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  • Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     OP - April 15, 2009, 06:05 AM

    I was checking out some persian prophet who is very similar to Muhammad. He claimed to be the paraclete AND the SEAL OF THE PROPHETS. Hmmm. check it out.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mani_(prophet)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manichaeism

    Discuss!

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #1 - April 15, 2009, 06:34 AM

    I was checking out some persian prophet who is very similar to Muhammad. He claimed to be the paraclete AND the SEAL OF THE PROPHETS. Hmmm. check it out.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mani_(prophet)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manichaeism

    Discuss!


    Well, this guy is another Prophet & includes Abraham & Jesus-which would make him a Prophet in the Abrahamic tradition but then he includes Zarathrushtra & Buddha too, which does set him a bit apart. He was a more educated man than Mo, he seems to know more faiths & more of the world than Muhammad did.

    His only similarity to Muhammad lies in the Seal of the Prophets claim.

    Otherwise Muhammad is unique in world history as the founder of a faith which forced people to convert or die, & convert or pay taxes.

    Jesus, Buddha,  even this Mani guy never did that!

    Muhammad picked up his theology from his Jewish & Christian contacts-despised idolatry, made a new faith & insisted all in Saudi adopt it, for the idolators there was no alternative & Jews would have to pay taxes.

    Both groups refused his unreasonable demands, for which Muhammad killed off an entire tribe of Jews, & converted the idolators to Islam after smashing their idols & threatening to kill them if they came out to protect their idols.

    The other aspects of his life also have sordid elements-which Mani or Buddha or Jesus' lives don't.

    Its a tremendous injustice that Muhammad's cult continues till the present day, while good people like Mani's faiths died out.   finmad

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #2 - April 15, 2009, 06:36 AM

    I was checking out some persian prophet who is very similar to Muhammad. He claimed to be the paraclete AND the SEAL OF THE PROPHETS. Hmmm. check it out.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mani_(prophet)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manichaeism

    Discuss!


    Well, this guy is another Prophet & includes Abraham & Jesus-which would make him a Prophet in the Abrahamic tradition but then he includes Zarathrushtra & Buddha too, which does set him a bit apart. He was a more educated man than Mo, he seems to know more faiths & more of the world than Muhammad did.

    His only similarity to Muhammad lies in the Seal of the Prophets claim.

    Otherwise Muhammad is unique in world history as the founder of a faith which forced people to convert or die, & convert or pay taxes.

    Jesus, Buddha,  even this Mani guy never did that!

    Muhammad picked up his theology from his Jewish & Christian contacts-despised idolatry, made a new faith & insisted all in Saudi adopt it, for the idolators there was no alternative & Jews would have to pay taxes.

    Both groups refused his unreasonable demands, for which Muhammad killed off an entire tribe of Jews, & converted the idolators to Islam after smashing their idols & threatening to kill them if they came out to protect their idols.

    The other aspects of his life also have sordid elements-which Mani or Buddha or Jesus' lives don't.

    Its a tremendous injustice that Muhammad's cult continues till the present day, while good people like Mani's faiths died out.  :'(
     


    True good point. I agree with you that the Qur'an is an invention from Muhammad, but I always asked myself how can I be 100% sure that Muhammad was a fraud. When I was researching about Muhammad, there were reports that he would pray for up to 4-5 hours at one time by himself. It makes me wonder.

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #3 - April 15, 2009, 06:46 AM

    True good point. I agree with you that the Qur'an is an invention from Muhammad, but I always asked myself how can I be 100% sure that Muhammad was a fraud. When I was researching about Muhammad, there were reports that he would pray for up to 4-5 hours at one time by himself. It makes me wonder.


    What do you make of these verses Cool Canadian?  Wink

    Allah is not just the maker of the entire Quran, He also orders some stuff just for Mohammed's convenience. Like the following verses:

    Allah tells Mo's followers to be circumspect in barging into his house, eat & leave immediately without seeking gossip, because such stuff annoy Mo, but Mo is "shy" in saying so, but Allah isn't shy to tell this! Tongue

    Quran 033.053

    YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses,- until leave is given you,- for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation: but when ye are invited, enter; and when ye have taken your meal, disperse, without seeking familiar talk. Such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet: he is ashamed to dismiss you, but Allah is not ashamed (to tell you) the truth. And when ye ask (his ladies) for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs. Nor is it right for you that ye should annoy Allah's Messenger, or that ye should marry his widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in Allah's sight an enormity.
    PICKTHAL: O Ye who believe! Enter not the dwellings of the Prophet for a meal without waiting for the proper time, unless permission be granted you. But if ye are invited, enter, and, when your meal is ended, then disperse. Linger not for conversation. Lo! that would cause annoyance to the Prophet, and he would be shy of (asking) you (to go); but Allah is not shy of the truth. And when ye ask of them (the wives of the Prophet) anything, ask it of them from behind a curtain. That is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not for you to cause annoyance to the messenger of Allah, nor that ye should ever marry his wives after him. Lo! that in Allah's sight would be an enormity.
    SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not enter the houses of the Prophet unless permission is given to you for a meal, not waiting for its cooking being finished-- but when you are invited, enter, and when you have taken the food, then disperse-- not seeking to listen to talk; surely this gives the Prophet trouble, but he forbears from you, and Allah does not forbear from the truth And when you ask of them any goods, ask of them from behind a curtain; this is purer for your hearts and (for) their hearts; and it does not behove you that you should give trouble to the Messenger of Allah, nor that you should marry his wives after him ever; surely this is grievous in the sight of Allah.

    When Almighty Allah is concerned about the length of time guests spend at Mohammed's house or insists they refrain from barging in coz it annoys Mo, He seems less and less like Almighty God, and more and more like Alter Ego What say? Roll Eyes

    As for praying 4-5 hours, I study 8-10 hours before my exams, even study subjects like geography which I dislike for 12 hours at a stretch!  Tongue

    People do loads of stuff for fame & fortune, Alexander the Great tried to conquer the world, why wouldn't someone whose ambition was being a Prophet of a global faith & remaining the perfect man for people all over the Earth pretend to pray for a few hours?  Huh?

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #4 - April 15, 2009, 06:53 AM

    True good point. I agree with you that the Qur'an is an invention from Muhammad, but I always asked myself how can I be 100% sure that Muhammad was a fraud. When I was researching about Muhammad, there were reports that he would pray for up to 4-5 hours at one time by himself. It makes me wonder.


    What do you make of these verses Cool Canadian?  Wink

    Allah is not just the maker of the entire Quran, He also orders some stuff just for Mohammed's convenience. Like the following verses:


    Quran 033.053

    YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses,- until leave is given you,- for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation: but when ye are invited, enter; and when ye have taken your meal, disperse, without seeking familiar talk. Such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet: he is ashamed to dismiss you, but Allah is not ashamed (to tell you) the truth. And when ye ask (his ladies) for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs. Nor is it right for you that ye should annoy Allah's Messenger, or that ye should marry his widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in Allah's sight an enormity.
    PICKTHAL: O Ye who believe! Enter not the dwellings of the Prophet for a meal without waiting for the proper time, unless permission be granted you. But if ye are invited, enter, and, when your meal is ended, then disperse. Linger not for conversation. Lo! that would cause annoyance to the Prophet, and he would be shy of (asking) you (to go); but Allah is not shy of the truth. And when ye ask of them (the wives of the Prophet) anything, ask it of them from behind a curtain. That is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not for you to cause annoyance to the messenger of Allah, nor that ye should ever marry his wives after him. Lo! that in Allah's sight would be an enormity.
    SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not enter the houses of the Prophet unless permission is given to you for a meal, not waiting for its cooking being finished-- but when you are invited, enter, and when you have taken the food, then disperse-- not seeking to listen to talk; surely this gives the Prophet trouble, but he forbears from you, and Allah does not forbear from the truth And when you ask of them any goods, ask of them from behind a curtain; this is purer for your hearts and (for) their hearts; and it does not behove you that you should give trouble to the Messenger of Allah, nor that you should marry his wives after him ever; surely this is grievous in the sight of Allah.

    When Almighty Allah is concerned about the length of time guests spend at Mohammed's house or insists they refrain from barging in coz it annoys Mo, He seems less and less like Almighty God, and more and more like Alter Ego What say? Roll Eyes

    As for praying 4-5 hours, I study 8-10 hours before my exams, even study subjects like geography which I dislike for 12 hours at a stretch!  Tongue

    People do loads of stuff for fame & fortune, Alexander the Great tried to conquer the world, why wouldn't someone whose ambition was being a Prophet of a global faith & remaining the perfect man for people all over the Earth pretend to pray for a few hours?  Huh?



    lol, yea I guess so. Like I agree with you completely, there is always that small "what if" in the back of my mind.

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #5 - April 15, 2009, 07:00 AM

    lol, yea I guess so. Like I agree with you completely, there is always that small "what if" in the back of my mind.


    Its there in my mind as well, but Mo is such an unsavoury character, that even if I give him the benefit of doubt that he indeed considered himself a Prophet, I simply can't respect him, although I do repsect Buddha & Jesus, but I'm not a follower of either faith.  Tongue

    Maybe thats' Muslims avoid scrutinizing their faith, because they know that they'll come across too much unpleasant stuff about its founder if they dug deep, cultural Christians or ex Christians don't come away hating Jesus, but for Muslims who're good people & have critically looked at Mo's actions, it'd be very difficult for them to have much respect left for him.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #6 - April 15, 2009, 07:30 AM

    but I always asked myself how can I be 100% sure that Muhammad was a fraud. When I was researching about Muhammad, there were reports that he would pray for up to 4-5 hours at one time by himself. It makes me wonder.


    Well, you are never going to be sure that Mohammed was a fraud until you reach your moemnt of death, at that moemnet you should know if what he brought in was nothing but BS, or it was indeed the truth

    Your problem though, that it will certaiinly late to amend if what Mohammed brough in was the truth, and in that case you need to get ready for the showtime in hell

    a believer in Mohammed does not need to worry about that because if Mohammed was a fraud and Jesus was the man, then Jesus died for their sins of Kufr, hahahaha

    This is called Pascal Wager which has to hunt you till you die
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #7 - April 15, 2009, 08:55 AM

    a believer in Mohammed does not need to worry about that because if Mohammed was a fraud and Jesus was the man, then Jesus died for their sins of Kufr, hahahaha

    This is called Pascal Wager which has to hunt you till you die

    Besides the obvious False Dilemma fallacy, basically all denominations of Christianity do not teach that ANYONE will be saved regardless.

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #8 - April 15, 2009, 09:21 AM

    True good point. I agree with you that the Qur'an is an invention from Muhammad, but I always asked myself how can I be 100% sure that Muhammad was a fraud. When I was researching about Muhammad, there were reports that he would pray for up to 4-5 hours at one time by himself. It makes me wonder.

    There's a strong possibility that Mo probably did believe he was a real prophet. But it doesn't justify what he did (nor does it mean he actually was a prophet, probably just a looney). Pascal's Wager is a sham, as a theist you have to pick the right religion otherwise you are still doomed to hell. Also if Islam was the correct religion would you feel ok worshipping a malicious dictator? It doesn't bother me if Islam is correct or not any more, I hate god and his sick version of paradise. He is not worthy of worship; he is only worthy of my contempt. He has hurt and killed far too many people to be worthy of the description - 'benevolent'. If any one deserves hell, it is him.
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #9 - April 15, 2009, 10:14 AM

    When I was researching about Muhammad, there were reports that he would pray for up to 4-5 hours at one time by himself. It makes me wonder.

    There are many people who do that in this day and age and we dont jump to the conclusion that there are God's prophet:

    Could be anyone of the following possibilities - take  your pick: 

    He thought he was a psychic, and could talk to God
    Elaborate pretence while he was planning global domination
    Meditation
    He had a mental disorder

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  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #10 - April 15, 2009, 11:32 AM

    Quote from: AhmedBahgat
    Well, you are never going to be sure that Mohammed was a fraud until you reach your moemnt of death, at that moemnet you should know if what he brought in was nothing but BS, or it was indeed the truth


    If there is one error in quran it indicates that what all he brought was bullshit. How can you still say that we dont know whether he brought BS or not?

    Quote from: AhmedBahgat
    Your problem though, that it will certaiinly late to amend if what Mohammed brough in was the truth, and in that case you need to get ready for the showtime in hell.a believer in Mohammed does not need to worry about that because if Mohammed was a fraud and Jesus was the man, then Jesus died for their sins of Kufr, hahahaha
    This is called Pascal Wager which has to hunt you till you die


    Game of dice is played by fools. When we are 100 % sure that Muhhamad is not the prophet then there is no need to worry about hell and all.

    Well then Even I claim to be a prophet now. Please leave islam and believe me and if you dont you will go to hell.  I guess this should bother you till your death.What should be done in that case?

    Should we go on believing in any TOm ,Dick and Harry who claims himself to be a prophet just in case his claims might come true and we would be punished? see how faulty is your logic.

    The point is you need to apply a filter to distinguish between right and wrong.
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #11 - April 15, 2009, 12:06 PM

    but I always asked myself how can I be 100% sure that Muhammad was a fraud. When I was researching about Muhammad, there were reports that he would pray for up to 4-5 hours at one time by himself. It makes me wonder.


    Well, you are never going to be sure that Mohammed was a fraud until you reach your moemnt of death, at that moemnet you should know if what he brought in was nothing but BS, or it was indeed the truth

    Your problem though, that it will certaiinly late to amend if what Mohammed brough in was the truth, and in that case you need to get ready for the showtime in hell

    a believer in Mohammed does not need to worry about that because if Mohammed was a fraud and Jesus was the man, then Jesus died for their sins of Kufr, hahahaha

    This is called Pascal Wager which has to hunt you till you die


    Your version of Pascal Wager has a more than obvious flaw, it only has Chritianity & Islam as the Heaven/Hell determinants!  Not to mention that those religions have this idea of heaven & hell. 

    Hence the only wager you are applying to your life is one that has its roots based on circular logic  Cheesy

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  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #12 - April 15, 2009, 12:20 PM

    It has another obvious flaw.....

    Quote
    a believer in Mohammed does not need to worry about that because if Mohammed was a fraud and Jesus was the man, then Jesus died for their sins of Kufr, hahahaha


    No.  Jesus died to remove original sin, his death does nothing to protect you from the sins of heresy, following a false prophet, denying Christ's resurrection and divinity, and a few other things.  If Jesus is the man then a believer in Mohammed needs to worry, assuming said believer is cowardly enough to be afraid of hell.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #13 - April 15, 2009, 09:11 PM

    It has another obvious flaw.....

    Quote
    a believer in Mohammed does not need to worry about that because if Mohammed was a fraud and Jesus was the man, then Jesus died for their sins of Kufr, hahahaha


    No.  Jesus died to remove original sin, his death does nothing to protect you from the sins of heresy, following a false prophet, denying Christ's resurrection and divinity, and a few other things.  If Jesus is the man then a believer in Mohammed needs to worry, assuming said believer is cowardly enough to be afraid of hell.



    so you believe that he died to remove the first sin?

    can you prove your crap using the Bible?
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #14 - April 15, 2009, 09:14 PM

    Quote
    so you believe that he died to remove the first sin?


    Of course not, I grew out of childish fairy tales years ago.  I was just correcting your miscomprehension of what Christians believe.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #15 - April 15, 2009, 09:16 PM

    Quote
    so you believe that he died to remove the first sin?


    Of course not, I grew out of childish fairy tales years ago.  I was just correcting your miscomprehension of what Christians believe.



    Hmmm, so do you believe that a man named Jesus (son of Mary) ever existed?

    and how many christians listened to you after you tried to fix their flaws?
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #16 - April 15, 2009, 09:20 PM

    Even better:

    Most of Christianity believe that Jesus died to save from the Original Sin only those who accept to be saved from the Original Sin.

    So, basically, according to Christianity if you do not accept Jesus as your savior, you are guaranteed to go to Hell.
    But accepting him as your savior does not guarantee Heaven (it mainly depends on what denomination of Christianity you are and/or what you did in life).

    So your version of the Pascal Wager is super flawed ^_^

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #17 - April 15, 2009, 09:22 PM

    Quote
    so you believe that he died to remove the first sin?


    Of course not, I grew out of childish fairy tales years ago.  I was just correcting your miscomprehension of what Christians believe.



    Hmmm, so do you believe that a man named Jesus (son of Mary) ever existed?

    and how many christians listened to you after you tried to fix their flaws?


    Ahmed, I'm not a Christian, I'm an atheist.  And it wasn't Christian flaws I was trying to fix, but your flawed understanding of Christianity, as expressed here...

    Quote
    a believer in Mohammed does not need to worry about that because if Mohammed was a fraud and Jesus was the man, then Jesus died for their sins of Kufr, hahahaha


    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #18 - April 15, 2009, 09:35 PM

    Even better:

    Most of Christianity believe that Jesus died to save from the Original Sin only those who accept to be saved from the Original Sin.

    So, basically, according to Christianity if you do not accept Jesus as your savior, you are guaranteed to go to Hell.
    But accepting him as your savior does not guarantee Heaven (it mainly depends on what denomination of Christianity you are and/or what you did in life).

    So your version of the Pascal Wager is super flawed ^_^



    Hold on a sec pal

    firstly you need to prove that Jesus died for the original sin, from the Bible
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #19 - April 15, 2009, 09:39 PM

    He doesn't have to prove anything. He's just saying what the Christians believe.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #20 - April 15, 2009, 09:40 PM

    Quote
    so you believe that he died to remove the first sin?


    Of course not, I grew out of childish fairy tales years ago.  I was just correcting your miscomprehension of what Christians believe.



    Hmmm, so do you believe that a man named Jesus (son of Mary) ever existed?

    and how many christians listened to you after you tried to fix their flaws?


    Ahmed, I'm not a Christian, I'm an atheist.  And it wasn't Christian flaws I was trying to fix, but your flawed understanding of Christianity, as expressed here...


    What is my flawed understanding about Jesus?, I was only trying to corner you

    if you read my first reply again, you should read that I said: IF JESUS WAS THE MAN, which clearly contradicts the flawed christian belief that he was a god or a son of a god

    Jesus was prophet of Islam according to the Bible and the Quran

    therefore If I believe in Mohammed then it means that i believe of all prophets of Islam which meean I believe in all prophets



    Quote
    a believer in Mohammed does not need to worry about that because if Mohammed was a fraud and Jesus was the man, then Jesus died for their sins of Kufr, hahahaha




    See what I said, Jesus was te MAN, on the other hand Jesus never claimed to be the final prophet, he clearly said before he is gone, that the God is going to send someone else to fulfil His plan
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #21 - April 15, 2009, 09:41 PM

    He doesn't have to prove anything. He's just saying what the Christians believe.



    But the christian belief is nothing but delusions

    there is nothing in the Bible that proves that jesus died for the original sin, in fact if it was planned that way, why he cried like a coward: My god, my god, why have you foraken me?
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #22 - April 15, 2009, 09:44 PM

    Hold on a sec pal

    firstly you need to prove that Jesus died for the original sin, from the Bible

    Well, I don't NEED to, since i do not believe in Christianity.
    I am just explaining you what most of Christianity is about.

    And, as a secondary point, most Christians do not follow a "Bible-only" version of Christianity :S

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #23 - April 15, 2009, 09:46 PM

    He doesn't have to prove anything. He's just saying what the Christians believe.



    But the christian belief is nothing but delusions

    there is nothing in the Bible that proves that jesus died for the original sin, in fact if it was planned that way, why he cried like a coward: My god, my god, why have you foraken me?

    I know the answer to your last question.
    The "My god my god why have you fordaken me?" is actually the beginning of one of the Psalms from the Old Testament, so Christians claim he was simply reciting a traditional Psalm.

    And, like I said, most Christians don't believe in Bible-only.

    Catholics, for example, have a shitload of additional dogmas not found in the Bible.

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #24 - April 15, 2009, 09:46 PM

    Hold on a sec pal

    firstly you need to prove that Jesus died for the original sin, from the Bible

    Well, I don't NEED to, since i do not believe in Christianity.
    I am just explaining you what most of Christianity is about.

    And, as a secondary point, most Christians do not follow a "Bible-only" version of Christianity :S



    That's right most christians if not all, are damn confused about their own scriptures

    however I excuse them, because how one follows a corrupt scripture, see
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #25 - April 15, 2009, 09:47 PM

    He doesn't have to prove anything. He's just saying what the Christians believe.



    But the christian belief is nothing but delusions

    there is nothing in the Bible that proves that jesus died for the original sin, in fact if it was planned that way, why he cried like a coward: My god, my god, why have you foraken me?

    I know the answer to your last question.
    The "My god my god why have you fordaken me?" is actually the beginning of one of the Psalms from the Old Testament, so Christians claim he was simply reciting a traditional Psalm.

    And, like I said, most Christians don't believe in Bible-only.

    Catholics, for example, have a shitload of additional dogmas not found in the Bible.



    Ok I get it, Jesus was a professional actor who deserves a grammy
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #26 - April 15, 2009, 09:51 PM

    Hold on a sec pal

    firstly you need to prove that Jesus died for the original sin, from the Bible

    Well, I don't NEED to, since i do not believe in Christianity.
    I am just explaining you what most of Christianity is about.

    And, as a secondary point, most Christians do not follow a "Bible-only" version of Christianity :S



    That's right most christians if not all, are damn confused about their own scriptures

    however I excuse them, because how one follows a corrupt scripture, see

    As opposed to the supposedly uncorrupted Quran and the overwhelming agreement Muslims have regarding Ahadith? :\

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #27 - April 15, 2009, 09:53 PM

    Ok I get it, Jesus was a professional actor who deserves a grammy

    Who knows?

    He might have not even existed. It's not like we have a lot of extra biblical information regarding him, or anything he supposedly did or said.

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #28 - April 15, 2009, 09:54 PM

    Hold on a sec pal

    firstly you need to prove that Jesus died for the original sin, from the Bible

    Well, I don't NEED to, since i do not believe in Christianity.
    I am just explaining you what most of Christianity is about.

    And, as a secondary point, most Christians do not follow a "Bible-only" version of Christianity :S



    That's right most christians if not all, are damn confused about their own scriptures

    however I excuse them, because how one follows a corrupt scripture, see

    As opposed to the supposedly uncorrupted Quran and the overwhelming agreement Muslims have regarding Ahadith? :\


    But the hadith is not part of Islam, it was a man invention sinilar to the books of NT that corrupted the chrsitian belief, same with the Muslims, Jerry Springer books of hadith corrupted their religion,  but hey, the bottom line is this, the Quran is the only uncorrupted scripture, that should say it all
  • Re: Prophet Muhammad vs Prophet Mani
     Reply #29 - April 15, 2009, 09:57 PM

    the Quran is the only uncorrupted scripture, that should say it all

    It might "say it all", if you had any evidence whatsoever to back that particular assertion.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
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