problems either way .
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #387 - April 15, 2009, 09:43 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 15, 2009, 08:53 AM
    BMZ and SNB: cool it on the gratuitous personal attacks.
    If you keep it up I'll be handing out smites and locking threads.


    No worries, mate.

    I have already put Skynightblaze on IGNORE along with some others, with immediate effect.

    BMZ

  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #388 - April 15, 2009, 09:57 AM
    Quote from: BMZ on April 15, 2009, 09:43 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 15, 2009, 08:53 AM
    BMZ and SNB: cool it on the gratuitous personal attacks.
    If you keep it up I'll be handing out smites and locking threads.


    No worries, mate.

    I have already put Skynightblaze on IGNORE along with some others, with immediate effect.

    BMZ




    Do you want to debate or not? Even I do not wish to talk to you but I dont mind debating you in one on one matches. Let me know of your stance. Btw  you tried mocking people at FFI who didnt reply to you in the same tone as you. With me its a different case. IF you try to mock me then in the next post you will see mockery as never seen before.
  • Re: A Question to Ex-Muslims Only
     Reply #389 - April 15, 2009, 11:07 AM
    Quote from: Rashna
    Maybe he's simply capable of enormous self deception, he accepts what he likes, dismisses whatever he dislikes whether its history or Islamic texts, all to maintain his belief.

    He's evading questions and he has consistently failed to bring up any evidence for his statements.
    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
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