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  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #150 - April 08, 2009, 07:26 PM

    I cant remember who mentioned it but I really want a claymore. It's just one of those things that have to be done. Also, I wants a Arab style saif/ a scimitar. The shape is different on the scimitar so gonna have to get used to that. I was also thinking a single edged rapier, they're soooo slick and a military style hanger to go with it. I was browsing and saw this knife called a Stiletto...Im fucking having myself one of those.

    Can you use swords professionally, or do you just collect?
  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #151 - April 08, 2009, 07:29 PM

    I cant remember who mentioned it but I really want a claymore. It's just one of those things that have to be done. Also, I wants a Arab style saif/ a scimitar. The shape is different on the scimitar so gonna have to get used to that. I was also thinking a single edged rapier, they're soooo slick and a military style hanger to go with it. I was browsing and saw this knife called a Stiletto...Im fucking having myself one of those.

    Can you use swords professionally, or do you just collect?


    I can fight with them. I have to change a bit depending on the weapon.

    At the moment I dont collect, I just use. lol I dont have the money yet but when I do....
  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #152 - April 08, 2009, 08:35 PM

    I'll kill YOU in a minute!


    Fucking bring it.

    I'll fucking bring YOU!

    "At 8:47 I do a grenade jump off a ladder."
  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #153 - April 08, 2009, 08:37 PM

    I'll kill YOU in a minute!


    Fucking bring it.

    I'll fucking bring YOU!


    Make sense.
  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #154 - April 09, 2009, 02:46 AM

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-marie-moore-shooting-video-040709,0,199030.story

    This is fucked up  :'(
  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #155 - April 09, 2009, 03:04 AM

    Yeah. Don't give guns to the mentally ill. Bad move.

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  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #156 - April 09, 2009, 11:52 AM

    That was real fucked up
  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #157 - April 11, 2009, 01:59 PM

    No, but the US is.

    Actually Mexico has the most gun crimes in Noth america, this is dispite the fact that it has the strictest gun control laws on the continent.

    Irrelevant. The point was that the US is violent and has high rates of gun related crimes.

    And gun control will not solve this situation, considering that D.C and other high crime northern cities banned Guns and suffered an increase in gun crimes. As compare to the rest of US in which gun related crimes decreased.


    Here in Texas, we have something called a "castle" law.  I.e. defending one's home and family is a legal justification for using lethal force as a first move. You still have to prove that you were being attacked, though.

    Anyway, someone in my neighborhood had to take advantage of that law when he shot dead a crew of home invaders (three of them).  When all the dust settled, it turned out that they had invaded the wrong home, not because they got shot dead, but because they were after the drug dealer two doors down.  THAT person hauled ass, leaving behind everything but his "merchandise".  He was caught a few weeks later.  There hasn't been a whole lot of "excitement" since.



     

    Afro  Good for him.

    I don't like the idea of anyone taking away my ability to defend myself, my family, or my property. I own a Remington 870 12 gauge shotgun, and a lever action Winchester Model 94  in .30-30 caliber. Yet I don't go running around shooting people who look at me cross-eyed.

    Nor do I like the idea of some scumbag being able to get black market firearms, while Joe Average can't even own a .22. Unfortunately, no matter what any government does they will never get rid of all firearms. Just the ones available to regular citizens, making them easy prey for criminals with guns.

    And since I can't depend on the police to do their jobs correctly, I'll take things into my own hands if I have to.



    If they try to take guns away from the citizenry, I know several machinists who would gladly make one for me.
  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #158 - April 11, 2009, 02:09 PM

    If you two ever decide to actually give it a go, just for scientific curiousity mind you, would it be too much to ask that you both dress up in Gladiator apparel?  Tongue

    That would really get me hot.  whistling2


    Any special rewards for the winner?

  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #159 - April 11, 2009, 02:18 PM

    There's only one purpose for guns, to kill.


    Correct. So why should some people have them and others not?


    Because then some people (not saying everybody) would go around being irresponsible with guns?


    You mean like cops?

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    How do you regulate that?


    You can't regulate everything. You can't keep people safe 100% of the time. The whole issue is whether or not the government gets to limit people's right to defend themselves. I don't care what the murder rate is, I will never agree to that. The fact is there are guns out there. Even if the amount of guns on the black market is reduced, there will always be some criminals who can get a hold of one. And the government still gets to hold on to their guns, and I see little evidence that they are any more responsible with their guns than the average citizen. The only certain result of banning civilian gun ownership is that responsible law-abiding citizens will not have access to guns, and if someone does decide to purchase a firearm for self-defense, exercising their natural rights is now a criminal offense punishable by a long prison sentence-- and in my country at least, we have way too many people in prison as it is (more than anywhere else in the world), so I'm not likely to support laws that will only make more people into criminals.


    Prohibition of anything is a crime factory. 

    Look at the original Prohibition (alcohol), the war on drugs, and UK/Aussie gun laws.  In each and every case, a criminal class arises to supply the need/desire.  This is why we have so much violence as of late on the US/Mexico border.

    There exists nothing that cannot be somehow misused. 
  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #160 - April 11, 2009, 02:31 PM

    So the solution to murder is to stop prohibiting it? Technically that would work.

    "At 8:47 I do a grenade jump off a ladder."
  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #161 - April 11, 2009, 02:34 PM

    So the solution to murder is to stop prohibiting it? Technically that would work.

    Murder is not a victimless crime.
  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #162 - April 11, 2009, 02:44 PM

    This may sound cold blooded, but the violent repeat criminals shouldn't be supported in prison by taxpayers money. I think they should be taken to an island somewhere and let them kill each other off.

     I get tired of paying for those murderers to have 3 meals a day and a nice warm place to sleep, for life. When I have to worry about paying for a roof, a bed, and food, for myself and my family.


    I don't think it's cold-blooded at all. I'm very much in support of prison rehab and re-entry programs and I think we need to do more with that (I really believe many criminals deserve a second chance, sometimes even a third one), but violent repeat offenders are another matter. Many of these people are psychopaths (believed to be about 10% of the prison population), and, by definition, a psychopath cannot be rehabilitated and will re-offend. Although I'm against the death penalty on purely practical grounds, morally I'd have no problem with the state executing violent repeat offenders found to have psychopathic personalities (even if they haven't killed anybody yet). But the devil's in the details and I think it wouldn't be a practical policy.


    re psychopaths:   


    "In a typical prison population, about 20 percent of the inmates satisfy the Hare definition of a psychopath, but they are responsible for over half of all violent crime."




    "Most scaring is the fact that between 1 and 4 % of the population is sociopathic in a lesser or larger degree. Of course, most of the persons with SPD are not criminals and are able to control it within the limits of social tolerability. They are considered only  "socially obnoxious" or hateful personalities, and every one of us knows of someone who fits the description."
  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #163 - April 11, 2009, 03:04 PM



    This is your mind.  And this is your mind on religion......

  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #164 - April 11, 2009, 04:20 PM

    This may sound cold blooded, but the violent repeat criminals shouldn't be supported in prison by taxpayers money. I think they should be taken to an island somewhere and let them kill each other off.

     I get tired of paying for those murderers to have 3 meals a day and a nice warm place to sleep, for life. When I have to worry about paying for a roof, a bed, and food, for myself and my family.


    I don't think it's cold-blooded at all. I'm very much in support of prison rehab and re-entry programs and I think we need to do more with that (I really believe many criminals deserve a second chance, sometimes even a third one), but violent repeat offenders are another matter. Many of these people are psychopaths (believed to be about 10% of the prison population), and, by definition, a psychopath cannot be rehabilitated and will re-offend. Although I'm against the death penalty on purely practical grounds, morally I'd have no problem with the state executing violent repeat offenders found to have psychopathic personalities (even if they haven't killed anybody yet). But the devil's in the details and I think it wouldn't be a practical policy.


    re psychopaths:   


    "In a typical prison population, about 20 percent of the inmates satisfy the Hare definition of a psychopath, but they are responsible for over half of all violent crime."


    "Most scaring is the fact that between 1 and 4 % of the population is sociopathic in a lesser or larger degree. Of course, most of the persons with SPD are not criminals and are able to control it within the limits of social tolerability. They are considered only  "socially obnoxious" or hateful personalities, and every one of us knows of someone who fits the description."


    The latter article is conflating APD, sociopathy and psychopathy. A lot of psychologists who specialize in psychopathy think the DSM-IV fucked-up in lumping everything together into APD, and believe there is a spectrum-- with psychopathy being the most deviant behavior, sociopathy the next, then APD. Problem is that APD's diagnostic criteria is much broader than that of the traditional diagnostic criteria for psychopathy. So all psychopaths have APD, but not all people with APD are psychopaths. Although using the terms psychopathy, sociopathy and APD interchangeably is commonplace amongst many psychologists today, in my decidedly non-expert opinion, it is incorrect.

    But the point of the article I think you were getting at is true-- not all those who are sociopathic end up in prison, for the most part, those with the most aggression and least amount of impulse control do (which typically would place them closer to the psychopathic end of the spectrum), or those who fuck-up and get caught committing a crime. According to some studies, more "socially acceptable" sociopaths tend to be concentrated in politics, police forces, and the corporate world (I know, big surprise).

    fuck you
  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #165 - April 11, 2009, 05:16 PM


    According to some studies, more "socially acceptable" sociopaths tend to be concentrated in politics, police forces, and the corporate world (I know, big surprise).


    It's the only explanation that makes sense.

  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #166 - April 12, 2009, 11:56 AM

    The latter article is conflating APD, sociopathy and psychopathy. A lot of psychologists who specialize in psychopathy think the DSM-IV fucked-up in lumping everything together into APD, and believe there is a spectrum-- with psychopathy being the most deviant behavior, sociopathy the next, then APD. Problem is that APD's diagnostic criteria is much broader than that of the traditional diagnostic criteria for psychopathy. So all psychopaths have APD, but not all people with APD are psychopaths. Although using the terms psychopathy, sociopathy and APD interchangeably is commonplace amongst many psychologists today, in my decidedly non-expert opinion, it is incorrect.

    But the point of the article I think you were getting at is true-- not all those who are sociopathic end up in prison, for the most part, those with the most aggression and least amount of impulse control do (which typically would place them closer to the psychopathic end of the spectrum), or those who fuck-up and get caught committing a crime. According to some studies, more "socially acceptable" sociopaths tend to be concentrated in politics, police forces, and the corporate world (I know, big surprise).

    There is divided opinion on this, you hold the minority view. Fundamentally, the term 'psychopathy' is a legal term rather than a clinical term but tends to be the term bandied about in the media. Within the current diagnostic manuals that are adhered to in the profession, psychopathy is not considered to be a distinct entity. The reason for this is because there is insufficient research to suggest that it is a separate entity to either ASPD or sociopathy. However, you are right that antisocial/dissocial personality disorder, as with everything in life, exists on a spectrum. I would argue though that by using these additional terms, confusion is created, particularly as these divisions are artificial, nebulous and not based on clear evidence. 
     
    We should also avoid attaching labels just so we can medicalise people's personality traits (as per USA's example) because this takes responsibility away from them for moderating their behaviour e.g. 'I can't help it because I'm a sociopath'. Also, this goes against the very definition of a 'personality disorder' in which behaviour patterns should significantly deviate from social norms.

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  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #167 - April 12, 2009, 03:32 PM

    The latter article is conflating APD, sociopathy and psychopathy. A lot of psychologists who specialize in psychopathy think the DSM-IV fucked-up in lumping everything together into APD, and believe there is a spectrum-- with psychopathy being the most deviant behavior, sociopathy the next, then APD. Problem is that APD's diagnostic criteria is much broader than that of the traditional diagnostic criteria for psychopathy. So all psychopaths have APD, but not all people with APD are psychopaths. Although using the terms psychopathy, sociopathy and APD interchangeably is commonplace amongst many psychologists today, in my decidedly non-expert opinion, it is incorrect.

    But the point of the article I think you were getting at is true-- not all those who are sociopathic end up in prison, for the most part, those with the most aggression and least amount of impulse control do (which typically would place them closer to the psychopathic end of the spectrum), or those who fuck-up and get caught committing a crime. According to some studies, more "socially acceptable" sociopaths tend to be concentrated in politics, police forces, and the corporate world (I know, big surprise).

    There is divided opinion on this, you hold the minority view.


    Yes, but I'm awesome and wicked smart.

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    Fundamentally, the term 'psychopathy' is a legal term rather than a clinical term but tends to be the term bandied about in the media.


    Not in the US. Psychopathy has always been a clinical term. We don't have an equivalent of your Mental Health Act here.

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    Within the current diagnostic manuals that are adhered to in the profession, psychopathy is not considered to be a distinct entity.


    Yes, and as far as the DSM-IV is concerned there was much controversy at the time over that change. A significant number of experts in the field at that time were opposed to the change.

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    The reason for this is because there is insufficient research to suggest that it is a separate entity to either ASPD or sociopathy.


    Disagree. Lack of empathy and lack of fear are not included in the current DSM-IV criteria for ASPD, and these, previously, were key in determining psychopathy (at least by Cleckley who pioneered the study of psychopathy). Nor does the current category take account of the consistent failure of psychopaths to modify their behavior, and many of the diagnostic criteria in Hare's PCL-R are absent in the DSM-IV's criteria for ASPD.

    Worst of all, the DSM-IV's criteria for ASPD are so broad and so focused on deviant behavior that it's synonymous with just about ANY criminal behavior. You only have to meet 3 of the 7 diagnostic criteria in the DSM-IV to be qualified for ASPD, which would probably apply to the vast majority of the incarcerated, whereas various estimates put the psychopathic prison population at only 10-25%. In other words, ASPD is so broadly-defined that it's meaningless and not very useful (especially in terms of weeding out who can be rehabilitated and who will almost certainly reoffend).

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    I would argue though that by using these additional terms, confusion is created, particularly as these divisions are artificial, nebulous and not based on clear evidence.

     

    Again, I disagree. There has been plenty of research to suggest that psychopathy is a distinct behavior disorder from ASPD, and the PCL-R has very clear diagnostic criteria.
     
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    We should also avoid attaching labels just so we can medicalise people's personality traits (as per USA's example) because this takes responsibility away from them for moderating their behaviour e.g. 'I can't help it because I'm a sociopath'. Also, this goes against the very definition of a 'personality disorder' in which behaviour patterns should significantly deviate from social norms.


    No, it does not diminish responsibility in any way, not in this country. Again, we don't have an equivalent of your Mental Health Act, and the courts here have consistently held that behavioral disorders and irresistable impulse are not sufficient grounds to absolve or even mitigate one's responsibility under the law. You MIGHT get a pass if you're schizophrenic or retarded, but you definitely will not get a pass if you're classified as a psychopath-- if anything it would likely result in you not getting paroled and instead serving the full sentence. In fact, I think that's the main reason why we need to keep psychopathy as a separate category-- so we can more accurately determine which convicts are most likely to reoffend and sentence accordingly.

    fuck you
  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #168 - April 12, 2009, 09:16 PM

    'Psychopathy' is not covered separately in either the DSM-IV or ICD-10, so I would not consider it to be a widely recognised diagnostic/clinical term as you have suggested. However, this may change with DSM-V although I have not heard anything to suggest that this will be the case.
     
    'Callous concern for the feelings of others' and 'incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment' are included within the ICD-10 criteria for dissocial personality disorder so you might want to start using ICD-10 instead of DSM-IV!
     
    In any diagnostic criteria, you don't need to 'tick all the boxes' to warrant the diagnosis e.g. HCL-R, so I don't think this is a fair point. You also mention that it is a distinct behavioural disorder, or is it just a more severe form of ASPD?
     
    It concerns me massively that you would allocate rehabilitation based upon whether or not they have ASPD or psychopathy. What treatment would you then offer to psychopaths? Even worse, you are basing this 'diagnosis' on just the outcome of a checklist. There needs to be a more collaborative approach to predicting recidivism, a small part of which could be the HCL-R. In the UK, psychiatric and psychological assessments are conducted (if requested by the legal representatives/court) prior to sentencing which offers a very detailed and holistic assessment (so the psychiatrists can charge more, I assume!) which I think is more helpful than a label of 'psychopath'.
     
    You talk about accurate determination of risk, but risk is dynamic not static so accuracy will always be compromised. Irrespective of the criminal justice system, it is widely acknowledged within psychiatry that there needs to be less of an emphasis on labels due to stigmatisation and the subsequent isolation that patients endure. I agree with this hence my dislike of even more medical jargon.
     
    Out of interest, how do schizophrenics access treatment whilst in US prisons?

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  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #169 - April 13, 2009, 02:50 AM

    'Psychopathy' is not covered separately in either the DSM-IV or ICD-10, so I would not consider it to be a widely recognised diagnostic/clinical term as you have suggested.


    One faction won out over another, so that automatically makes the other side illegit? I know that's not what you said, but it seems to be where you're headed.
     
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    'Callous concern for the feelings of others' and 'incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment' are included within the ICD-10 criteria for dissocial personality disorder so you might want to start using ICD-10 instead of DSM-IV!


    Okay, can you provide the diagnostic criteria from the limey book for me, then? And how many on the checklist qualifies you?
     
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    You also mention that it is a distinct behavioural disorder, or is it just a more severe form of ASPD?


    There was an experiment amongst prisoners. They blew air into their eyelids, causing them to blink, while ringing a bell. The majority, like Pavlov's dogs, after a while blinked when the bell was rung but the air was not blown. The people previously diagnosed as psychopaths (a small percentage of the sample, most of which would probably qualify for ASPD) did not. Total inability to respond to behavioral conditioning is worthy of a separate category in my (again, non-expert) opinion.
     
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    What treatment would you then offer to psychopaths?


    A bullet to the back of the head? Psychopaths, by definition of the disorder, are currently untreatable. They should be confined and studied until a treatment is discovered.

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    Even worse, you are basing this 'diagnosis' on just the outcome of a checklist. There needs to be a more collaborative approach to predicting recidivism, a small part of which could be the HCL-R.


    I never said the sole basis for predicting recidivism should be the PCL-R. I only said that grouping psychopathy in with the much broader category of ASPD would be detrimental to such a prediction.

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    In the UK, psychiatric and psychological assessments are conducted (if requested by the legal representatives/court) prior to sentencing which offers a very detailed and holistic assessment (so the psychiatrists can charge more, I assume!) which I think is more helpful than a label of 'psychopath'.
     


    No offense, but although I'm no expert on the topic, I'm not gonna trust your government's system of dealing with the criminally insane solely on the basis of the Mental Health Act, which is an abomination worthy of the Soviet system of psychiatry. I'm not saying my country's system is not without its faults, but then again, I don't trust my government in how it deals with such things any better.

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    You talk about accurate determination of risk, but risk is dynamic not static so accuracy will always be compromised. Irrespective of the criminal justice system, it is widely acknowledged within psychiatry that there needs to be less of an emphasis on labels due to stigmatisation and the subsequent isolation that patients endure. I agree with this hence my dislike of even more medical jargon.

     
    Fuck that-- if a person is truly a psychopath I don't give two fucks about them being stigmatized.

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    Out of interest, how do schizophrenics access treatment whilst in US prisons?


    If they're in a prison and not an institution for the criminally insane, they access treatment the same way a prisoner with cancer would-- through the prison doctors. In both cases, the quality of care is frequently shameful.

    Here's where I'm comin from on this-- I think my country's criminal justice system and incarceration rate is shameful and manifestly unjust. I am also opposed to the social control aspects of psychology/psychiatry. I'd like to free most people from prison and see real reform in our criminal justice system, as well as get psychologists and psychiatrists out of the social control business. But the only way this will happen is (among other conditions) if we significantly reduce the amount of repeat offenders in society and if we identify the truly (a) insane and (b) behaviorally incurable. I see ASPD as part of a disturbing trend in psychology and psychiatry to broaden behavioral disorders to basically include anyone as having a behavioral disorder. Look in the DSM or the limey equivalent, then tell me that everyone you ever met couldn't be classified under at least one disorder listed in the manual. That's fucked up. Psychiatry/psychology should be limited to the truly mentally ill/disordered, not as it is now-- a panacea or global explanation for every behavior or thought someone finds troublesome. [/rant]

    fuck you
  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #170 - April 13, 2009, 01:23 PM

    I think it's quite flippant to say that just 'one faction won out over another'. Have you seen the list of collaborators and references used to compile these diagnostic guidelines? They are certainly not produced by a 'faction' and given that both DSM-IV and ICD-10 share the same view would also suggest that your comment is a misrepresentation of the facts.
     
    The ICD-10 is not a 'limey' book; in addition to England, there were also field trial coordinating centres and directors in Denmark, Brazil, India, Germany, Italy, Spain, New Zealand, Japan, Egypt, Luxembourg, Russia, China AND the USA.
     
    Here are the current diagnostic criteria: http://www.mentalhealth.com/icd/p22-pe04.html

    Don't forget you also have to fulfil the criteria for personality disorder at the foot of the page. As expected, I don't fulfil any of these criteria! How about you!? I would suggest though that you take a look at the diagnostic criteria for 'narcissistic personality disorder' instead!
     
    Have you got a reference for the study you cite? I'd be interested in looking at the numbers enrolled, sensitivity/specificity, adjustment for confounders, potential bias etc. Unfortunately, I can't offer a rebuttal without this information to hand.
     
    In terms of treatment, would you offer confinement to all psychopaths or just to those who have committed serious crimes? If the latter, what then would constitute a 'serious crime'?

    Please don't forget that there is no established treatment for both ASPD AND psychopathy. They have more in common than you think! Furthermore, by separating them, you will divide research funding and so we will never find out which treatments work or don't work.
     
    As you quite rightly stated, you are no expert on our Mental Health Act, which is evident from your comments regarding it.

    I agree, the US system is far from ideal, particularly the way in which normal behaviour is diagnosed and 'treated'.

    I recently read about the tragic case of a 4-year old American girl who died after taking an accidental overdose of her medication for bipolar disorder and ADHD! Unfortunately, I'm sure a 'faction' of your choosing would support this mode of diagnosis and treatment too.
     
    Finally, I think you managed to unwittingly demonstrate criterion (a) for 'dissocial personality disorder' i.e. 'callous unconcern for the feelings of others' with your comments on this forum in the past, and the one below :

    Fuck that-- if a person is truly a psychopath I don't give two fucks about them being stigmatized.


    But as per my earlier point, you wouldn't actually fulfil this criterion because your lack of concern is neither global nor is it of a sufficient degree. 

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  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #171 - April 13, 2009, 07:25 PM

    IsLame, if you're going to start insulting me I think it's time we terminated the conversation.

    fuck you
  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #172 - April 13, 2009, 08:04 PM

    i was being sarcastic - please feel free to continue..

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  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #173 - April 13, 2009, 08:19 PM

    i was being sarcastic - please feel free to continue..


    Nope. All set with that-- you seem to be taking it personally at this point, so I don't want to discuss the issue further. You seem like a cool guy so I don't want to continue a conversation with you that is headed towards ad-hominems-- I'm not pissed-off yet, but if you keep saying things like: "I would suggest though that you take a look at the diagnostic criteria for 'narcissistic personality disorder' instead!", I soon will be and I'll be responding with even nastier barbs, so let's put an end to it now, shall we?

    fuck you
  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #174 - April 13, 2009, 08:48 PM

    i was being sarcastic - please feel free to continue..


    Nope. All set with that-- you seem to be taking it personally at this point, so I don't want to discuss the issue further. You seem like a cool guy so I don't want to continue a conversation with you that is headed towards ad-hominems-- I'm not pissed-off yet, but if you keep saying things like: "I would suggest though that you take a look at the diagnostic criteria for 'narcissistic personality disorder' instead!", I soon will be and I'll be responding with even nastier barbs, so let's put an end to it now, shall we?

    I am not taking it personally, admittedly I was a little perturbed by somethings you have said in the past and in this thread so far. 

    Yes, I feel you show narcissistic traits and have shown here unconcern for others
    Fuck that-- if a person is truly a psychopath I don't give two fucks about them being stigmatized.

    but the next line went on to say :
    But as per my earlier point, you wouldn't actually fulfil this criterion because your lack of concern is neither global nor is it of a sufficient degree. 

    This also made a point about our discussion, which i think you missed and took it too personally instead.

    Like I said , continue, and if it makes you feel better throw in a few insults into the mix - it wont bother me..

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  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #175 - April 13, 2009, 09:35 PM


    Yes, I feel you show narcissistic traits


    See this EXACTLY what I was talking about upthread. Modern psychology in our society is making us think that every behavior can be reduced to mental disorder/illness and every personality reduced to diagnostic criteria in some stupid manual. You can't even stop yourself from psychoanalyzing me in the course of an ordinary discussion and slapping a diagnostic label on me. And if you don't think using a psychological assessment of the person you are debating with as a debate point is insulting, then may I suggest researching the diagnostic criteria for Headstuckupass disorder. I'll cop to doing it myself, but at least I don't try to pretend it's anything other than it is-- an insult.

    And yeah, I'm narcissistic. It's all about ME! The world revolves around ME! I'm D-Dawg! And what does that have to do with what we were discussing? Oh, right-- fucking nothing!

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    and have shown here unconcern for others


    Yeah I'm not concerned about what fate may befall a psychopath-- a person with very little empathy, zero sympathy and zero remorse. If someone who could kill their own mother for 20 bucks and not feel bad about it catches a bullet, hell yes I think they deserve it. I know such an attitude is often considered abhorrent or insensitive in our currently oversensitized, collectively neurotic, and thoroughly wussified modern society where everyone is a victim and we desire to separate ourselves from the dirty little realities of life. Well, what can I say? I guess I'm just not as fuckin civilized as you.

    Despite what you say, it's obvious you are taking offense to my position on psychopathy, for whatever reason, albeit in a "passive-aggressive" fashion (that's psychobabble for "being a jerk in a wussy way" as I'm sure you know-- see, I indeed can and do insult people through psych labels too!). If you want to continue the conversation that's fine, but not if you insist on bringing in ad hominem arguments. So far you have refused to admit you have done so, so I don't see the point in going on. That's it for me, have the last word if you like.

    fuck you
  • Re: Gunshots?
     Reply #176 - April 13, 2009, 10:30 PM

    in some stupid manual...
    Headstuckupass disorder...
    And yeah, I'm narcissistic. It's all about ME! ..
    Oh, right-- fucking nothing!..

    Nice, but you could have insulted me better than that?

    I guess I'm just not as fuckin civilized as you.

    You said that, not me.

    Now back to the debate?

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