But Judaism still has some advantages & redeeming features in their texts & history in "reforming & remaining" which Islam sadly lacks...
I disagree (that Islam lacks anything of redeeming value)
Did I say that Islam lacks
anything of redeeming value?All I said was that it lacks
certain additional things of redeeming value that Judaism possesses!
For one, Judaism doesn't have a single founder whom they have to regard as the paragon of virtue...
Moshe Rabeinu (Moses, our Teacher/Rabbi), the highest authority after YHWH?
Well, even Moses isn't their religion's founder out of nothing, Abraham is the founder perhaps, Muhammad built the faith of Islam out of scratch. Even with Moses, he didn't criticise & attack all "unbelievers", there isn't an open ended command given by him to attack, convert or subjugate & tax all unbelievers worldwide.
Islam in addition to Allah(who's as bad as Yahweh) also has Muhammad's poor example to deal with-Muslims have to accept both Allah & Muhammad in their Shahada, so the additional burden for Muslims is dealing with Muhamad's supposed perfection & actual imperfections.Ever heard of the Khazars? Turkish tribe that converted to Judaism. Minted on their coins "La ilaha IllAllah, Musa Rasool Allah"
Sure, heard of them, but what does some stray converts prove? Judaism has historically not been a widespread proselytizing faith, there's no dawa & no missionary work amongst Jews, & conversion while allowed isn't very encouraged for everyone either & its been pretty rare historically for Jews to convert others.
the division of the world into "Dar ul Islam" & "Dar ul Harb".
Well there is the division between 'Eretz Yisrael' and 'Galut' (the land of Israel and exhile)...
Well, & I suppose that the land of exile has to be converted, killed & suppressed into becoming the land of Israel, eh awais?
Thats' how it is in Islam, jihad continues till the
whole world becomes Muslim or pays jizya.
Last but not the least, perhaps the most important, is the fact that while the Jews have historically been an
oppressed people, Muslims have been the
oppressing people.
There might be a bit of local violence instructed by YHWH..
I know you say 'historically' and 'local', but I gotta say 'Palestine' (don't want to argue on this, I'm just sayin..)
Again, since you brought up Palestine, I say Pakistan, created around the same time!
Much bigger, more deaths & dislocations!
And I say Southern Thailand, Southern Philippines, Sudan & verious other parts of the world, apart from global terrorist attacks to resusciate the Caliphate!
Just compare the two in range & scale, let alone historical atrocities!
Islam has different problems and history, but I still don't see how one can label themselves as "Believer" after rejecting so much, you get me now?
Yep I get you, & I'm not an admirer of Jewish Scriptures, but the Jewish history-millennia of oppression & the Holocaust & their ability to survive inspite of it all are perhaps why many atheist\agnostics stick with it.
Muslims, have a very different history, largely imperialistic & violent. The Jewish texts haven't led Jews to be violent for millennia, & had the palestinian Muslims been like the Pakistani non Muslims, the Palestinian problem would be long dead.
Muslims will have to atone for past mistakes like the Church apologised to Jews, but while Christians can comfort themselves that they were going against Jesus deeds & his example, Muslims will also have to recognize that they were applying Muhammad's example.
Topic: Time for Muslims to stop reading the Qur'an