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  • Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     OP - April 01, 2009, 03:14 PM

    Since everyone out here is pretty familiar with Islamic Scriptures- I wanted to ask, who is your favorite character amongst the people mentioned in the Quran, Hadiths & Sira?

    Mine's Khadija, super rich, super successful businesswoman, sugar momma to handsome orphan Muhammad, probably had a pact with Muhammad that she'd divorce him without any alimony if he dared to fool around with another woman or take another wife, I totally dig all that! Afro

    I honestly haven't come across anyone like her in the OT\NT or any other religious Scripture!The Queen of Sheba in the OT comes close, but she was a Queen, while Khadija inspite of being an heiress also expanded her business. Khadija has more balls than many a male Prophet!
    - but she did a dumb thing by believing her husband's a Prophet! tickedoff

    Who is\are your favorite characters?

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #1 - April 01, 2009, 03:19 PM

    I can't say I have a favourite character in Islamic Scriptures, I don't really identify with anyone. Although my favourite character in Islamic History has to be Suleiman the magnificent. What a total legend.

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  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #2 - April 01, 2009, 03:27 PM

    My favourite is Aisha because she's the only one that ever managed to get anything critical of Mohammed into the hadeeth.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #3 - April 01, 2009, 03:31 PM

    Perhaps Abu Talib who supported Muhammad despite all the crap he had to go through and his nephew condemning him to hell.

    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #4 - April 01, 2009, 04:40 PM

    Another three people I tremendously admire are Kaab ibn Al Ashraf, Abu Afak & Asma bint Marwan. Muhammad's message was mostly met with derision by the Meccan polytheists & Jews alike, but many of them especially the Meccan pagans quitely accepted Islam once Muhammad smashed their idols & threatened to kill them if they came out to fight him.I suspect that for a lot of Arabs it was simply a conversion of convenience which is why Ridda wars broke out immediately post Muhammad's death, but they preferred to convert nominally if only to to save their skins. There's a big difference between rejecting something with one's head & rejecting something with one's guts.

    Islam literally means "submission" & these three & many others preferred to lay down their lives rather than submit to a religion they couldn't & didn't want to accept, or accepting Muhammad as Prophet or paying taxes.

    I doff my hat to the courage of their convictions! worship

    I also admire people who made the opposite choice like Bilal who chose to become Muslims despite threats!

    I only dislike the Meccans & Jews who were too  Chicken to oppose an ideology they disliked cause they feared for their lives!

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #5 - April 01, 2009, 05:04 PM

    Definitely Khadija for all the same reasons which Rashna mentioned and Aisha for standing up to the Prophet and questioning certain ayahs which were 'revealed' to Mo with such convenient timing and also for standing up to woman-hating Umar ibn al-Khattab!  You go girls!

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

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  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #6 - April 01, 2009, 05:09 PM

    The poets who criticised Mohammad and got assassinated for it, and Zainab, who poisoned Mo.

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #7 - April 01, 2009, 06:31 PM

    Since everyone out here is pretty familiar with Islamic Scriptures- I wanted to ask, who is your favorite character amongst the people mentioned in the Quran, Hadiths & Sira?

    Mine's Khadija, super rich, super successful businesswoman, sugar momma to handsome orphan Muhammad, probably had a pact with Muhammad that she'd divorce him without any alimony if he dared to fool around with another woman or take another wife, I totally dig all that! Afro

    I honestly haven't come across anyone like her in the OT\NT or any other religious Scripture!The Queen of Sheba in the OT comes close, but she was a Queen, while Khadija inspite of being an heiress also expanded her business. Khadija has more balls than many a male Prophet!
    - but she did a dumb thing by believing her husband's a Prophet! tickedoff

    Who is\are your favorite characters?

    I seriously doubt she believed he was a prophet, i think she realized the profit she can gain if her useless husband (who had lost a lof of her money in bad trades and who spent his time in a cave instead of helping her with here (7?) kids).

    can you imagine, today, having, not 7 but 2-4 kids, and instead of standing by your wife, helping the kids and looking after the family business, you bugger off and sit in a coffee shop for days and nights?

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #8 - April 02, 2009, 03:33 AM

    Zayd bin 'Amr bin Nawfal.

    Like Jubair bin Mut'am says of verse 52:35-36 of Qur'an (in Bukhari, kitab at-tafseer, and maghazi), I say of the above article,

    Quote
    When I first heard it, my heart almost flew! That was the first time Eemaan (in my case: heresy and doubt Grin) settled in my heart

    Khidr's cool too Wink

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  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #9 - April 02, 2009, 05:22 AM

    can you imagine, today, having, not 7 but 2-4 kids, and instead of standing by your wife, helping the kids and looking after the family business, you bugger off and sit in a coffee shop for days and nights?


    You know Baal, this part has always bothered me-Muhammad was apparently a pretty talented & diligent worker, he was respected for his honesty in Mecca & Khadijah proposed to him supposedly impressed by these qualities, but right after marriage he seemed to give up all work & preferred a life of sloth. Khadijah also apparently gave up her businesses & settled down to happy domesticity, but I somewhat understand why a 40+ woman, twice widowed, having spent her life negotiating tough business deals would want to "retire" to be with her children. If we keep in mind the increases in life expectancy, 40+ then was retirement age today, but why did Muhammad retire immediately after his marriage? Had he continued to work as honestly & diligently as before, he could've probably become Arabia's richest & most successful trader in his own right & then maybe his achievement drive would be satisfied & he wouldn't want to become a "Prophet".

     Thinking hard was all Muhammad's hard work & sincerity a ploy to get his Boss Khadija's attention & manage to wed the rich old widow to spend the rest of his life   Chilling

    Was Muhammad the 7th century male equivalent of these women?www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=MRS%20degree

    When he was acquiring the title of "honest" should it have ideally been called a "Mr Degree"?  rofl

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #10 - April 06, 2009, 06:24 PM

    Abu Huraira, don't know anything about him, but the man narrated most of the hadiths  Cheesy

    I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #11 - April 06, 2009, 07:32 PM

    urbandictionary.com should become an official source of tafseer.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #12 - April 06, 2009, 07:40 PM

    Abu Huraira, don't know anything about him, but the man narrated most of the hadiths  Cheesy


    Ah! Abu Huraira! He narrated some of the most virulently misogynist hadiths.He narrated the hadith that women were made from a crooked rib, making them deficient, that they would be the majority of Hell's inhabitants, their menstrual cycles made them deficient & worth only half a man's witness, that Muhammad cursed men who wear women's clothes & women who wear men's clothes, women should ideally sit at the back in mosques-all these narrations are by Abu Huraira.

    I'd read that reformist Muslim Khaled Abou el Fadl discredits Abu Huraira's narrations & claim that he marginalized & hypersexualized women by attributing misogynistic statements to the Prophet.

    Already we have a few Quran only Muslims, now if we start to doubt every narrator as dubious, then very soon Islam will be "reformed out of existence". Muhammad didn't pen down the Quran himself, apparently he was illiterate, the Quran was collected after Muhammad through various narrrations- once we discredit a single narrator as falsely attributing statements to Muhammad, we open a can of worms, every single narrator becomes doubtful-& the Quran itself seems less like Allah's revelations to Muhammad & more like a compilation of the personal viewpoints of different narrators.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #13 - April 06, 2009, 07:54 PM

    Good point, and shows there may be hope yest.  I know Muslims are supposed to believe in the authenticated hadith, but I now keep coming across an extrememly virulent strain of Muslims that have discovered the anti-meme to such criticism - the Quran-only are growing in numbers.

    This may seem like good news in the short term, but I believe this will keep the religion going for longer as there is less to attack, particularly with regards to its comical value.

    In order to prove some of the more ludicrous side of the religion (satans pissing in ears, scorecard for killing ghekos, underage sex, fly's wings etc etc) this has now turned into an impervious shield.

    What argument do I have to say that they are supposed to believe in Bukhari & Muslim?  Or does anyone know of a source where I can get more information?

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  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #14 - April 06, 2009, 08:33 PM

    On the subject of the thread, my favorite characters include Aisha, who went out of her way to successfully 'whack' several sahabas at great risks to her life. In fact, possible at the cost of her life if we were to believe the story about her getting poisoned.

    The other character was Nofal, the guy that married muhammad to khadija and later muhamad claimed that Nofal conformed mohammad's prophethood.

    In reality, Nofal soon died after this revelation and we never really knew what he said or did. However, right after muhammad would talk to Nofal, he would often run in the mountain with suicidal thoughts. How can Nofal be a bad man, if he was giving to Mo suicidal thoughts.


    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #15 - April 07, 2009, 02:29 PM

    What argument do I have to say that they are supposed to believe in Bukhari & Muslim?  Or does anyone know of a source where I can get more information?


    Well you can start by asking them to stop praying five times daily & going to Hajj-I doubt they'll want to abandon these practices. If they still stick to their Quran only position, then ask them about wife beating-4.34, if they say that the verse says to beat with a "miswak" then point out that miswak is there in the hadiths-the Quran simply says to "beat" & there is no lightly in the original verse, till Yusuf Ali added lightly in brackets in the 20th century. Allah never said lightly in the Quran, He simply said, "beat" in the Quran, as "lightly" or "harshly" as the husband pleased.  Yep_True.

    Then ask them why one half of the Quran consists of somewhat more tolerant verses like, "There is no compulsion in religion..." while the later verses are full of instructions to murder "unbelievers". Probably they'll start explaining that the later verses were revealed in a war situation(unless they're Osama fans, who wholeheratedly support the later verses! Grin) & you can then point out that its impossible to understand a "war situation" without reference to Hadiths & left only with the Quran we come across earlier verses preaching grudging tolerance, later verses preaching murderous intolerance & the way out of this contradiction in the Quran is the doctrine of "abrogation" which cancels out the peaceful verses & leaves only the violent ones. bunny

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #16 - April 07, 2009, 08:32 PM

    can you imagine, today, having, not 7 but 2-4 kids, and instead of standing by your wife, helping the kids and looking after the family business, you bugger off and sit in a coffee shop for days and nights?


    Let's not forget that super-awesome Khadijah had slaves to do that stuff for her. 

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  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #17 - April 07, 2009, 08:38 PM

    What argument do I have to say that they are supposed to believe in Bukhari & Muslim?  Or does anyone know of a source where I can get more information?


    Well you can start by asking them to stop praying five times daily & going to Hajj-I doubt they'll want to abandon these practices.


    Good point.  But who was it that said Bukhari & Muslim are the only authenticated verses and that all Muslims should believe in them.  If I can get that source, then I can solve the riddle as to whether Muslims have to accept the words of the authenticated Hadiths.

    Most Muslims automatically follow them, but I am finding those that are close to apostacy use this safety blanket. I just need to find a reason to believe for them to have to believe these ridiculous hadith.

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  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #18 - April 07, 2009, 08:43 PM

    Since everyone out here is pretty familiar with Islamic Scriptures- I wanted to ask, who is your favorite character amongst the people mentioned in the Quran, Hadiths & Sira?


    Nusaybah bint Kaab, because she got on the battlefield, sword in hand, and I admire women warriors.

    Other than that, none of them really.  I'm sitting here running down a list of all the Sahaba, the Tabiyeen, the Tabee  Tabiyeen in my head and not a single one of them is admirable to me.  I never really liked any of them, I found it hard to admire them, because I thought they were portrayed in their own words as brutal and cold people, or manipulative and power hungry, or weak.  I would say Asma bint Marwan, then, and the other poets who were killed, only because they had the cajones to do or say something.  I pity the wives of Muhammad (LMAO), because they did what they had to do in bad situations to make the best of it - being married off as children or as fresh widows and slaves whose families were killed or imprisoned by the Muslims, etc.  

    In general Islamic history, I would have to say 'the Favoured Women', the wives and mothers of the Ottoman Sultans in the 16th & 17th centuries who were to wield considerable social and political power, despite being slaves and women - to the point where Hurrem Sultan (Roxelana) was not only freed, but legally married to Suleiman the Magnficent, something that simply was not done.  


    Finally I will say Huda Ashrawi because when she removed the niqaab in the train station of Cairo, it set off a revolution  - a personal revolution in many ways - for Arab and Muslim women that is still ongoing today.  

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  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #19 - April 08, 2009, 07:14 AM

    Sakeena aka Sukayna bint Husayn bin Ali!

    "Some women tried to resist the changes imposed on them after the death of the Prophet. They claimed the right to go out barza (unveiled), a word that they added to the Lisan al-?Arab dictionary: "A barza woman is one who does not hide her face and does not lower her head." And the dictionary adds that a barza woman is one who "is seen by people and who receives visitors at home" ? men, obviously.  A barza woman is also a woman who has "sound judgement."  A barz man or woman is someone "known for their ?aql [reasoning]."  Who are they, these Muslim women who have resisted the hijab?  The most famous was Sukayna, one of the great-granddaughters of the Prophet through his daughter Fatima, the wife of ?Ali, the famous ?Ali, the ill-fated fourth orthodox caliph who abandoned power to Mu?awiya and was assassinated by the first Muslim political terrorist.  His sons? fates were as tragic as his own, and Sukayna was present at the killing of her father at Karbala.  That tragedy partly explains her revolt against political, oppressive, despotic Islam and against everything that hinders the individual?s freedom ? including the hijab.

    Sukayna was born in year 49 of the Hejira (about AD 671). She was celebrated for her beauty, for what the Arabs call beauty ? an explosive mixture of physical attractiveness, critical intelligence, and caustic wit.  The most powerful men debated with her; caliphs and princes proposed marriage to her, which she disdained for political reasons.  Nevertheless, she ended marrying five, some say six, husbands.  She quarreled with some of them, made passionate declarations of love to others, brought one to court for infidelity, and never pledged ta?a (obedience, the key principle of Muslim marriage) to any of them.  In her marriage contracts she stipulated that she would not obey her husband, but would do as she pleased, and that she did not acknowledge that her husband had the right to practice polygyny.  All this was the result of her interest in political affairs and poetry.  She continued to receive visits from poets and, despite her several marriages, to attend the meetings of the Qurashi tribal council, the equivalent of today?s democratic municipal councils.  Her personality has fascinated the historians, who have devoted pages and pages, sometimes whole biographies, to her... All her life Sukayna harboured feelings of contempt, which she never hesitated to express, for the Umayyad dynasty and its bloody methods. She attacked the dynasty in the mosques and insulted its governors and representatives every time she had the opportunity, even arranging occasions for this purpose.

    The conditions Sakina put in her marriage act with one of her husbands, Zayd, made of her a celebrity and a nashiz, a rebellious wife. She stipulated that he would have no right to another wife, that he could never prevent her from acting according to her own will, that he would let her elect to live near her woman friend, Ummu Manshuz, and that he would never try to go against her desires (Agani XIV, pp. 168, 169. Mada?ini, Kitab al-muraddafat, p. 66).  When the husband once decided to go against Sakina?s will and went one weekend to his concubines, she took him to court, and in front of the Medina judge she shouted at him, ?Look as much as you can at me today, because you will never see me again!? (Agani XVI, p. 155).?

    - Women?s Rebellin & Islamic Memory, by Fatima Mernissi


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  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #20 - April 08, 2009, 08:35 AM

    Sakeena aka Sukayna bint Husayn bin Ali!

    "Some women tried to resist the changes imposed on them after the death of the Prophet. They claimed the right to go out barza (unveiled), a word that they added to the Lisan al-?Arab dictionary: "A barza woman is one who does not hide her face and does not lower her head." And the dictionary adds that a barza woman is one who "is seen by people and who receives visitors at home" ? men, obviously.  A barza woman is also a woman who has "sound judgement."  A barz man or woman is someone "known for their ?aql [reasoning]."  Who are they, these Muslim women who have resisted the hijab?  The most famous was Sukayna, one of the great-granddaughters of the Prophet through his daughter Fatima, the wife of ?Ali, the famous ?Ali, the ill-fated fourth orthodox caliph who abandoned power to Mu?awiya and was assassinated by the first Muslim political terrorist.  His sons? fates were as tragic as his own, and Sukayna was present at the killing of her father at Karbala.  That tragedy partly explains her revolt against political, oppressive, despotic Islam and against everything that hinders the individual?s freedom ? including the hijab.

    Sukayna was born in year 49 of the Hejira (about AD 671). She was celebrated for her beauty, for what the Arabs call beauty ? an explosive mixture of physical attractiveness, critical intelligence, and caustic wit.  The most powerful men debated with her; caliphs and princes proposed marriage to her, which she disdained for political reasons.  Nevertheless, she ended marrying five, some say six, husbands.  She quarreled with some of them, made passionate declarations of love to others, brought one to court for infidelity, and never pledged ta?a (obedience, the key principle of Muslim marriage) to any of them.  In her marriage contracts she stipulated that she would not obey her husband, but would do as she pleased, and that she did not acknowledge that her husband had the right to practice polygyny.  All this was the result of her interest in political affairs and poetry.  She continued to receive visits from poets and, despite her several marriages, to attend the meetings of the Qurashi tribal council, the equivalent of today?s democratic municipal councils.  Her personality has fascinated the historians, who have devoted pages and pages, sometimes whole biographies, to her... All her life Sukayna harboured feelings of contempt, which she never hesitated to express, for the Umayyad dynasty and its bloody methods. She attacked the dynasty in the mosques and insulted its governors and representatives every time she had the opportunity, even arranging occasions for this purpose.

    The conditions Sakina put in her marriage act with one of her husbands, Zayd, made of her a celebrity and a nashiz, a rebellious wife. She stipulated that he would have no right to another wife, that he could never prevent her from acting according to her own will, that he would let her elect to live near her woman friend, Ummu Manshuz, and that he would never try to go against her desires (Agani XIV, pp. 168, 169. Mada?ini, Kitab al-muraddafat, p. 66).  When the husband once decided to go against Sakina?s will and went one weekend to his concubines, she took him to court, and in front of the Medina judge she shouted at him, ?Look as much as you can at me today, because you will never see me again!? (Agani XVI, p. 155).?

    - Women?s Rebellin & Islamic Memory, by Fatima Mernissi



    Are you sure about that? I looked her up in Wiki but it doesn't mention any of that-
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukayna_bint_Husayn
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #21 - April 08, 2009, 08:45 AM

    Maybe cuz the wiki was done by pious musulmans? Should be edited Wink

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #22 - April 08, 2009, 09:26 AM

    Maybe cuz the wiki was done by pious musulmans? Should be edited Wink

    Go for it! Wink
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #23 - April 08, 2009, 10:07 AM

    Since everyone out here is pretty familiar with Islamic Scriptures- I wanted to ask, who is your favorite character amongst the people mentioned in the Quran, Hadiths & Sira?

    Mine's Khadija, super rich, super successful businesswoman, sugar momma to handsome orphan Muhammad, probably had a pact with Muhammad that she'd divorce him without any alimony if he dared to fool around with another woman or take another wife, I totally dig all that! Afro

    I honestly haven't come across anyone like her in the OT\NT or any other religious Scripture!The Queen of Sheba in the OT comes close, but she was a Queen, while Khadija inspite of being an heiress also expanded her business. Khadija has more balls than many a male Prophet!
    - but she did a dumb thing by believing her husband's a Prophet! tickedoff

    Who is\are your favorite characters?



    Mine is  Ali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_ibn_Abi_Talib) I have a great affinity for him.
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #24 - April 16, 2009, 12:41 AM

    Sakeena aka Sukayna bint Husayn bin Ali!

    "Some women tried to resist the changes imposed on them after the death of the Prophet. They claimed the right to go out barza (unveiled), a word that they added to the Lisan al-?Arab dictionary: "A barza woman is one who does not hide her face and does not lower her head." And the dictionary adds that a barza woman is one who "is seen by people and who receives visitors at home" ? men, obviously.  A barza woman is also a woman who has "sound judgement."  A barz man or woman is someone "known for their ?aql [reasoning]."  Who are they, these Muslim women who have resisted the hijab?  The most famous was Sukayna, one of the great-granddaughters of the Prophet through his daughter Fatima, the wife of ?Ali, the famous ?Ali, the ill-fated fourth orthodox caliph who abandoned power to Mu?awiya and was assassinated by the first Muslim political terrorist.  His sons? fates were as tragic as his own, and Sukayna was present at the killing of her father at Karbala.  That tragedy partly explains her revolt against political, oppressive, despotic Islam and against everything that hinders the individual?s freedom ? including the hijab.

    Sukayna was born in year 49 of the Hejira (about AD 671). She was celebrated for her beauty, for what the Arabs call beauty ? an explosive mixture of physical attractiveness, critical intelligence, and caustic wit.  The most powerful men debated with her; caliphs and princes proposed marriage to her, which she disdained for political reasons.  Nevertheless, she ended marrying five, some say six, husbands.  She quarreled with some of them, made passionate declarations of love to others, brought one to court for infidelity, and never pledged ta?a (obedience, the key principle of Muslim marriage) to any of them.  In her marriage contracts she stipulated that she would not obey her husband, but would do as she pleased, and that she did not acknowledge that her husband had the right to practice polygyny.  All this was the result of her interest in political affairs and poetry.  She continued to receive visits from poets and, despite her several marriages, to attend the meetings of the Qurashi tribal council, the equivalent of today?s democratic municipal councils.  Her personality has fascinated the historians, who have devoted pages and pages, sometimes whole biographies, to her... All her life Sukayna harboured feelings of contempt, which she never hesitated to express, for the Umayyad dynasty and its bloody methods. She attacked the dynasty in the mosques and insulted its governors and representatives every time she had the opportunity, even arranging occasions for this purpose.

    The conditions Sakina put in her marriage act with one of her husbands, Zayd, made of her a celebrity and a nashiz, a rebellious wife. She stipulated that he would have no right to another wife, that he could never prevent her from acting according to her own will, that he would let her elect to live near her woman friend, Ummu Manshuz, and that he would never try to go against her desires (Agani XIV, pp. 168, 169. Mada?ini, Kitab al-muraddafat, p. 66).  When the husband once decided to go against Sakina?s will and went one weekend to his concubines, she took him to court, and in front of the Medina judge she shouted at him, ?Look as much as you can at me today, because you will never see me again!? (Agani XVI, p. 155).?

    - Women?s Rebellin & Islamic Memory, by Fatima Mernissi





    This sounds nice, for a Muslimah. But wasn't Sakina, daughter of hussain, grand daughter of Ali killed in the dungeons while the whole lot was imprisoned after the Karbala incident? That's what I heard growing up from every direction... it's a big thing among Shias who spend long amounts of time mourning her and the rest of Hussain's family every year (Ashura). Are we thinking of 2 different people?

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #25 - April 16, 2009, 12:59 AM

    lol, hmm, I don't have a "favourite" character, but one character that always interested me was Umar Ibn Al-Khattab. I mean, at times, he was an even bigger asshole than Muhammad! If you don't believe me, read the pact of Umar. That describes it all.

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    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #26 - April 16, 2009, 05:31 AM

    Another character I immensely like is the "Prophetess" Sajah, who was one of the important participants of the Ridda wars which broke out after Muhammad's death.

    Many tribes wanted to apostasize, they set up their own candidates for Prophet, in opposition to the Quraysh Muhammad, Sajah was one such woman.

    She was a real firecracker, she led her people to rebel against Islam, but was finally defeated by the Islamic forces!  sad

    Islam doesn't have any Prophetesses, but both Prophetess & a super successful businesswoman like Khadija come from Pre Islamic Arabia! bunny

    This link is very interesting, its an article by Leila Ahmed, Egyptian Muslim feminist:
    Please read it!

    http://books.google.co.in/books?id=wTYJv7mwCoIC&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195&dq=Sajah+Arabian+Prophetess&source=bl&ots=DWMJykFchK&sig=SOo9B1R9xTumkpYk9xRJjQ7azcE&hl=en&ei=bsHmSd_OJJSIkQWlydWoBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3

    It also speaks of another woman rebel, Salma bint Malik, whose mother had been killed by Muslims by being tied to the two legs of beasts which rent her in two.  no Sajah wanted to avenge her mother's death & after Mo died, led a rebellion against him. Attagirl! great

    It also speaks of the Hadramaut women rejoicing Muhammad's death, because of all the Islamic restrictions on them.

    Then it says that Islam was also a joyless religion, Muhammad's great granddaughter Sukaina on being asked why she was so merry & her sister so gloomy answered that it was as she was named after her Pre Islamic great grandmother & her sister after her Islamic grand mother! grin12

    Ayatollah Khomeini would proclaim 1400 years after Sukaina, "There are no jokes in Islam!" Wink

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  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #27 - April 16, 2009, 07:51 AM

    Great finds Rashna  Afro

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #28 - April 16, 2009, 10:33 AM

    Great finds Rashna  Afro


     Thank you sign awais!

    This article is by Leila Ahmed, Egyptian Muslim feminist, & another such scholar is Moroccan Fatima Mernissi, both these women hold unorthodox views, many doubt they're Muslims at all, but they label themselves Muslim, & they're to Islam what Reform Judaism is to Torah Judaism!  Smiley

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leila_Ahmed.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatema_Mernissi

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Favourite Character in Islamic Scriptures
     Reply #29 - April 16, 2009, 06:00 PM

    Finally I will say Huda Ashrawi because when she removed the niqaab in the train station of Cairo, it set off a revolution  - a personal revolution in many ways - for Arab and Muslim women that is still ongoing today.  


    I really like Huda Ashrawi, & Ataturk's ex wife Latife Ussaki was cool too!   great

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latife_U%C5%9Fakl%C4%B1gil

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
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