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  • I think Im on to something...lol
     OP - April 10, 2009, 11:54 AM
    From time to time I have argued with Muslims (even back when I was a little/lot more into it) about having proof that Islam is in fact a bonafide religion from God...most of what is used as proof is based on the ..."cause God said so"...basis.

    Recently I was talking with some Muslim ladies I know...and one of them is quite a bit more extreme then the rest and she has way more knowledge as well...and she happened to mention that there is a hadith (I believe) that says something along the lines of ....prophets bodies do not decay. God does not allow their bodies to rot and turn to dust etc....for whatever reason.

    So theoretically we could go to all the graves of deceased prophets and dig them up and they would look as good as they did when they were alive...no matter how long they been in the ground....so immediately I thought of a way to prove whether Islam is correct or not (other religions can use this proof system as well)...

    Lets go dig up Prophet Mohammeds grave!!!  Afro we know exactly wheres he's buried...so whats the problem? It would be proof beyond an unreasonable doubt that he was a prophet and Islam is a religion from God and we all just need to shut up and suck it up.  lipsrsealed

    Anybody with me?  yes

    I know Muslims will go into fits of rage (as always) proclaiming blasphemy etc...but hey...its a small price to pay just for the ultimate prize of pointing as all the kafirs and Islam haters in the world and say...nah nah nah...told ya soooo  dance

    So?  grin12
  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #1 - April 10, 2009, 12:34 PM
     Cheesy That's brilliant!

    Do you know what hadith it is and the source?
  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #2 - April 10, 2009, 02:14 PM
    Quote from: coolred38 on April 10, 2009, 11:54 AM
    From time to time I have argued with Muslims (even back when I was a little/lot more into it) about having proof that Islam is in fact a bonafide religion from God...most of what is used as proof is based on the ..."cause God said so"...basis.

    Recently I was talking with some Muslim ladies I know...and one of them is quite a bit more extreme then the rest and she has way more knowledge as well...and she happened to mention that there is a hadith (I believe) that says something along the lines of ....prophets bodies do not decay. God does not allow their bodies to rot and turn to dust etc....for whatever reason.

    So theoretically we could go to all the graves of deceased prophets and dig them up and they would look as good as they did when they were alive...no matter how long they been in the ground....so immediately I thought of a way to prove whether Islam is correct or not (other religions can use this proof system as well)...

    Lets go dig up Prophet Mohammeds grave!!!  Afro we know exactly wheres he's buried...so whats the problem? It would be proof beyond an unreasonable doubt that he was a prophet and Islam is a religion from God and we all just need to shut up and suck it up.  lipsrsealed

    Anybody with me?  yes

    I know Muslims will go into fits of rage (as always) proclaiming blasphemy etc...but hey...its a small price to pay just for the ultimate prize of pointing as all the kafirs and Islam haters in the world and say...nah nah nah...told ya soooo  dance

    So?  grin12


    That would be brilliant except for one problem. Most Muslims do not believe that.
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  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #3 - April 10, 2009, 03:15 PM
    Yes, I certainly never did when I followed Islam. In fact I didn't believe a lot of the crap that muslims did. In hindsight, it's not really surprising I left Islam.
    "At 8:47 I do a grenade jump off a ladder."
  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #4 - April 11, 2009, 01:53 PM
    Not alot of them believe that?  Huh? Ive asked 11 Muslims this past week about it...just cause Im  curious...and all of them said it was true...according to what I dont know...I havent yet searched for the hadith etc...but it must come from somewhere....off to look.
  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #5 - April 11, 2009, 02:30 PM
    Quote from: coolred38 on April 11, 2009, 01:53 PM
    Not alot of them believe that?  Huh? Ive asked 11 Muslims this past week about it...just cause Im  curious...and all of them said it was true...according to what I dont know...I havent yet searched for the hadith etc...but it must come from somewhere....off to look.


    I was coming at it from the salafi angle! We used to take the piss out of the Barehlvis for believing that the prophets are alive in their graves. I don't know about their bodies being intact though.
    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

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  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #6 - April 11, 2009, 02:31 PM
    I was never a salafi and none of us in my family believed that. Nor did anyone I spoke to at our local mosque (though I didn't exactly bring up that topic a lot).
    "At 8:47 I do a grenade jump off a ladder."
  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #7 - April 11, 2009, 10:55 PM
    Quote from: coolred38 on April 10, 2009, 11:54 AM
    So theoretically we could go to all the graves of deceased prophets and dig them up and they would look as good as they did when they were alive...no matter how long they been in the ground....so immediately I thought of a way to prove whether Islam is correct or not (other religions can use this proof system as well)...

    I spoke to my mum about your question today, and she says she has heard this too.  The good news is we dont have to do anything as sacracent as digging up dead Mo.  She reckons its also true for all martyrs of Islam!
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  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #8 - April 11, 2009, 10:59 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 11, 2009, 10:55 PM
    Quote from: coolred38 on April 10, 2009, 11:54 AM
    So theoretically we could go to all the graves of deceased prophets and dig them up and they would look as good as they did when they were alive...no matter how long they been in the ground....so immediately I thought of a way to prove whether Islam is correct or not (other religions can use this proof system as well)...

    I spoke to my mum about your question today, and she says she has heard this too.  The good news is we dont have to do anything as sacracent as digging up dead Mo.  She reckons its also true for all martyrs of Islam!


    Is your mum a barehlvi?
    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #9 - April 11, 2009, 11:00 PM
    Deobandi
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  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #10 - April 11, 2009, 11:02 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 11, 2009, 11:00 PM
    Deobandi


    That's surprising. I didn't think Deobandis believed in that.
    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

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  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #11 - April 12, 2009, 06:47 AM
    I've heard this, hadith somewhere. I thought about doing that before (takin' a peek at Mo Smiley)
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #12 - April 12, 2009, 06:54 AM
    Hmmm good idea
    except of course if anyone ever managed to do it and the body came out looking pretty regularly decayed you know what any good Muslim would say...

    Allah has changed the body to punish us for daring to question his word yes Proves you wrong nonbelievers!!!  finmad

    ... or something along those lines.
    You just can't win, methinks.  Roll Eyes
    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #13 - April 12, 2009, 06:55 AM
    Or reclassify the hadith as da'eef, or forged Roll Eyes
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #14 - April 12, 2009, 07:00 AM
    Quote from: awais on April 12, 2009, 06:55 AM
    Or reclassify the hadith as da'eef, or forged Roll Eyes


    Of course! Why didn't I think of that. You must have been a better Muslim than I  Afro
    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #15 - April 12, 2009, 07:03 AM
    mashallah Wink
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  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #16 - April 12, 2009, 07:44 AM
    Quote from: awais on April 12, 2009, 06:55 AM
    Or reclassify the hadith as da'eef, or forged Roll Eyes

     Cheesy

    Or say that its a zionist conspiracy, and someone switched the body for a skeleton
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  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #17 - April 12, 2009, 07:53 AM
    ZOMG! Somebody stole Mo! Grin

    Damn them pesky Joos.
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  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #18 - April 12, 2009, 08:11 AM
    I heard a story that the Jews tried to dig a tunnel under Muhammad's grave and steal his body.  "We're the only religion that has the body of it's prophet!" Roll Eyes

    Baha'ullah and Joseph Smith don't count Grin
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #19 - April 13, 2009, 06:11 PM
    Quote from: aliadiere on April 10, 2009, 02:14 PM
    Quote from: coolred38 on April 10, 2009, 11:54 AM
    From time to time I have argued with Muslims (even back when I was a little/lot more into it) about having proof that Islam is in fact a bonafide religion from God...most of what is used as proof is based on the ..."cause God said so"...basis.

    Recently I was talking with some Muslim ladies I know...and one of them is quite a bit more extreme then the rest and she has way more knowledge as well...and she happened to mention that there is a hadith (I believe) that says something along the lines of ....prophets bodies do not decay. God does not allow their bodies to rot and turn to dust etc....for whatever reason.

    So theoretically we could go to all the graves of deceased prophets and dig them up and they would look as good as they did when they were alive...no matter how long they been in the ground....so immediately I thought of a way to prove whether Islam is correct or not (other religions can use this proof system as well)...

    Lets go dig up Prophet Mohammeds grave!!!  Afro we know exactly wheres he's buried...so whats the problem? It would be proof beyond an unreasonable doubt that he was a prophet and Islam is a religion from God and we all just need to shut up and suck it up.  lipsrsealed

    Anybody with me?  yes

    I know Muslims will go into fits of rage (as always) proclaiming blasphemy etc...but hey...its a small price to pay just for the ultimate prize of pointing as all the kafirs and Islam haters in the world and say...nah nah nah...told ya soooo  dance

    So?  grin12


    That would be brilliant except for one problem. Most Muslims do not believe that.


    This is what I was taught and what everyone around me believed, most definitely.  I was Sunni, 'traditional' type.  There is a hadith narrated in Abi Dawood and other collections that the prophet (LMAO) said that Big Al has forbidden the earth from consuming the bodies of the prophets.  In addition, they teach that the prophets are alive in their grave and praying, also from the hadiths. 
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  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #20 - April 13, 2009, 06:15 PM
    Quote from: aliadiere on April 11, 2009, 02:30 PM
    Quote from: coolred38 on April 11, 2009, 01:53 PM
    Not alot of them believe that?  Huh? Ive asked 11 Muslims this past week about it...just cause Im  curious...and all of them said it was true...according to what I dont know...I havent yet searched for the hadith etc...but it must come from somewhere....off to look.


    I was coming at it from the salafi angle! We used to take the piss out of the Barehlvis for believing that the prophets are alive in their graves. I don't know about their bodies being intact though.

     
    The Mo man said: 'Big Al has forbidden the earth from consuming the bodies of profits.' Ahmad, Ibn Abi Shaybah, Abu Dawud, Nasai, Ibn Majah, Darimi, Ibn Khuzaymah, Mustadrak, Ibn Hibban, Tabarani, Bayhaqi)

    This is an example of the 'alive in their graves' thing, although reading it I can see where some might understand it to  mean something else. Also, from my Salafee days I remember that a lot of people simply did not accept other than Bukhari and Muslim, except when convenient - like the hadith they quote about hijab being from Abi Dawood, when any other time you get 'Abi Dawood has many errors, and is that hadith in Bukhari?'

    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=3&ID=4597&CATE=348
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  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #21 - April 13, 2009, 06:18 PM
    Quote from: awais on April 12, 2009, 08:11 AM
    I heard a story that the Jews tried to dig a tunnel under Muhammad's grave and steal his body.  "We're the only religion that has the body of it's prophet!" Roll Eyes

    Baha'ullah and Joseph Smith don't count Grin


    I have had this story narrated to me from a medieval history, but they were Christians from North Africa. I wish I could remember the history book it was from, but I don't.  It did involve Nuradeen Zenki riding like hell through the Levant to Madinah after the plot was revealed to him in a dream by Big Al, saving the profit's (LMAO) holy body and ordering a sort of moat or channel to be dug around the masjid underground, to add an extra layer of security and prevent grave robbers from getting through.
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  • Re: I think Im on to something...lol
     Reply #22 - May 01, 2009, 01:28 PM
    Look what I found:

    Incorruptibility:

    Quote
    Incorruptibility is the Catholic and Orthodox Christian belief that supernatural intervention allows some human bodies to not undergo the normal process of decomposition after death. Bodies that reportedly undergo little or no decomposition are sometimes referred to as incorrupt or incorruptible (adjective) or as an incorruptible (noun).

    Incorruptibility is seen as distinct from the good preservation of a body, or mummification. Incorruptible bodies are often said to have the Odour of Sanctity, exuding a sweet and pleasant aroma.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
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