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  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #90 - April 02, 2009, 03:41 PM

    Quote
    BMZ hasn't given a single good reason for Arsh to be taken figuratively in one verse and literally in others. Moreover, he has contradicted himself grandly betraying his confusion on the issue.

    I cannot imagine what you mean by hits. This bout clearly goes in favor of skynightblaze. But, of course, you have every right to hold your own opinions


    The topic is Contradictions in the Quran. BMZ is on defence. It is Skynight's burden to clearly point out contradictions. So far he has not done so.

    It makes sense that "Throne" could be used metaphorically in one part of a book and literally in another. A throne itself is a mere man-made symbol pf power. And it's meaning, like crown could refer to the object or the power it symbolizes.

    A hit in this case would be pointing out an actual contradiction, where BMZ can not present a reasonable explanation for it.

    BSmileyB


    No, the topic is NOT contradiction in Quran. I will quote skynightblaze:

    Quote
    I am going to present 2 topics one after the other . The second topic will be brought after we decide mutually to move ahead.


    My 2 topics will be of the following nature:

    1) One showing an error in the quran

    2) The other showing an internal contradiction within the quran.


    Is that self explanatory?

    BMZ got confused in defending SNB's post and contradicted himself. Does that tell us something? And Emerald has already pointed out the mistake in BMZ's defense:

    Quote from: Emerald
    BTW, I checked Arabic Lexicons, and all agree Kursi is always tangible.

     

    Kursi is the word used in 2:255.

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  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #91 - April 02, 2009, 03:45 PM

    How can angels cluster around a metaphor?

    If the angels were also allegorical.  In the same fashion as satan pissing in your ears if you oversleep.  

    IMO its a debate that proves little, apart from the posters argumentative skills.

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  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #92 - April 02, 2009, 03:52 PM

    How can angels cluster around a metaphor?

    If the angels were also allegorical.  In the same fashion as satan pissing in your ears if you oversleep.  

    IMO its a debate that proves little, apart from the posters argumentative skills.



    LOL. That would be a brand new argument; Jibreel is not allegorical but other angels who are supposed to cluster around the throne are. Please don't hand over a new shield to Muslims.

    Have you ever wondered, dear Islame, that whenever one questions a particular verse in Quran, the Arabic words suddenly become allegorical or metaphorical?  Cheesy

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #93 - April 02, 2009, 03:54 PM


    Quote from: Emerald
    BTW, I checked Arabic Lexicons, and all agree Kursi is always tangible.

     

    Kursi is the word used in 2:255.


    But cant tangible items be used to describe the intangible. Its done in English all the time? 

    As a Muslim, I never envisaged God, the devil, angels as physical entities, nor would I have imagined God sitting on a gold throne.  I had no idea what he was, nor did I care, the only assumption I made was that he/she/it existed.

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  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #94 - April 02, 2009, 04:11 PM


    Quote from: Emerald
    BTW, I checked Arabic Lexicons, and all agree Kursi is always tangible.

     

    Kursi is the word used in 2:255.


    But cant tangible items be used to describe the intangible. Its done in English all the time?


    When we talk about Quran, claims of "metaphorical" or "allegorical" are pointless because Quran claimed itself to be clear numerous times. Using metaphors or allegories in a sentence, in any language, may make it appear better in a literary way, but it does not make the sentence any clearer. "You are the pain in my ass " conveys what I mean only if you know what it is supposed to mean. But can the quoted sentence be claimed to be clear and well explained?

    A clear sentence conveys only what is written in words clearly and unambiguously; "You are my friend" and "You are my enemy" are examples of such clear sentences, "You are the pupil of my eye" and "You are the pain in my ass" aren't.

    In the light of Quran's unambiguous claims of it being clear, easy to understand and well explained, there is absolutely no reason to take any verse other than literally.

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #95 - April 02, 2009, 04:17 PM

    If you look at it in context it is quite obvious that one throne is meant literally and the other is a metaphor.
    "No slumber can seize Him Nor Sleep. His are all things In the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede In His presence except As he permitteth? He knoweth What (appeareth to His creatures As) Before or After or Behind them. Nor shall they compass Aught of his knowledge Except as He willeth. His throne doth extend Over the heavens And on earth, and He feeleth No fatigue in guarding And preserving them, For He is the Most High, The Supreme (in glory)." [Surah al-Baqarah 2: 255]"

    Here we have a throne in a garden behind a gate in heaven. This is meant literally. BTW if the throne is in heaven and so is the obvservor then it is quite acceptible that the angels can be seen around the throne irrespective of it's physical size compared to earth. It is in heaven after all. The observor's vision need not be subject to earthly limitations.

    Now let's move on to the second throne.

    "No slumber can seize Him Nor Sleep. His are all things In the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede In His presence except As he permitteth? He knoweth What (appeareth to His creatures As) Before or After or Behind them. Nor shall they compass Aught of his knowledge Except as He willeth. His throne doth extend Over the heavens And on earth, and He feeleth No fatigue in guarding And preserving them, For He is the Most High, The Supreme (in glory)." [Surah al-Baqarah 2: 255]"

    The subject here is God's supreme power. So it is only logical that the word throne is a metaphor for that.

    BTW, BMZ can err or contradict himself all he wants. He is a fallible mortal. Skynightblaze needs to show these faults in the Quran.


    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #96 - April 02, 2009, 04:17 PM

    Even when Kursi appears in other verse in Quran, it was clear Mo used it as a physical object;

    [34] And We did try Sulaiman: We placed on his throne a body (without life): but he did turn (to Us in true devotion).

     وَلَقَدْ فَتَنَّا سُلَيْمَانَ وَأَلْقَيْنَا عَلَى كُرْسِيِّهِ جَسَدًا ثُمَّ أَنَابَ


    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #97 - April 02, 2009, 04:28 PM


    Quote from: Emerald
    BTW, I checked Arabic Lexicons, and all agree Kursi is always tangible.

     

    Kursi is the word used in 2:255.


    But cant tangible items be used to describe the intangible. Its done in English all the time?


    When we talk about Quran, claims of "metaphorical" or "allegorical" are pointless because Quran claimed itself to be clear numerous times. Using metaphors or allegories in a sentence, in any language, may make it appear better in a literary way, but it does not make the sentence any clearer. "You are the pain in my ass " conveys what I mean only if you know what it is supposed to mean. But can the quoted sentence be claimed to be clear and well explained?

    A clear sentence conveys only what is written in words clearly and unambiguously; "You are my friend" and "You are my enemy" are examples of such clear sentences, "You are the pupil of my eye" and "You are the pain in my ass" aren't.

    In the light of Quran's unambiguous claims of it being clear, easy to understand and well explained, there is absolutely no reason to take any verse other than literally.



    I agree with you, but its circumstantial, and hence is not likely to win the argument - thats all I am saying.  

    For all we know, the Quran claims to be "clear" could have been achieved by dumbing it down so illiterate bedouins could understand it, and did this by using physical descriptions to attribute these metaphyical entities.

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  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #98 - April 02, 2009, 04:32 PM

    Quote from: Submissive Bob

    BTW, BMZ can err or contradict himself all he wants. He is a fallible mortal. Skynightblaze needs to show these faults in the Quran.


    And Quran is infallible? But sorry, I do not think skynightblaze or anyone else in the world can debate Quran itself.

    Skynightblaze is debating BMZ; he is not debating Quran itself. BMZ erring or contradicting himself obviously means he has lost in defending the charge of SNB.

    I don't know how else skynightblaze can show faults in Quran. He puts up a weak point (as per some of you; did you too think so?) and BMZ trips up badly in defending the weak point of SNB.

    Your statement that BMZ is fallible mortal is a tacit, albeit grudging, acceptance of his defeat. Thank you.

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #99 - April 02, 2009, 04:38 PM

    Quote from: IsLame

    For all we know, the Quran claims to be "clear" could have been achieved by dumbing it down so illiterate bedouins could understand it, and did this by using physical descriptions to attribute these metaphyical entities.


    Dumbing it down or whatever, if the message was understood by those illiterate Bedouins for whom the message was intended, it is only wishful thinking that the message was something higher, deeper, philosophical or metaphysical.

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #100 - April 02, 2009, 04:43 PM

    Your statement that BMZ is fallible mortal is a tacit, albeit grudging, acceptance of his defeat. Thank you.

    Thanks for pointing out SB's point of view  Afro  You might want to ask if he agrees first?

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  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #101 - April 02, 2009, 04:44 PM

    Dumbing it down or whatever, if the message was understood by those illiterate Bedouins for whom the message was intended, it is only wishful thinking that the message was something higher, deeper, philosophical or metaphysical.

    ?

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  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #102 - April 02, 2009, 04:47 PM

    Your statement that BMZ is fallible mortal is a tacit, albeit grudging, acceptance of his defeat. Thank you.

    Thanks for pointing out SB's point of view  Afro  You might want to ask if he agrees first?


    Obviously he doesn't, LOL.

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #103 - April 02, 2009, 04:48 PM

    Dumbing it down or whatever, if the message was understood by those illiterate Bedouins for whom the message was intended, it is only wishful thinking that the message was something higher, deeper, philosophical or metaphysical.

    ?


    Dumb people would not understand metaphors or allegories. Hope that makes my point clear. I am willing to further explain it if you wish.

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #104 - April 02, 2009, 04:55 PM

    Quote from: Submissive Bob

    BTW, BMZ can err or contradict himself all he wants. He is a fallible mortal. Skynightblaze needs to show these faults in the Quran.


    And Quran is infallible? But sorry, I do not think skynightblaze or anyone else in the world can debate Quran itself.

    Skynightblaze is debating BMZ; he is not debating Quran itself. BMZ erring or contradicting himself obviously means he has lost in defending the charge of SNB.

    I don't know how else skynightblaze can show faults in Quran. He puts up a weak point (as per some of you; did you too think so?) and BMZ trips up badly in defending the weak point of SNB.

    Your statement that BMZ is fallible mortal is a tacit, albeit grudging, acceptance of his defeat. Thank you.


    I didn't say that BMZ contradicted himself. I'm saying Skynight needs to focus on clearly pointing out the errors and contradictions in the Quran instead of trying to trip up BMZ with silly word games. So far he is failing at both. He was given good advice to move on. He should do so.

    I will accept his defeat, if it occurs.

    You sound like Bagdad Bob hailing a victory when there is none.

    BdanceB

    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #105 - April 02, 2009, 05:09 PM

    Dumbing it down or whatever, if the message was understood by those illiterate Bedouins for whom the message was intended, it is only wishful thinking that the message was something higher, deeper, philosophical or metaphysical.

    ?


    Dumb people would not understand metaphors or allegories. Hope that makes my point clear. I am willing to further explain it if you wish.

    Yes, that was my point.  The reason he explained it in this fashion for them, and perhaps expected a different approach from higher beings such as yourself.

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  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #106 - April 02, 2009, 05:12 PM

    Quote from: Submissive Bob

    I didn't say that BMZ contradicted himself.


    Even after he actually did? I do not know what should I infer from your reluctance to state the fact.

    Quote
    I'm saying Skynight needs to focus on clearly pointing out the errors and contradictions in the Quran instead of trying to trip up BMZ with silly word games. So far he is failing at both. He was given good advice to move on. He should do so.

    I will accept his defeat, if it occurs.

    You sound like Bagdad Bob hailing a victory when there is none.

    BdanceB


    It would have seemed curious, had it not been so unseemly, that you choose to ignore the actual points I make. I would state the facts again so you do not miss or pretend to miss it this time:

    BMZ contradicted himself in his defense to skynightblaze's ah..so..weak charge. He proved himself not to be up to the mark in his task as a result. I do not know what else losing a debate means.

    BMZ claimed kursi is intangible and Emerald, a native Arabic speaker, has stated again and again that Kursi is literal.


    Moreover, I have been showing why the verses in Quran should be taken literally in my discussion with Islame. He has already admitted that verses (or may be the language) was meant for the illiterate bedouins of Arabia, so there go the arguments about metaphors and allegories up in smoke.

    Excuse me for asking this at the risk of sounding rude:

    Is the tag of FFI preventing skynightblaze from winning this debate in your view?

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #107 - April 02, 2009, 05:14 PM

    Dumbing it down or whatever, if the message was understood by those illiterate Bedouins for whom the message was intended, it is only wishful thinking that the message was something higher, deeper, philosophical or metaphysical.

    ?


    Dumb people would not understand metaphors or allegories. Hope that makes my point clear. I am willing to further explain it if you wish.

    Yes, that was my point.  The reason he explained it in this fashion for them, and perhaps expected a different approach from higher beings such as yourself.


    Alas the Quranic verse were not addressed to me  Wink

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #108 - April 02, 2009, 05:16 PM

    Quote
    Dumb people would not understand metaphors or allegories. Hope that makes my point clear. I am willing to further explain it if you wish.


    Allah loves to use different literary techniques to help illustrate (not literal) his points.

    Cow 26: Allah disdains not to use the similitude of things, lowest as well as highest.

    So you see, he hates not using them.

    Dumb people will always have smart people to explain things to them.

    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #109 - April 02, 2009, 05:28 PM

    Quote

    BMZ claimed kursi is intangible and Emerald, a native Arabic speaker, has stated again and again that Kursi is literal.[/b]



    This is exactly what BMZ said about kursi

    "The word Throne does not mean a chair in the verse. although the word Kursi does mean a chair. That is the choice of some translators, not all, in English."

    If Skynight has any affiliation with FFI, I was not aware of it until you just mentioned it. My judgement is not clouded by any agenda.


    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #110 - April 02, 2009, 05:34 PM

    Quote
    Dumb people would not understand metaphors or allegories. Hope that makes my point clear. I am willing to further explain it if you wish.


    Allah loves to use different literary techniques to help illustrate (not literal) his points.

    Cow 26: Allah disdains not to use the similitude of things, lowest as well as highest.

    So you see, he hates not using them.


    And he also said that Quran was clear and well explained, i.e. unambiguous in other words. Is Allah contradicting himself here yet again?

    Quote
    Dumb people will always have smart people to explain things to them.


    So very right. I always have to explain so many things to so many people again and again.


    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #111 - April 02, 2009, 05:35 PM

    This is exactly what BMZ said about kursi

    "The word Throne does not mean a chair in the verse. although the word Kursi does mean a chair. That is the choice of some translators, not all, in English."

    ==========

    Yes, but BMZ picked other translators who thought of chair to be something like power, knowledge....


    The verse is not talking about any throne. Kursee-yehee (His chair or His Throne) in the verse means His power, dominion, reach, control and government.



    I think it's a big mistake to cite Engl translation, cuz BMZ simply rejects tafsirs, and those translators don't literally translate from the actual Arabic text, they rather consider tafsirs;

    and if we go by mufassiroon, we find that majority agreed that kursi ain't something intangible;

    let alone the other (Solomon) verse, and the lexicons.


    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #112 - April 02, 2009, 05:41 PM

    Quote

    BMZ claimed kursi is intangible and Emerald, a native Arabic speaker, has stated again and again that Kursi is literal.[/b]



    This is exactly what BMZ said about kursi

    "The word Throne does not mean a chair in the verse. although the word Kursi does mean a chair. That is the choice of some translators, not all, in English."


    And in 2:255, the word Kursi is used. And just after his words you quoted, he said, "Kursee-yehee (His chair or His Throne) in the verse means His power, dominion, reach, control and government."


    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #113 - April 02, 2009, 06:05 PM

    It seems to mean both. We can derive it's meaning from the context.

    "Allah is He, besides Whom there is no god, the Ever-Living, the Self-Subsisting (by Whom all
    subsist); slumber does not overtake Him, nor sleep; whatever is in the heavens and whatever is
    in the earth is His; who is he that can intercede with Him, but by His permission? He knows
    what is before them and what is behind them, and they cannot comprehend of His knowledge,
    except what He pleases; His Chair (knowledge) extends over the heavens and the earth; and
    the preservation of them both tires Him not; and He is the Most high, the Great." II: 255.

    The Holy Qurran, translation and commentary by Aqa Mirza Mahdi Puya.

    http://www.islamquery.com/documents/Ayatul%20Kursi.pdf

    BSmileyB

    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #114 - April 02, 2009, 06:09 PM

    It seems to mean both. We can derive it's meaning from the context.

    "Allah is He, besides Whom there is no god, the Ever-Living, the Self-Subsisting (by Whom all
    subsist); slumber does not overtake Him, nor sleep; whatever is in the heavens and whatever is
    in the earth is His; who is he that can intercede with Him, but by His permission? He knows
    what is before them and what is behind them, and they cannot comprehend of His knowledge,
    except what He pleases; His Chair (knowledge) extends over the heavens and the earth; and
    the preservation of them both tires Him not; and He is the Most high, the Great." II: 255.

    The Holy Qurran, translation and commentary by Aqa Mirza Mahdi Puya.

    http://www.islamquery.com/documents/Ayatul%20Kursi.pdf

    BSmileyB



    Give up the game, man. I am tired of explaining it to you. Chair might mean knowledge to you, but I do not have that powerful an imagination.

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #115 - April 02, 2009, 06:10 PM

    SB, that's a tafsir-based translation;

    just like adding (lightly) after beat them...

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #116 - April 02, 2009, 06:13 PM

    Even when Kursi appears in other verse in Quran, it was clear Mo used it as a physical object;

    [34] And We did try Sulaiman: We placed on his throne a body (without life): but he did turn (to Us in true devotion).

     وَلَقَدْ فَتَنَّا سُلَيْمَانَ وَأَلْقَيْنَا عَلَى كُرْسِيِّهِ جَسَدًا ثُمَّ أَنَابَ



    ===========

    SB, I'm wondering if (kursi) could also be knowledge, even after reading the Arabic Ma'ajem (lexicons), and the above Qareena (Quranic verse that contains the same word ==> chair).?

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #117 - April 02, 2009, 06:20 PM

    Even Engl-Arab dictionaries don't show any (knowledge-power);

    Google Translate

    http://www.arabiclookup.com/default.aspx?ar=%D9%83%D8%B1%D8%B3%D9%8A

    Wiki

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #118 - April 02, 2009, 06:33 PM

    OK, I can see from the google translation the word means chair, seat, couch, sofa.
    I think we can rule out couch and sofa can't we?

    Let's look at the definitions of chair and seat then.

    from www.thefreedictionary.com

    chair (ch?r)
    n.
    1. A piece of furniture consisting of a seat, legs, back, and often arms, designed to accommodate one person.
    2. A seat of office, authority, or dignity, such as that of a bishop.
    3.
    a. An office or position of authority, such as a professorship.
    b. A person who holds an office or a position of authority, such as one who presides over a meeting or administers a department of instruction at a college; a chairperson.
    4. The position of a player in an orchestra.
    5. Slang The electric chair.
    6. A seat carried about on poles; a sedan chair.
    7. Any of several devices that serve to support or secure, such as a metal block that supports and holds railroad track in position.
    tr.v. chaired, chair?ing, chairs
    1. To install in a position of authority, especially as a presiding officer.
    2. To preside over as chairperson: chair a meeting.


    seat (st)
    n.
    1. Something, such as a chair or bench, that may be sat on.
    2.
    a. A place in which one may sit.
    b. The right to occupy such a place or a ticket indicating this right: got seats for the concert.
    3. The part on which one rests in sitting: a bicycle seat.
    4.
    a. The buttocks.
    b. The part of a garment that covers the buttocks.
    5.
    a. A part serving as the base of something else.
    b. The surface or part on which another part sits or rests.
    6.
    a. The place where something is located or based: The heart is the seat of the emotions.
    b. A center of authority; a capital: the county seat. See Synonyms at center.
    7. A place of abode or residence, especially a large house that is part of an estate: the squire's country seat.
    8. Membership in an organization, such as a legislative body or stock exchange, that is obtained by appointment, election, or purchase.
    9. The manner of sitting on a horse: a fox hunter with a good seat.

    BAfroB

    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
     Reply #119 - April 02, 2009, 06:35 PM

     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
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