What Does the Quran Think the Sky is?

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What Does the Quran Think the Sky is?
OP - April 16, 2009, 11:57 AM

You decide. I think it's pretty obvious when we gather all of the verses next to each other

40:64 (Y. Ali) It is Allah Who has made for you the earth as a resting place, and the sky as a canopy,

2:22 (Y. Ali) Who has made the earth your couch, and the heavens your canopy;

21:32 (Y. Ali) And We have made the heavens as a canopy well guarded:

37:6 (Y. Ali) We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,-
37:7 (Y. Ali) (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil spirits,

67:5 (Y. Ali) And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones,

52:5 (Y. Ali) By the canopy Raised High;

88:18 (Y. Ali) And at the sky, how it is raised high?-

13:2 (Y. Ali) Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see;

31:10 (Y. Ali) He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can see;

50:6 (Y. Ali) Do they not look at the sky above them?- How We have made it and adorned it, and there are no flaws in it?

85:1 (Y. Ali) By the sky, (displaying) the Zodiacal Signs;

34:9 (Y. Ali) See they not what is before them and behind them, of the sky and the earth? If We wished, We could cause the earth to swallow them up, or cause a piece of the sky to fall upon them.

52:44 (Y. Ali) Were they to see a piece of the sky falling (on them), they would (only) say: "Clouds gathered in heaps!"

55:37 (Y. Ali) When the sky is rent asunder, and it becomes red like ointment:

69:16 (Y. Ali) And the sky will be rent asunder, for it will that Day be flimsy,

73:18 (Y. Ali) Whereon the sky will be cleft asunder? His Promise needs must be accomplished.

82:1 (Y. Ali) When the sky is cleft asunder;

84:1 (Y. Ali) When the sky is rent asunder,
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Reply #1 - April 16, 2009, 12:35 PM

The sky is a covering for the earth.

It holds the stars and is the lowere end of the seven heavens.

It is supported on pillars which is not visible to our eyes

At the end of time it will be blown to smitherines. So its not part of Paradise, just the canopy between earth and the heavens

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Reply #2 - April 16, 2009, 12:41 PM

What is the "lowest heaven"?

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Reply #3 - April 16, 2009, 12:47 PM

Quote from: a.ghazali on April 16, 2009, 12:35 PM
The sky is a covering for the earth.

It holds the stars and is the lowere end of the seven heavens.

It is supported on pillars which is not visible to our eyes

At the end of time it will be blown to smitherines. So its not part of Paradise, just the canopy between earth and the heavens

It is talking about a solid sky. Solid sky will tear apart on the JDAY. This is a clear cut error in the quran as the author thought that sky was solid so that he could tear apart.
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Reply #4 - April 16, 2009, 01:01 PM

Quote from: King Tut on April 16, 2009, 12:41 PM
What is the "lowest heaven"?

The lowest is the least opulent area of heaven. The seventh layer is the most opulent where Allah sits on his throne and where Muhammad claims he will go to sit next to him. Muhammad claims Jesus would be in aroud layer 3 I think.

Jihadis who fight in the way of Allh will get into the topmost area of heaven. Most good Muslims will probably be in the lowest heaven.

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Reply #5 - April 16, 2009, 02:35 PM

Quote from: King Tut on April 16, 2009, 12:41 PM
What is the "lowest heaven"?

The lowest heaven contains the sun. The second heaven contains the moon. The third to seventh heavens contain Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn and Jupiter. It is ancient mythology which and many other cultures believed in at the ti,e. Arabs believed in at the time the Qur'an was written. The Qur'an also says that the stars are in the first heaven so the stars are closer to earth than the moon!

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Reply #6 - April 16, 2009, 02:59 PM

Starts are closer to earth then the sun? When an object is further away it looks smaller. What did they think the starts are some little tiny objects? lol the stars are MASSIVE!

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Reply #7 - April 16, 2009, 03:21 PM

Quote from: aliadiere on April 16, 2009, 02:35 PM
Quote from: King Tut on April 16, 2009, 12:41 PM
What is the "lowest heaven"?

The lowest heaven contains the sun. The second heaven contains the moon. The third to seventh heavens contain Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn and Jupiter. It is ancient mythology which and many other cultures believed in at the ti,e. Arabs believed in at the time the Qur'an was written. The Qur'an also says that the stars are in the first heaven so the stars are closer to earth than the moon!

I didn't read where it says the second heaven contains the moon, could you quote the verse? Also, if the moon is in the second heaven, then if I'm not mistaken, The Night Journey probably means that Jesus lives on the moon.

Anyway, it seems like we are all in agreement that the sky most certainly was looked at as an actual, physical covering of sorts that could become flimsy and tear open. This would be ridiculous if we said that nobody would believe that back then, but instead, this is precisely what they used to believe. So the Quran confirms their already existing errant notions. Why would the Quran do that? Simple, because it's author simply didn't know any better. The implications and repercussions of that are obvious and do not need to be explained.
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Reply #8 - April 16, 2009, 03:30 PM

Quote from: aliadiere on April 16, 2009, 02:35 PM
Quote from: King Tut on April 16, 2009, 12:41 PM
What is the "lowest heaven"?

The lowest heaven contains the sun. The second heaven contains the moon. The third to seventh heavens contain Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn and Jupiter. It is ancient mythology which and many other cultures believed in at the ti,e. Arabs believed in at the time the Qur'an was written. The Qur'an also says that the stars are in the first heaven so the stars are closer to earth than the moon!

That's odd, because in Ptolemaic astronomy "the fixed stars" are supposed to be higher up than the Moon, the Sun, or the planets. The sphere of fixed stars is the farthest sphere from Earth, actually. Also, the lunar heaven is one level lower than the solar heaven.

It seems Mohammad couldn't get the Ptolemaic astronomy straight. Maybe he was relying on traditional Arab superstitions.

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Reply #9 - April 16, 2009, 03:41 PM

Ya' think?
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Reply #10 - April 16, 2009, 03:51 PM

Quote from: Muhammad bin Lyin on April 16, 2009, 03:21 PM

I didn't read where it says the second heaven contains the moon, could you quote the verse? Also, if the moon is in the second heaven, then if I'm not mistaken, The Night Journey probably means that Jesus lives on the moon.

Anyway, it seems like we are all in agreement that the sky most certainly was looked at as an actual, physical covering of sorts that could become flimsy and tear open. This would be ridiculous if we said that nobody would believe that back then, but instead, this is precisely what they used to believe. So the Quran confirms their already existing errant notions. Why would the Quran do that? Simple, because it's author simply didn't know any better. The implications and repercussions of that are obvious and do not need to be explained.

The Qur'an does not describe the seven heavens. It just says that there are seven heavens. But this concept comes from ancient astronomy. The astronomers noticed that there were 5 "stars" which did not move in the same manner as the rest of the stars. These were obviously Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn and the reason they did not move in the same way as the other stars is because they planets and not stars. So they attached some significance to these stars and that is where the concept of the seven heavens comes from.

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