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For Ahmed Bahgat: Doomsday 2012
OP - April 01, 2009, 08:30 AM

Refuting the belief that a polar shift in 2012 will cause the sun to rise in the West is very simple.

West >>>>>> East

(direction of Earth's rotation)

Rotating the axis of Eath's revolution 180 degrees has the effect of reversing the direction of its rotation (relative to an external body like the sun).

The result is that the Earth still turns Eastward, and the Sun rises over the Eastern horizon even if the Earth is flipped.

I'm not a physicist and this is very simplistic, but I'm sure you get the idea.

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Reply #1 - April 01, 2009, 08:51 AM

Oh for fuck's sake, the pole shift has nothing whatsoever to do with the earth physically flipping. It's only a reversal of the magnetic field. Surely nobody in their right mind thinks the earth will actually flip. For a start, where would the energy required come from and how would it be applied?

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Reply #2 - April 01, 2009, 08:57 AM

Quote from: osmanthus on April 01, 2009, 08:51 AM
Oh for fuck's sake, the pole shift has nothing whatsoever to do with the earth physically flipping. It's only a reversal of the magnetic field. Surely nobody in their right mind thinks the earth will actually flip. For a start, where would the energy required come from and how would it be applied?

According to the hadith, the run will rise from the West! one-day, and this is apparently supposed to agree or coincide with the 2012 prediction in fact all it does is prove how stupid some Muslims can be at understanding a concept. What Mo is talking about is a physical force on the sun, which makes no sense, because Mo thought the universe was geocentric. What may happen is a magnetic polar shift, in which case it will fuck with some bird migration and we will have to re-align our compasses, but there will be no doomsday effect.

But Muslims think the sun will rise form the west! someone needs to tell them the earth goes around the sun.

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Reply #3 - April 01, 2009, 09:26 AM

Quote from: osmanthus on April 01, 2009, 08:51 AM
Oh for fuck's sake, the pole shift has nothing whatsoever to do with the earth physically flipping. It's only a reversal of the magnetic field. Surely nobody in their right mind thinks the earth will actually flip. For a start, where would the energy required come from and how would it be applied?

A geomagnetic reversal is not the same thing as a pole shift.

For the Sun to rise in the West and fulfill the prophecy, people imagine a pole shift rather than a magnetic reversal... The fact is neither would do it.

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Reply #4 - April 01, 2009, 09:30 AM

Yes I see your point, and you're right, but I thought Ahmed was talking about the geomagnetic reversal. That's the only type of "pole shift" known to have ever occurred.

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Reply #5 - April 02, 2009, 09:11 PM

Quote from: Aksel Ankersen on April 01, 2009, 08:30 AM
Refuting the belief that a polar shift in 2012 will cause the sun to rise in the West is very simple.

West >>>>>> East

(direction of Earth's rotation)

Rotating the axis of Eath's revolution 180 degrees has the effect of reversing the direction of its rotation (relative to an external body like the sun).

The result is that the Earth still turns Eastward, and the Sun rises over the Eastern horizon even if the Earth is flipped.

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I'm not a physicist and this is very simplistic, but I'm sure you get the idea.

Regards

-Aksel

Salam

Thanks for your presentation, However it seems that you are missing an important point, if the crust slip on the mantle to shift the poles, the earth will still rotates around its axis in the same direction, in in such case what was known to be west in the past, will see the sun rising from there

I can see that you flipped the poles, as well you folpped the direction of the earth rotaion around its axis?

Am i right?

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Reply #6 - April 02, 2009, 09:18 PM

This 2012 Doomsday "prophecy" is based on the end date of the Mayan Mesoamerican Long Count Calender. The end of the Mesoamerican long count calender is on 21.12.2012, but the Mayans never mentioned anything to do with any doomsday event occuring on this date. That is just something that people have assumed and made up their own stories to go along with it!

Even if a Muslim was going to associate Qiyamah with the end of the Mesoamerican Long Count Calender, that would be a grave sin and would probably be considered Shirk.

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Reply #7 - April 08, 2009, 08:18 AM

Quote from: AhmedBahgat on April 02, 2009, 09:11 PM
Salam

Thanks for your presentation, However it seems that you are missing an important point, if the crust slip on the mantle to shift the poles, the earth will still rotates around its axis in the same direction, in in such case what was known to be west in the past, will see the sun rising from there

I can see that you flipped the poles, as well you folpped the direction of the earth rotaion around its axis?

Am i right?

Cheers

Hello Ahmed

The crust will not slip on the mantle, you see, the mantle is contoured being closer to the surface in Ocean basins and deeper underneath continental plates, so the crust cannot slide smoothly around the Earth as it doesn't interface a perfectly spherical mantle. Also, the mantle is a solid, it can flow over geological timescales because it's warm enough to plastically deform rather than shatter like the brittle rocks we are used to on the surface (as an analogy, think of a ball of dough that can be kneaded at room temperature but becomes brittle if put in the freezer). many people think that the crust floats on an ocean of molten lava, that's wrong, the hot rock off the mantle only melts when decompressed (i.e. in a volcanic eruption or at a mid-Ocean ridge), crossing what is known as the solidus-liquidus as it rises.

However the mantle is certainly coupled to the crust over the course of Earth's rotational period i.e. 24 hours.

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