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 Topic: Hullo!

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  • Hullo!
     OP - March 28, 2009, 05:41 AM
    Hullo.

    Why did I come here again... Thinking hard oh yeah, I just wanted to ask a question.


    Regarding this lecture on ex-muslims and wavering muslims:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMANKaX8khw


    Any opinions? Is it true?

    By the way I became anti-porn after reading this:

    http://monitor.newsvine.com/_news/2006/11/28/460788-turkeys-kurds-satellite-tv-and-incest

    And reading this:

    http://www.oneangrygirl.net/antiporn.html

    http://antipornographyactivist.wordpress.com/
    (Jenna Jameson?s 25 Reasons)

    I noticed that some folks didn't seem to mind when it came to certain avatars.


    As for my parents... I'm just glad that they did not sexual abuse me out of all the abuse I got from them.


     thnkyu
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #1 - March 28, 2009, 06:59 AM
    I remember Dr. Jeffrey Lang. When I was a member of Muxlim, I, and other Muslims always glorified him. However, now that I look at it logically, he's explanations for the Quran doesn't hold any strength.

    For instance, in his book, he sees the story of Adam and Eve, Jinns etc. to be allegorical. At the best, he's a 'reformed' Muslim without admitting it. Much like Irshad Manji, although she does admit it. I have no problem with reforming Islam. He firmly believes in evolution, something also most Muslims are strongly against.

    If you read his book, you can see that most of his story about him converting to Islam is very personal. His father was a very violent man. He was a complete drunk that beat his children and his wife constantly. So it's safe to say he had a rough childhood. Then, he became an atheist being a former catholic. Later in his life he found Islam, and the rest of it is more of an "emotional" journey rather than a "logical" one.

    At any rate, he didn't prove anything. He didn't give evidence for god. Holding something from the Quran as an allegorical meaning doesn't mean god exists. All it means is that you just put your own twist into the concept of god. That's all.

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #2 - March 28, 2009, 08:27 AM
    Quote from: faro0485 on March 28, 2009, 05:41 AM
    I just wanted to ask a question.


    Regarding this lecture on ex-muslims and wavering muslims:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMANKaX8khw


    Any opinions? Is it true?



    Hi faro0485

    I watched up to video 3 and found he made some good points that Muslims don't want to hear.

    Basically that very many 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation Muslims etc... are simply drifting quietly away from Islam and that what is sustaining the Muslim communities in the USA is immigrants - not homegrown Muslims.

    Not sure if that is so true in the UK where  many 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation Asian Muslims still seem to be faithful to the religion of their parents.

    But I do agree that there are VERY many who are simply silently disappearing off into the ether and are in effect 'ex-Muslims'.

    Oh and btw - Welcome Smiley
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #3 - March 28, 2009, 09:12 AM
    Thank you Hasan.

    As far as Asians come into it, they all stick together. Even during in school and the real gangs after school. So much so that you'll find some sixth form colleges almost totally asian. Aye, I'm supposing that the parents teach their kids to not have non-muslim friends, as my parents did.


  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #4 - March 28, 2009, 11:50 AM
    Hello faro, welcome to the forum.   Smiley
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #5 - March 28, 2009, 12:02 PM
     signwelcome faro 0485! Glad you came here!  Smiley
    It'd be great if you tell us a bit about yourself.
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #6 - March 28, 2009, 01:20 PM
    Welcome to the forum Faro - so where do you stand spiritually, and how did you come across this forum?
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  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #7 - March 28, 2009, 03:05 PM
    Pardon me Faro, I meant to welcome you, but instead I went off on a tangent about Lang.

    Anyways, welcome to the forum bro. I hope you enjoy it here.  Afro

    Are you an Ex-Muslim?
    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #8 - March 28, 2009, 04:59 PM
    Hey faro! Welcome to the forum, you should tell us a bit more about yourself.

    Quote from: faro0485 on March 28, 2009, 05:41 AM
    By the way I became anti-porn after reading this:

    http://monitor.newsvine.com/_news/2006/11/28/460788-turkeys-kurds-satellite-tv-and-incest

    And reading this:

    http://www.oneangrygirl.net/antiporn.html

    http://antipornographyactivist.wordpress.com/
    (Jenna Jameson?s 25 Reasons)

    I noticed that some folks didn't seem to mind when it came to certain avatars.


    As for my parents... I'm just glad that they did not sexual abuse me out of all the abuse I got from them.


     thnkyu

    I read through the first link, did that seriously make you go anti-porn? All research regarding whether porn does harm has shown that it doesn't. That story does not even back it's points up nor does it include any scientific research. It made a conclusion by attacking something.
    ~My story~
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  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #9 - March 28, 2009, 05:01 PM
    Hi Faro, welcome. But don't be dissing porn...it makes Q-Man sad.  Cry
    fuck you
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #10 - March 28, 2009, 05:08 PM
    Quote from: Tommy on March 28, 2009, 06:59 AM
    He firmly believes in evolution, something also most Muslims are strongly against.

    Does it say that in his book?
    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #11 - March 28, 2009, 05:24 PM
    Quote from: Iggy on March 28, 2009, 05:08 PM
    Quote from: Tommy on March 28, 2009, 06:59 AM
    He firmly believes in evolution, something also most Muslims are strongly against.

    Does it say that in his book?


    No he doesn't exactly bring it up in his book. He does however say it in a Q & A portion in a lecture.

    I think this one is it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFUqKwc6QdA&feature=related

    I recommend going through that entire series though. It's a great lecture. Though I disagree with his view on Islam, and reasons for converting, I still admire his courage to stand up and give his own take on the religion.
    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #12 - March 30, 2009, 11:40 AM
    Suggesting that the porn channels the Kurds in Turkey could receive, are the reason for those honour killings is such an unbelievably dumb idea. You have to wonder how much fucked in the head that journalist has to be. First of all, I imagine the average Kurd can decide which channels he wants to keep in the list after an automatic channel scan. Secondly, how are the males even supposed to watch those channels, which probably only show tease material and no hardcore scenes.

    I think the tube is placed in the living room most of the time. Do you seriously think the males would watch those channels while the female family members are there, too? And even if they managed to secretly watch some boobs and pussies, how in God's fucking name is this going to corrupt the character of a man in such a way, that he would consider killing his sister or daughter for "besmirching the family's honour"!?

    The reason for these killings is quite simple: They have this sick concept that a female's pure vagina equals family honour, and impure females have to be killed to restore the honour. I know that sounds pretty insane, but it's true and it still happens.

    Don't blame the porn, man. May Aphrodite guide and help us all.
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  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #13 - March 30, 2009, 11:48 AM
    Aww come on, I'm with Q-Man on this one. Nothin wrong with a bit of porn now and then.  Wink
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #14 - March 30, 2009, 02:33 PM
    Hullo.
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I remain.
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #15 - March 30, 2009, 04:55 PM
    Quote from: faro0485 on March 28, 2009, 05:41 AM
    Hullo.

    Why did I come here again... Thinking hard oh yeah, I just wanted to ask a question.


    Regarding this lecture on ex-muslims and wavering muslims:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMANKaX8khw


    Any opinions? Is it true?


    Jeff Lang has had a very long and public struggle with his religious belief, and a lot of that is documented in his books (including the atheism stuff).  I hope that sooner or later, he just embraces his issues and stops trying to make heads or tails of it, because it's like someone else here said - it's emotion that's keeping him going, not something else.

    As for the porn stuff, I ditto what Aziz said.
    [this space for rent]
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #16 - March 31, 2009, 04:05 AM
    Countries with bans on pino are not doing too well Faro. On the social and creative level they are quite backwards. And their zeal to acquire pino is beyond the norm and their tendency to look for perverted pino is becoming quite legendary.

    If you want to ban pino, plz stay away from the society I live in. Pick *any* of those societies already banning pino and enjoy your stay with them.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #17 - April 03, 2009, 07:51 PM
    Quote from: Aziz on March 30, 2009, 11:40 AM
    May Aphrodite guide and help us all.

     Thinking hard

  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #18 - April 03, 2009, 10:41 PM
    Quote from: faro0485 on April 03, 2009, 07:51 PM
    Quote from: Aziz on March 30, 2009, 11:40 AM
    May Aphrodite guide and help us all.

     Thinking hard

    Don't think, just pray.
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  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #19 - July 01, 2009, 05:23 PM
    No I'm anti-pagan. Death to aphrodite.
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #20 - July 01, 2009, 06:09 PM
    Quote from: faro0485 on March 28, 2009, 05:41 AM

    http://www.oneangrygirl.net/antiporn.html



    I just read through that. The woman's crazy. She favors the criminalization of prostitution over legalization and regulation. She also wants to boycott American Apparel simply because the owner is supposedly a sexist and uses sexist marketing (like just about every other company in the West). Yeah, great idea-- target the ONE non-union garment maker in the US that pays a fair wage and offers good benefits to its employees, and probably the only major brand-name clothing retailer that doesn't use sweatshop labor. Good call, risk the livelihoods of over 10,000 working people, most of whom probably would not be able to find jobs with similar pay and would likely lose their health insurance, all so you can pursue your monomaniacal agenda of fighting "sexism".

    Let's say her boycott works and economically damages the company-- how many layoffs of single mothers that work there and depend on that wage and the company's health insurance would she consider to be acceptable collateral damage in her crusade for women's liberation by getting American Apparel to pull ads that use women's sex appeal (or just to get back at the owner for being a sex-obsessed megalomaniacal dick)? That's like me calling for a boycott on a unionized American steel manufacturer because their owner is an Evangelical Christian and uses Jesus in his ads.

    Yeah, fuck what this woman has to say, about porn or anything else-- she's a myopic and monomaniacal crank who's idea of "social justice" doesn't go beyond her very narrow agenda.
    fuck you
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #21 - July 01, 2009, 06:15 PM
    She's spitting in the wind anyway.  Once the Internet was invented  there was no further point in railing against porn.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #22 - July 01, 2009, 06:16 PM
    Just saying she's a jerk. I don't think the anti-porn arguments are all without merit, but this woman wants sexual commodification criminalized and wants even more people thrown into jail for victimless crimes, force prostitution further underground where the women can be more easily abused and exploited, and she wants to wreck a business that provides good wages and benefits for workers in an industry where that is very rare. In other words her obsessive crusade makes her feel morally justified in implementing measures that would create great destruction, oppression and personal harm all in the pursuit of the "greater good".
    fuck you
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #23 - July 01, 2009, 10:01 PM
    Sounds like standard human behaviour to me.  grin12

    Anyway welcome to the forum, faro0485.  parrot
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #24 - July 02, 2009, 09:14 AM
    Quote from: faro0485 on March 28, 2009, 05:41 AM
    By the way I became anti-porn after reading this:

    http://monitor.newsvine.com/_news/2006/11/28/460788-turkeys-kurds-satellite-tv-and-incest

    You what? So let me get this straight: if Kurdistan has had an "honour" culture for centuries and been killing any female who someone even thinks might have been dishonoured this is somehow the fault of western TV stations and porn?
    You must be joking.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #25 - July 02, 2009, 12:46 PM
    HULLO and WULCOME!  parrot
    ...
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #26 - July 03, 2009, 11:33 PM
    porn will be ban soon in the west
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #27 - July 04, 2009, 01:07 AM
    Yes, and every girl will start wearing the hijab.   Afro
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  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #28 - July 05, 2009, 01:15 AM
    Quote from: kope on July 03, 2009, 11:33 PM
    porn will be ban soon in the west


    Don't worry, you'll still be able to find your anal fisting flicks on the internet. Who buys porn magazines these days anyway?
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  • Re: Hullo!
     Reply #29 - July 05, 2009, 01:27 AM
    Quote from: kope on July 03, 2009, 11:33 PM
    porn will be ban soon in the west

    It will only be banned when people like yourself stop watching it  Roll Eyes
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