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  • Re: Hello, fellow Infidels
     Reply #30 - March 30, 2009, 07:29 AM
    Q-Man,

    You haven't provided an actual counter-argument to my arguments, so there's nothing much for me to respond to.
    How can we tell the difference between harmless Muslims, and dangerous Muslims?
  • Re: Hello, fellow Infidels
     Reply #31 - March 30, 2009, 07:30 AM
    Quote from: Aksel Ankersen on March 30, 2009, 04:07 AM
    Hesperado

    Reading your blog, I see you have raised some interesting issues which mar efforts to criticize Islam such as the blind insistance by many that Islam is not a religion or indeed that Muslims are not a race, both of which eventually play into the hands of Islamic appologists.

    However you suffer from a lack of human appreciation of the conflict, hence your attempts to rationalize collective punishment. Collective punishment is morally wrong under any circumstances and "collateral damage" (a euphemism I really hate) only exists when harm to innocents arises as an unintended byproduct of targetting an enemy.

    There is no "collateral damage" about your scheme of actively discriminating against people based on religion; each innocent individual would suffer discrimination based on their personal religious beliefs with nothing "collateral" or incidental about it - an entirely cruel and unacceptable proposal.

    +1  Afro
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  • Re: Hello, fellow Infidels
     Reply #32 - March 30, 2009, 08:18 AM
    Quote from: Hesperado on March 30, 2009, 07:29 AM
    Q-Man,

    You haven't provided an actual counter-argument to my arguments, so there's nothing much for me to respond to.



    Personally I think he challenged your arguement quite well, it was poetry in motion reading his responses.  yes
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Hello, fellow Infidels
     Reply #33 - March 30, 2009, 08:37 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on March 30, 2009, 08:18 AM
    Quote from: Hesperado on March 30, 2009, 07:29 AM
    Q-Man,

    You haven't provided an actual counter-argument to my arguments, so there's nothing much for me to respond to.



    Personally I think he challenged your arguement quite well, it was poetry in motion reading his responses.  yes

     
    I thought so too! Especially the beer and BJ part.

    Hesperado: I think it's quite clear that your 'us' and 'them' attitude won't be fueled here.
  • Re: Hello, fellow Infidels
     Reply #34 - March 30, 2009, 08:43 AM
    Most definately not.  Afro
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Hello, fellow Infidels
     Reply #35 - March 30, 2009, 09:06 AM
    Quote from: Hesperado on March 30, 2009, 04:59 AM
     Also, all the airports in the world wouldn't have to spend millions of dollars every year and inconvenience millions of passengers every day all over the world, if we had the magic key to pinpoint which Muslims are dangerous, and which are not. 

    So once they have been deported, are you suggesting they no longer allowed to travel on aeroplanes?  What about trains and cars?  Are you planning to put a "Muslim" stamp on their passports?
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  • Re: Hello, fellow Infidels
     Reply #36 - March 30, 2009, 09:08 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 30, 2009, 09:06 AM
    Quote from: Hesperado on March 30, 2009, 04:59 AM
     Also, all the airports in the world wouldn't have to spend millions of dollars every year and inconvenience millions of passengers every day all over the world, if we had the magic key to pinpoint which Muslims are dangerous, and which are not. 

    So once they have been deported, are you suggesting they no longer allowed to travel on aeroplanes?  What about trains and cars?  Are you planning to put a "Muslim" stamp on their passports?


    Sounds awfully like the Nazis making Jewish people wear the star of David armband.
  • Re: Hello, fellow Infidels
     Reply #37 - March 30, 2009, 10:01 AM
    I can't remember who said this, but...

    Those who are willing to sacrifice liberty for a little temporary security, will lose both and deserve neither.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Hello, fellow Infidels
     Reply #38 - March 30, 2009, 10:23 AM
    And another disturbing thing is, that if such insane policies were really to be implemented, the authorities would actually have to deport us ex-Muslims as well. Afterall they have no way of telling a genuine apostate from a terrorist using taqqiya (well maybe an exception can be made for prominent ppl like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan etc.) In order to be more effective they could introduce a test, something like "please, eat the ham, or go back from whence ye came." But then again, some apostates can't bring themselves to do that, tough luck I guess. So in the end Muslims and ex-Muslims alike would be victims of this final solution.

    It's interesting how concerned you are about the imminent threat coming from Muslims, but yet it seems like the recent economic meltdown - caused by non-Muslim Americans - doesn't upset you as much as the issue of Muslims. It's not hard to tell what weakened America the most in the past years. Was it an unjustified war and the economic crisis, or a few Islamist terrorists? For fuck's sake! The gang MS13, which spread like a plague across America, has probably killed more people than the Islamists could ever dream of killing, and you have the nerve to be mad at the whole Muslim community? Get a fucking grip man!
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  • Re: Hello, fellow Infidels
     Reply #39 - March 30, 2009, 11:12 AM
    Welcome to the forum even though your views are not compatible with the majority its what debating forums are all about.

    I've had a quick look at your blog. You do write some interesting stuff. However your proposed method of dealing with the problem of Islam will only exacerbate the problem.

    Do you really think Muslims around the world would just sit back, watch and not retaliate against countries carrying out your Final Solution? Do you think life would be any easier for citizens of that country? Terror today knows no boundary and can be perpetrated from anywhere in the world. Such a scheme will only make Muslims more determined in their mission.

    I think the better solution is education to wean Muslims off of Islam. As each generation passes the penny will drop. The truth of the core ideology, how it can be used for extremism, how it affects countries submitted to it and how the prophet actually lived are all there to be presented to Muslims willing to open their minds.

    You are a writer. Use the pen to inform, its mightier than encouraging hate against hate.
     
    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: Hello, fellow Infidels
     Reply #40 - March 30, 2009, 11:13 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on March 30, 2009, 10:01 AM
    I can't remember who said this, but...

    Those who are willing to sacrifice liberty for a little temporary security, will lose both and deserve neither.


    I love that quote (its one of Benjamin Franklins)
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  • Re: Hello, fellow Infidels
     Reply #41 - March 30, 2009, 11:45 AM
    Quote from: Hesperado on March 30, 2009, 12:25 AM
    my society


    It's my society also - and along with most other people in the West, I want to keep it a tolerant, free and plural one.

    Most of us here left Islam to distance ourselves from xenophobes like you - not to join forces with them.
  • Re: Hello, fellow Infidels
     Reply #42 - March 30, 2009, 02:51 PM
    Bud, have you ever come down from your ivory tower, and actually met a Muslim in real life?

    Hell, have you ever stepped a foot outside of your academic fairyland and experienced reality outside of a classroom, the mall, or your parent's house?

    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I remain.
  • Re: Hello, fellow Infidels
     Reply #43 - March 30, 2009, 04:57 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 29, 2009, 09:14 PM
    Quote from: Hesperado on March 29, 2009, 08:47 PM
    in my estimation is the main reason why the West persists in irrationally whitewashing Islam and treating Muslims with "respect" when they deserve condemnation and mockery, let alone mass surveillance and deportation.

    I'd like to welcome you, but cant bring myself to do so.  In my view anybody that wants to forcefully repatriate my parents, siblings and friends automatically foregoes that privilege.


    Hear, hear.
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  • Re: Hello, fellow Infidels
     Reply #44 - March 30, 2009, 05:01 PM
    Quote from: Hesperado on March 30, 2009, 12:25 AM
    "Most of our family and friends are Muslims and they're descent and genuine people"

    I'm sure they are.  Trouble is, I can't verify that about any one of them sufficiently for the safety of my society.  There's the rub.  And I'm certainly not going to bank the safety of my society on the anecdotal evidence and on the word of some anonymous person on the Web.


    You know you are so right, you can't verify that about our Muslim family members.  Or anyone else. Why, just today after a white man killed 7 elderly people and a nurse at a nursing home, I was thinking, golly if only we could tell ahead of time if these white dudes are a threat to our society, especially our elders. Especially on the heels of so, so many incidents of angry white men shooting up offices, post offices, churches, schools, ski lifts, restaurants... you get the idea.  But we can't.  What should we do with them?  Och, if only they were all named Mo-ham-mad.
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  • Re: Hello, fellow Infidels
     Reply #45 - March 30, 2009, 06:09 PM
    Quote from: fading on March 30, 2009, 05:01 PM
    Quote from: Hesperado on March 30, 2009, 12:25 AM
    "Most of our family and friends are Muslims and they're descent and genuine people"

    I'm sure they are.  Trouble is, I can't verify that about any one of them sufficiently for the safety of my society.  There's the rub.  And I'm certainly not going to bank the safety of my society on the anecdotal evidence and on the word of some anonymous person on the Web.


    You know you are so right, you can't verify that about our Muslim family members.  Or anyone else. Why, just today after a white man killed 7 elderly people and a nurse at a nursing home, I was thinking, golly if only we could tell ahead of time if these white dudes are a threat to our society, especially our elders. Especially on the heels of so, so many incidents of angry white men shooting up offices, post offices, churches, schools, ski lifts, restaurants... you get the idea.  But we can't.  What should we do with them?  Och, if only they were all named Mo-ham-mad.


     grin12

    Hello, I'm an angry "white" man.

    I'm a threat to bigoted assholes of all colors and cultures.

    Oh yes, I smoke, drink, and swear in public, and I've known some Muslims(and Ex-Muslims) who I actually consider friends.

    Someone arrest me, quick!     Flaming mad
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I remain.
  • Re: Hello, fellow Infidels
     Reply #46 - April 01, 2009, 09:24 AM
    Quote from: Hesperado on March 30, 2009, 07:29 AM
    Q-Man,

    You haven't provided an actual counter-argument to my arguments, so there's nothing much for me to respond to.

    Say what? Mate, do you think you would notice if you were run over by a bus? Just wondering.  Cheesy

    To clarify the situation for you your points, such as they were, were utterly shredded and flushed down the crapper.

    You seem to be the only one who can't see this.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Hello, fellow Infidels
     Reply #47 - April 01, 2009, 09:25 AM
    Quote from: fading on March 30, 2009, 05:01 PM
    Quote from: Hesperado on March 30, 2009, 12:25 AM
    "Most of our family and friends are Muslims and they're descent and genuine people"

    I'm sure they are.  Trouble is, I can't verify that about any one of them sufficiently for the safety of my society.  There's the rub.  And I'm certainly not going to bank the safety of my society on the anecdotal evidence and on the word of some anonymous person on the Web.


    You know you are so right, you can't verify that about our Muslim family members.  Or anyone else. Why, just today after a white man killed 7 elderly people and a nurse at a nursing home, I was thinking, golly if only we could tell ahead of time if these white dudes are a threat to our society, especially our elders. Especially on the heels of so, so many incidents of angry white men shooting up offices, post offices, churches, schools, ski lifts, restaurants... you get the idea.  But we can't.  What should we do with them?  Och, if only they were all named Mo-ham-mad.

    Exactly. Statistically you are far more likely to get killed by some "average white guy" than you are to get killed by Muslim terrorists.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Hello, fellow Infidels
     Reply #48 - April 01, 2009, 02:31 PM
    Good to see that people like him are not welcome here. I find it funny, when people oppose the same doctrine they so desperately cling to themselves.
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