I dont agree with you,that the Quran speak of death to apostasy.
10:99:"And had your Lord willed,those on earth would have believed,all of them togheter.So will you Mohammed,then compel mankind,unntil they belive?"
18:29:"And say:The truth is from your Lord.Then whosoever wills,let him belive,and whosoever wills let him disbelive"
27:92:"And that I should recite Quran,then whosoever recives guidence,recives it for the good of his ownself,and whosoever goes astray,say to him:I am only one of the warners"
10:108:"Say:Oh you mankind,now truth has come to you from your Lord.So whosoever receives guidence,he does so for the good of his own self,and whosoever goes astray,he does so to his own loss,and I am not set as a Wakil(disposer of affairs to oblige you for guidence)"
I do not oppose that some muslims,belive that apostasy should be punished with death
,but I do not belive that was what God asked for.
I think there is more evidence in the Quran,on a peacfull coexistance,with people of all kinds and colours,than evidence that God wish dead unto people of another belife than muslims.That we can be muslims and live togheter with everybody.
And that hadith islam,has to be overcomed,and put to death,if you understand me Rashna.
Well, we have gone through this whole thing before haven't we marleya, & probably we must learn to disagree.
Even if we forget the entire Quranic history wherein apostates were routinely executed & the teachings of the four Islamic Schools, all of which have prescribed death for male apostates & life imprisonment\death for women-in the Quran itself there is the doctrine of abrogation-where peaceful verses have been abrogated, we've dealt with that in an entire thread, you may re read that thread.
http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=4817.0From the Quran itself we learn that Surah IX.5 prescribes that idolators convert to Islam or be killed, this is the later verses, comes after the peaceful verses & thus are according to the Quran more important. This is exactly what Prophet Muhammad did in the Quran, he smashed all the idolators' idols & converted them to Islam, through force.
As for Jews & Christians, they are allowed to be, but only if they pay jizya taxes, which Muslims don't have to.
I think there is more evidence in the Quran,on a peacfull coexistance,with people of all kinds and colours,than evidence that God wish dead unto people of another belife than muslims.That we can be muslims and live togheter with everybody.
Pre Islamic Mecca, before the Quran was revealed, was indeed a place of great religious tolerance, judging even from Islamic Sources. There were the Arab pagans, there were jews & there were converts to Christianity, who all lived in harmony.
Pagans like Waraqa ibn Nawfal & Ubaydallah ibn Jahsh could freely convert to Christianity without any pagan persecution, the area around the kaaba housed 360 idols of the pagans, Jews could intermarry with pagans, Kaab ibn al Ashraf's mom was a Jew, dad was Muslim, & according to Jewish halacha, anyone whose mum was a Jew would be a Jew, so Kaab was raised a Jew.
After Islam arrived, all this changed in Saudi which was cleansed of all faiths but islam, & its still that way in Saudi.
The peaceful verses, according to the Quran itself have been abrogated, & we see forced conversion in the case of the Meccan pagans, in the Quran itself, when Muhammad smashed their statues declaring,
"Truth has come & falsehood vanished, verily falsehood is ever vanishing." Quran, Chapter 17: Al-Isra (The Journey by Night), verse 81 as he smashed.If someone smashed the kaaba & mosques today, reciting, "Truth has come" then let Muslims come out of their homes & convert them to another faith, won't that be forced conversion?
The Quran contains some peaceful & later some violent verses, peaceful verses come earlier, violent ones come later & the Quran contains the doctrine of abrogation, thus abrogating the peaceful ones & giving precedence to the violent ones. We also see from Muhammad's conduct in Mecca, that he forcibly converted the pagans to Islam.
I really like tolerant Muslims like you marleya, its just that I feel that Islamic tolerance will have a difficult time being widely acceptable, if its not grounded in authentic Scriptures & built on nothing.
Topic: Time for Muslims to stop reading the Qur'an