Can you offer scientific evidence that a fetus at 12 weeks is a feeling entity? Please provide from a neutral, purely scientific source, and not an anti-abortion resource.
I have a book here let me quote:
"... On the basis of studies showing that movement takes place as early as six weeks after fertilization, coupled with other studies that have found some brain activity as early as the seventh week, it has been suggested that the foetus could be capable of feeling pain at this early stage of pregnancy..." - Practical ethics By Peter Singer (p 142) (Edition: 2, revised Published by Cambridge University Press, 1993 - ISBN 052143971X, 9780521439718)
Moreover this book goes into great detail on the subject, I am just too lazy to bother writing all the arguments out, it is a superb book dealing with ethics it is a must read for any apostate of Islam.
The methods of abortion that are safe and legal today are much more humane for the woman.
How has this turned into about the woman this is about the foetus we don't care if things are made more "humane" for women, it is the woman whom is being inhumane when she is justifying killing a feeling life form. The whole point is you can never justify murder by using fancy terms as "humane" murder is never humane, I am opposed to even the death penalty for the most ardent rapist, genocidal criminal.
Are we just to be brood mares, required to carry the seed of men whenever, wherever, no matter what we need or (gasp) want? I hope you are as harsh with men on the issue of birth control as you are being on women here.
Until men can give birth and make a concious decision on aborting a feeling life form, the issue of men is a mute point for me until then. Of course, I would be equally hard on them also if it was the case, it is not a male vs female mentality why do you think I would have such backward archaic beliefs? My empathy is formed out of the love of other living entities not out of the hate of the females.
By the by, not even the most extreme anti-abortion activists in the United States propose jail crime or criminal prosecution for women who have abortions or who would continue finding a way to have them if it were made illegal again. So congratulations for standing alone on that one.
Thank you for congratulating me, I also hope you can also join humanity too, so I can congratulate you too. In any case, once there is more empirical scientific evidence proving a foetus has conciousness and feels pain, I have no doubt it will be considered murder/killing of living concious entity, and will carry the same penalty as killing a child.
I don't know very much about you, Tut, other than you're from Saudi or somewhere in the Gulf and you used to have quite a few skirmishes with people here.
I am from the UK, I don't know about skirmishes maybe some slightly disagreements. Mainly due to me defending Islam, I am an atheist ex Muslim and I've stated a few times, that I don't really have a problem with much of Islamic teachings and also that apostates of Islam (mainly women) embellish the treatment they had under Islam, the opinion they express on Islam is seldom objective or free of biasses.
Have you ever carried a child yourself? Do you have intimate, first hand experience with a menstrual cycle?
Micky mouse logic, I have also not murder someone but I can tell you it is unethical to murder someone, no ones not have to experience someone to hold an opinion of it.
believe it or not, there are times when a woman doesn't even know she's pregnant until after 10 weeks,
BS, only of she is not using pregnancy tests, they even have damn digital pregnancy tests which read it out for you, there is no excuse for you not to notice until after 10 weeks.
Odd, isn't it Tut, how all of this falls on the woman as the sole actor, when the conception usually involves another player?
What does a man really have a say in weather or not a woman should have an abortion or not, generally it is based solely on her decision, the opinion of a man hardly carries in weight in the context of a woman's abortion.
I know anti-abortion activists - the kind who picket clinics and harass patients - and even none of them are as strident and hateful as you are being here, calling women who choose abortion 'retarded' and the rest of it.
No I don't recall, calling them retarded, the worst I said was "her broke ass" wow oh look at the big bad stupid paki who hates woman and wants to rape women how bad is he :roll:
A child out of the womb has legal rights that a fetus in the womb simply does not have.
Who gives a hell about an arbitrary law system, it was OK for to have sex with 9 years old in the 7th Arabia, just because it was not illegal it did not make it alright!
Again, and again, and again, you single out the woman.
Yes look at the big paki bully who singles out innocent women who are so defenceless, and fragile, this paki bully really needs to learn some respect!
The reality is that there are a lot of men in the West who will not and do not provide adequate financial support for the children they help to conceive. Women are left holding the bag, time and time again. I'm just wondering where the disdain and fire and hatefulness is for the men who impregnate women with children they neither planned for nor wanted. Where is your anger with regards to how easy and common it is for a man to simply walk away from that situation?
Until the man says "abortion OK" and goes through with it, I will have the same fire in addressing them too, I am a person who had actively been a veterinarian for almost 3 years, just out of empathy out of animals, we are them! Imagine an alien spy looking at the humans on earth and looking for a reason to just eat and conquer humans, our planet would make a blood good candidate, as we justify the killing and eating of things which are not as superior to us, imagine a superior race of aliens doing the same to us, them saying: "Fuck it they have small brains lets just eat them" imagine that!
Topic: Abortion is unethical