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  • Was Muhammad epileptic?
     OP - April 15, 2009, 11:46 AM

    I found this forum http://www.atheistnexus.org/xn/detail/2182797:Topic:267134
    speculating if Mo was epileptic, its a non religious forum, so they're not likely to be biased like Robert Spencer or FFI.

    I do think its possible that his revelations were actually epileptic fits, what do you think?  ???

    Epilepsy would explain Muhammad's visions and preoccupation with spirituality and his solitary retreats to the mountains for contemplative meditation. Many epileptics describe the spiritual sensations surrounding seizures as so exquisite that they actually look forward to these fits. Fyodor Dostoevsky claimed that he would not trade 10 years of life for a single epilepsy-induced spiritual experience.

    Ignorant and superstitious people, especially in Muhammad's day, were easily impressed by these seizures. They seemed real, because they were. However, they weren't demon possessions or contact with God; they were epileptic fits. These fits are reported to have scared Muhammad until his wife (the first, ever, Muslim) convinced him that they were divine communiqu?s. That's right . . . Muhammad's wife was the first Muslim - Muhammad was the second to believe.

    There is only anecdotal evidence that Muhammad was an epileptic. It's just a theory. But, due to the preponderance of evidence, many historians and researchers believe it. The first to suggest it was the Greek monk, Theophanes. Theophanes (752-817) wrote, in his "Chronography", that Muhammad suffered from epilepsy. In 1869, Sir William Muir, made the same connection in his book, "The Life of Mahomet". More recently, Clifford Pickover writes:

    Dostoevsky, another famous epileptic whose works are filled with ecstatic visions of universal love (and terrible nightmares of uncanny fear and radical evil), thought it was obvious that Mohammad's visions of God were triggered by epilepsy. "Mohammad assures us in this Koran that he had seen Paradise," Dostoevsky notes. "He did not lie. He had indeed been in Paradise - during an attack of epilepsy, from which he suffered, as I do."
    I guess it takes one to know one.

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  • Re: Was Muhammad epileptic?
     Reply #1 - April 15, 2009, 12:10 PM

    I have heard before that his physical appearance (his light colouration for an Arab etc) also showed attypical symptoms of a type of medical problem, but cant remember which one it was.  The thread is on this forum somewhere...

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  • Re: Was Muhammad epileptic?
     Reply #2 - April 15, 2009, 12:56 PM

    I've heard that before. It's a possibility, the guy was definitely suffering from something. Dostoevsky's work sounds quite interesting, I'll have to look into it.
  • Re: Was Muhammad epileptic?
     Reply #3 - April 15, 2009, 05:18 PM

    I've heard that before. It's a possibility, the guy was definitely suffering from something. Dostoevsky's work sounds quite interesting, I'll have to look into it.


    You know Peruvian, I find the "revelations" Muhammad received very strange, the other guy receiving such revelations St. Paul, received everything at one go, so to speak, so even if St. Paul was not lying, he probably was only a one time epileptic! dance

    However, Muhammad continually suffered from fits, swooned, sweated & received revelations which came to Him word for word, from Allah. He received them for 23 years, some very convenient ones like the permission to marry his former daughter in law Zainab, or even the one asking guests to be circumspect in barging into his house, either he suffered from fits when he received "revelations" or he was a consummate actor, or more probably some combo of these two, sometimes he really believed that he had received revelations, while at other times he pretended to receiving revelations from Allah which gave him whatever he wanted. idiot2

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Was Muhammad epileptic?
     Reply #4 - April 15, 2009, 05:58 PM

    I think he was schizophrenic. But he may have also been epileptic. Indeed, there's a certain link between both disorders.

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  • Re: Was Muhammad epileptic?
     Reply #5 - April 15, 2009, 06:07 PM

    I found this article on temporal lobe epilepsy & religiosity, people with this type of epilepsy are very prone to religious visions, but since visions too are determined by socio cultural factors- Christians would see Jesus or Mary, Muslims Muslim visions, Hindus their favorite god\s, etc so this really doesn't prove any religion.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2003/godonbrain.shtml

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Was Muhammad epileptic?
     Reply #6 - April 15, 2009, 10:47 PM

    Personally I don't think he was an epileptic, I think he made the whole thing up. I was reading some hadith on how some of his companions put their foot under his leg while Muhammad was receiving "revelations" and they describe it as a mountain crushing them lol. Hmm

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

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  • Re: Was Muhammad epileptic?
     Reply #7 - April 16, 2009, 07:18 AM

    I've heard that before. It's a possibility, the guy was definitely suffering from something. Dostoevsky's work sounds quite interesting, I'll have to look into it.


    You know Peruvian, I find the "revelations" Muhammad received very strange, the other guy receiving such revelations St. Paul, received everything at one go, so to speak, so even if St. Paul was not lying, he probably was only a one time epileptic! dance

    However, Muhammad continually suffered from fits, swooned, sweated & received revelations which came to Him word for word, from Allah. He received them for 23 years, some very convenient ones like the permission to marry his former daughter in law Zainab, or even the one asking guests to be circumspect in barging into his house, either he suffered from fits when he received "revelations" or he was a consummate actor, or more probably some combo of these two, sometimes he really believed that he had received revelations, while at other times he pretended to receiving revelations from Allah which gave him whatever he wanted. idiot2


    But if he believed that he had received REAL revelations, even just once, wouldn't the fear of Allah smiting him or at least of hellfire be enough to keep him from lying about fake, convenient revelations?

    I don't think it could be both, either he had mental problems that made him actually believe he was a divine messenger (not just in the form of epilepsy, but for example interpreting his own thoughts as coming from a divine source)... or he made everything up with his own evil intentions.

    Personally, I think the mental problems hypothesis is more likely. Else, why would he for example stay up all night praying? Why would he become suicidal when he went too long without "revelations"?

    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
  • Re: Was Muhammad epileptic?
     Reply #8 - April 16, 2009, 09:27 AM

    I've heard that before. It's a possibility, the guy was definitely suffering from something. Dostoevsky's work sounds quite interesting, I'll have to look into it.


    You know Peruvian, I find the "revelations" Muhammad received very strange, the other guy receiving such revelations St. Paul, received everything at one go, so to speak, so even if St. Paul was not lying, he probably was only a one time epileptic! dance

    However, Muhammad continually suffered from fits, swooned, sweated & received revelations which came to Him word for word, from Allah. He received them for 23 years, some very convenient ones like the permission to marry his former daughter in law Zainab, or even the one asking guests to be circumspect in barging into his house, either he suffered from fits when he received "revelations" or he was a consummate actor, or more probably some combo of these two, sometimes he really believed that he had received revelations, while at other times he pretended to receiving revelations from Allah which gave him whatever he wanted. idiot2

    Maybe Mo did both, he received and he made up revelations. As AlmostAisha pointed out that made-up revelations would be illogical if he actually believed he was the messenger but there could be the possibility that he convinced himself that these made-up ones were real too.
  • Re: Was Muhammad epileptic?
     Reply #9 - April 16, 2009, 10:25 AM

    But if he believed that he had received REAL revelations, even just once, wouldn't the fear of Allah smiting him or at least of hellfire be enough to keep him from lying about fake, convenient revelations?

    I don't think it could be both, either he had mental problems that made him actually believe he was a divine messenger (not just in the form of epilepsy, but for example interpreting his own thoughts as coming from a divine source)... or he made everything up with his own evil intentions.

    Personally, I think the mental problems hypothesis is more likely. Else, why would he for example stay up all night praying? Why would he become suicidal when he went too long without "revelations"?



    I do agree that if he believed that he'd received Real revelations even once, then the fear of Hellfire would ensure that he didn't fake revelations, half the Quran is about the threat of Hellfire,( the other half about ways to kill & suppress unbelievers!) any true believer would fear Hell!

    But then verses like these make me very suspicious:

    Quran 033.050
    YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large);

    This verse seems manufactured to satisfy Mo's lust!  Wink

    Quran 033.053

    YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses,- until leave is given you,- for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation: but when ye are invited, enter; and when ye have taken your meal, disperse, without seeking familiar talk. Such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet: he is ashamed to dismiss you, but Allah is not ashamed (to tell you) the truth. And when ye ask (his ladies) for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs. Nor is it right for you that ye should annoy Allah's Messenger, or that ye should marry his widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in Allah's sight an enormity.

    This one seems to make his life comfortable, he was finding it difficult to shoo believers off his house, but Allah spoke up for him!  Wink

    Why would Allah, supposedly the Maker of the Universe with a lot on His hands, make such verses which take care of not only Mo's sexual appetite, but also make believers enter & leave Mo's house as per Mo's wishes?  Huh?

    On the other hand, he did pray for hours at a stretch, & even became suicidal! If he was lying, he'd have to be a truly gifted liar!

    Maybe Mo did both, he received and he made up revelations. As AlmostAisha pointed out that made-up revelations would be illogical if he actually believed he was the messenger but there could be the possibility that he convinced himself that these made-up ones were real too.


    Yep, I think thats' the most convincing explanation for Mo's erratic behaviour! yes
    Today, maybe a little Prozac would've cured Mo! idiot2

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Was Muhammad epileptic?
     Reply #10 - April 16, 2009, 12:57 PM

    There is no reason why he could not have been epileptic and also used it to his advantage to further his goals. His claim to divinity, hunger for power and need for women.

    We have seen such traits many times to varying degrees in many people throughout history; Joseph Smith, David Koresh, Jim Jones, Sai Baba, etc. People who must know they are not what they claim to be but appear religiously devout and use every trick in the book to build followings.

    The ones that succeed get reverence and the ones that fail gets abomination.

    Muhammad succeeded where many failed.


    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
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