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  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #30 - April 17, 2009, 04:12 PM

    Probably. 

    It also means that I, as an atheist, am doomed to eternal torture for not believing in God and his Last Day, despite never having harmed a fly.  (Well, maybe the odd fly, but you know what I mean.)


    Yeah, that one's a bit tougher.

    Then again, there were probably few atheists in the seventh century so there may be some wiggle room. Also you're not exactly worshipping someone else, you're just not worshipping anything.

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #31 - April 17, 2009, 04:15 PM

    Probably. 

    It also means that I, as an atheist, am doomed to eternal torture for not believing in God and his Last Day, despite never having harmed a fly.  (Well, maybe the odd fly, but you know what I mean.)


    Yeah, that one's a bit tougher.

    Then again, there were probably few atheists in the seventh century so there may be some wiggle room. Also you're not exactly worshipping someone else, you're just not worshipping anything.


    She does not accept Allah, do you think that allows 'wiggle room'?  Do you believe we can reinterpret the Quran according to modern day standards?

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  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #32 - April 17, 2009, 04:25 PM

    I worship lasagne.   Yum Yum

    Anyway, AW, I really think that if you have to search for wiggle room to make your relgion fit with your conscience, then there is either something very wrong with your conscience, or your religion is just man made.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #33 - April 17, 2009, 04:27 PM

    Then again, there were probably few atheists in the seventh century so there may be some wiggle room. Also you're not exactly worshipping someone else, you're just not worshipping anything.


    What wiggle room is there? Allah's Revelations to Mo were not meant only for the 7th century, it was meant for all time, & Mo was supposedly the Seal of the Prophets, carrying the final message to mankind, Allah might've known, if He's All Knowing that the % of atheists are going to grow exponentially in the future...

    Also whats' wrong with worshipping something else? Many people worship something else-if Allah is All Powerful & All Mighty, isn't it impossible to worship anything else?

    Whatever object you worship, its ultimately Allah's creation & you're ultimately worshipping Allah. Why is Allah so petty & jealous over "something else" being all powerful & almighty?

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  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #34 - April 17, 2009, 04:32 PM

    Why is Allah so petty & jealous over "something else" being all powerful & almighty?

    Because Allah was created by a man. An angry and jealous one.

    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
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  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #35 - April 17, 2009, 04:34 PM

    Probably. 

    It also means that I, as an atheist, am doomed to eternal torture for not believing in God and his Last Day, despite never having harmed a fly.  (Well, maybe the odd fly, but you know what I mean.)


    Yeah, that one's a bit tougher.

    Then again, there were probably few atheists in the seventh century so there may be some wiggle room. Also you're not exactly worshipping someone else, you're just not worshipping anything.


    She does not accept Allah, do you think that allows 'wiggle room'?  Do you believe we can reinterpret the Quran according to modern day standards?


    For some reason, my reply didnt register. I was being facetious about the wiggle room.

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #36 - April 17, 2009, 04:36 PM

    I worship lasagne.   Yum Yum

    Anyway, AW, I really think that if you have to search for wiggle room to make your relgion fit with your conscience, then there is either something very wrong with your conscience, or your religion is just man made.


    Those are not the only two choices Cheetah, asking these questions is fine and there are a range of opinions on the subject from the Salafi who believes only his sect is saved to Sufis to Muslim intellectals etc..

    In any many case, my contention isnt with those who believe Islam is false or man made but those who believe it is evil.


    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #37 - April 17, 2009, 04:37 PM

    Probably. 

    It also means that I, as an atheist, am doomed to eternal torture for not believing in God and his Last Day, despite never having harmed a fly.  (Well, maybe the odd fly, but you know what I mean.)


    Yeah, that one's a bit tougher.

    Then again, there were probably few atheists in the seventh century so there may be some wiggle room. Also you're not exactly worshipping someone else, you're just not worshipping anything.


    She does not accept Allah, do you think that allows 'wiggle room'?  Do you believe we can reinterpret the Quran according to modern day standards?


    For some reason, my reply didnt register. I was being facetious about the wiggle room.

    I find that hard to believe.  Your next sentence read -
    Quote
    Also you're not exactly worshipping someone else, you're just not worshipping anything

    so it looks like you were looking for an escape clause from its barbaric nature

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  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #38 - April 17, 2009, 04:41 PM

    Probably. 

    It also means that I, as an atheist, am doomed to eternal torture for not believing in God and his Last Day, despite never having harmed a fly.  (Well, maybe the odd fly, but you know what I mean.)


    Yeah, that one's a bit tougher.

    Then again, there were probably few atheists in the seventh century so there may be some wiggle room. Also you're not exactly worshipping someone else, you're just not worshipping anything.


    She does not accept Allah, do you think that allows 'wiggle room'?  Do you believe we can reinterpret the Quran according to modern day standards?


    For some reason, my reply didnt register. I was being facetious about the wiggle room.

    I find that hard to believe.  Your next sentence read -
    Quote
    Also you're not exactly worshipping someone else, you're just not worshipping anything

    so it looks like you were looking for an escape clause from its barbaric nature



    Believe what you want

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #39 - April 17, 2009, 04:48 PM

    Probably. 

    It also means that I, as an atheist, am doomed to eternal torture for not believing in God and his Last Day, despite never having harmed a fly.  (Well, maybe the odd fly, but you know what I mean.)


    Yeah, that one's a bit tougher.

    Then again, there were probably few atheists in the seventh century so there may be some wiggle room. Also you're not exactly worshipping someone else, you're just not worshipping anything.


    She does not accept Allah, do you think that allows 'wiggle room'?  Do you believe we can reinterpret the Quran according to modern day standards?


    For some reason, my reply didnt register. I was being facetious about the wiggle room.

    I find that hard to believe.  Your next sentence read -
    Quote
    Also you're not exactly worshipping someone else, you're just not worshipping anything

    so it looks like you were looking for an escape clause from its barbaric nature



    Believe what you want

    ok

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  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #40 - April 17, 2009, 06:44 PM

    I worship lasagne.   Yum Yum

    I had that for lunch today! Smiley

    And Arab-Wannabe, I consider 'evil' any monolithic ideology that brainwashes its adherents into believing in eternal punishment in Hell. As I've stated numerous times to muslims online, to no avail, I consider a lot of human parents superior to the allah in this regard because they would never torture their children like that no matter what they did. And for all eternity? Sheesh.

    "At 8:47 I do a grenade jump off a ladder."
  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #41 - April 17, 2009, 09:47 PM

    fear of Hell is a very powerful factor in keeping people in religion and paralyzes their rational thinking. Personally it took me a very long time to shake this fear and I know how it can subconsciously  affect one's thinking.

    No Muslim will say they do this or that because they fear Hell - but it is there, even if it is hidden away. I remember when I told Ahmad Bahgat I couldn't believe in a cruel vindictive God that tortures his creation. He taunted me that it doesn't matter what I want to believe and I would burn in Hell regardless of what I want or think God should be like.

    That pretty much reflects most Muslims thinking - even if they don't admit it as plainly as Ahmad did - and even if they dress it up in convoluted philosophizing. God really is this scary, cruel, vicious and sadistic monster that will torture you if you don't obey.




    god made hell for those who harm other human, the fear of hell make us not to harm other human


    Quote
    Firstly, you are wrong, Hell in Islam is clearly for those who reject Islam.


    you are wrong here, islam (ie quran) came only 14 hundreads year so before islam people who did evil will go to hell

    Quote
    Secondly, even if if you try to spin it to mean Hell is only for those who reject belief in God - it is still an utterly disgusting concept.



    God hates atheist because ideology of atheist says there are no eternal consequences so, "if it feels good, do it!".

    Quote
    Thirdly even if you spin it to mean Hell is only for those who harm other human beings (and that is a spin too far) it is still an utterly disgusting concept.


    hell is a place to punish criminal like we punish crminal in jail cell

    if criminal dont have fear of jail, they will kill, robe, rape, cheat

    god also have his jail cell for those who do crime


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  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #42 - April 17, 2009, 10:19 PM


    Yes, I've actually thought about this before. When I was "losing my religion" at the tender age of 14.
    The fear of hell stuck to me. It was like the fear a kid has after watching a scary movie. I was terrified...because I loved rock and roll...and the preacher on TV said it was evil, but I loved it so much. Finally it drove me into a crazy depression, and my father told me there was no such thing as hell.

    It happened again, years later when studying the quran. I would read it, and it had the most graphic descriptions. Ghastly stuff. It really pushes the fear button. I, a grown man, would lay in bed with this odd fear. The same kind of fear as right after seeing a really freaky horror movie. You know what I mean. Where you know there are no zombies or boogymen, but you leave the hallway light on anyway (not me of course..I aint scared of notin  whistling2)

    Like going to beach after watching Jaws. You know that giant great white sharks are not coming to hunt you down, that shark attacks are very rare, that great whites dont even attack people on purpose....that great whites dont even swim in these waters.....you know all that....but just after watching that scary shark movie, you have a fear of going in the water.
    I have a friend who is a marine biologist, and she will not let her kids watch Jaws, because she does not want them to get an irrational fear of the ocean.


    What happens to those who died without having been in contact with Islam or Muslims? It would seem illogical for them to have to endure hell, which must mean that some non-muslims who lead righteous lives do not go to Hell.



    Indeed. Therefore isn't giving Dawah in itself a bad thing, since giving Dawah will cause more people to have contact with Islam, with the result that some people still do not accept Islam, and therefore end up in Hell.
    If there had been no Dawah, then everybody would have been ignorant, and nobody would have gone to Hell.




    Realistically, you are correct.
    From a christian viewpoint, it would have been better if Jesus dies for everyones sins.....Then just kept it on the down low. Hooray, everyone saved, right?
    By telling people the story, knowing that some or many would not believe you, you would basically be causing their damnation. Not only that...but the whole mission of "saving everyone" fails.......How perverse and illogical is that?


    From a muslim viewpoint, from what I know, it would not matter.
    Allah decided who was going to hell already, if you believe in him, it is his will...if not.....it is his will. So, I really dont get how that works out.

    I guess the answer would be, it would not matter, since if you gave dawa to a "person of the fire" they would reject it anyway because it is their nature (because allah already damned them before they were born, so they are just fulfilling their destiny) and if you gave dawa to a person who allah had created to go to heaven they would accept it no matter what.
    So it is not really in the hands of the dawa giver.
    Correct me if I'm wrong

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

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  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #43 - April 18, 2009, 12:11 AM


    Yes, I've actually thought about this before. When I was "losing my religion" at the tender age of 14.
    The fear of hell stuck to me. It was like the fear a kid has after watching a scary movie. I was terrified...because I loved rock and roll...and the preacher on TV said it was evil, but I loved it so much. Finally it drove me into a crazy depression, and my father told me there was no such thing as hell.

    It happened again, years later when studying the quran. I would read it, and it had the most graphic descriptions. Ghastly stuff. It really pushes the fear button. I, a grown man, would lay in bed with this odd fear. The same kind of fear as right after seeing a really freaky horror movie. You know what I mean. Where you know there are no zombies or boogymen, but you leave the hallway light on anyway (not me of course..I aint scared of notin  whistling2)

    Like going to beach after watching Jaws. You know that giant great white sharks are not coming to hunt you down, that shark attacks are very rare, that great whites dont even attack people on purpose....that great whites dont even swim in these waters.....you know all that....but just after watching that scary shark movie, you have a fear of going in the water.
    I have a friend who is a marine biologist, and she will not let her kids watch Jaws, because she does not want them to get an irrational fear of the ocean.


    What happens to those who died without having been in contact with Islam or Muslims? It would seem illogical for them to have to endure hell, which must mean that some non-muslims who lead righteous lives do not go to Hell.



    Indeed. Therefore isn't giving Dawah in itself a bad thing, since giving Dawah will cause more people to have contact with Islam, with the result that some people still do not accept Islam, and therefore end up in Hell.
    If there had been no Dawah, then everybody would have been ignorant, and nobody would have gone to Hell.




    Realistically, you are correct.
    From a christian viewpoint, it would have been better if Jesus dies for everyones sins.....Then just kept it on the down low. Hooray, everyone saved, right?
    By telling people the story, knowing that some or many would not believe you, you would basically be causing their damnation. Not only that...but the whole mission of "saving everyone" fails.......How perverse and illogical is that?


    From a muslim viewpoint, from what I know, it would not matter.
    Allah decided who was going to hell already, if you believe in him, it is his will...if not.....it is his will. So, I really dont get how that works out.

    I guess the answer would be, it would not matter, since if you gave dawa to a "person of the fire" they would reject it anyway because it is their nature (because allah already damned them before they were born, so they are just fulfilling their destiny) and if you gave dawa to a person who allah had created to go to heaven they would accept it no matter what.
    So it is not really in the hands of the dawa giver.
    Correct me if I'm wrong


    You pretty much got it. However, if you tell muslims about pre-destination, they would automatically say that we are taking it out of context and how we do not understand the concept of pre-destination. But yes, they say that Allah guides who he wants, and he leads astray whom he wills. Its pathetic really.

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  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #44 - April 18, 2009, 12:25 AM

    This is a severe problem that I have encountered with numerous muslims online, who later go on to tell other muslims to avoid me because allah has sealed my heart!

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  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #45 - April 18, 2009, 12:45 AM


    You pretty much got it. However, if you tell muslims about pre-destination, they would automatically say that we are taking it out of context and how we do not understand the concept of pre-destination. But yes, they say that Allah guides who he wants, and he leads astray whom he wills. Its pathetic really.


    I dont understand why they would deny it, it is fairly straight forward...in fact extremely straight  forward


    ?Do you want to guide him whom Allah has made to go astray? And he whom Allah has made to go astray, you will never find for him any way (of guidance)..? 4:88 

    ?My counsel will not profit you if I were minded to advise you, if Allah?s will is to keep you astray. He is your Lord and unto Him ye will be brought back.? 11:34

    "?Whomsoever Allah guides, he is the one who follows the right way; and whomsoever He causes to err, these are the losers. Many are the Jinns and men we have made for Hell.? 7:178-179 

    its pretty much the most straightforward thing ever.

    I think with things like this, and with hell in general, people know there is something not right about this. They know it either doesnt make sense or it is barbaric or silly, but maybe it is too hard to accept, and that is why they do the mental gymnastics. But you would think it would give someone pause, if someones religious beliefs contradict their reason and morality....that they feel the need to mend the beliefs to conform to their intellect.
    That would mean that the person;s reason is above the words of the prophets anyway.

    Therefor, why bother with prophets at all? Huh?
    They seem more like baggage than anything else.

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
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  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #46 - April 18, 2009, 07:44 AM

    This is a severe problem that I have encountered with numerous muslims online, who later go on to tell other muslims to avoid me because allah has sealed my heart!


    THAT is self-righteousness right there, infact fuck the self-righteous. Whenever they throw insults and avoid the question pretty much shows that they are deluded and unable to question their own beliefs, which is something I have NEVER seen a muslim do, EVER. Because they KNOW that if the ponder and question this, they will go into doubt (questioning the concept of pre-destination) and could leave Islam. But fear not, your heart is not sealed, and if we are pre-destined to hell, we will go to hell together!! sloshed

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  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #47 - April 18, 2009, 08:14 AM

    I consider a lot of human parents superior to the allah in this regard because they would never torture their children like that no matter what they did. And for all eternity? Sheesh.


     Afro

    It's not even just the idea that in the end he will torture the hell-bound in such cruel ways, though that's definitely bad enough. In addition to that he seals hearts and misguides people during their lives, actively working to prevent them from seeing the truth and correcting their "evil" ways. Not only is this sadistic, but also quite illogical.

    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #48 - April 18, 2009, 10:53 AM

    fear of Hell is a very powerful factor in keeping people in religion and paralyzes their rational thinking. Personally it took me a very long time to shake this fear and I know how it can subconsciously  affect one's thinking.

    No Muslim will say they do this or that because they fear Hell - but it is there, even if it is hidden away. I remember when I told Ahmad Bahgat I couldn't believe in a cruel vindictive God that tortures his creation. He taunted me that it doesn't matter what I want to believe and I would burn in Hell regardless of what I want or think God should be like.

    That pretty much reflects most Muslims thinking - even if they don't admit it as plainly as Ahmad did - and even if they dress it up in convoluted philosophizing. God really is this scary, cruel, vicious and sadistic monster that will torture you if you don't obey.




    god made hell for those who harm other human, the fear of hell make us not to harm other human


    Firstly, you are wrong, Hell in Islam is clearly for those who reject Islam.



    What happens to those who died without having been in contact with Islam or Muslims? It would seem illogical for them to have to endure hell, which must mean that some non-muslims who lead righteous lives do not go to Hell.



    Yes, AW, I can't think of any Muslim who would argue that those people who never knew about Islam would go to Hell.

    I was referring to those who have heard about Islam and reject it.




    And that would presumably include Jews and Christians living in Dhimmi lands, right?




    Not necessarily. Being a protected minority under an Islamic State does not imply they will go to heaven.

    The crucial factor is whether they have heard about Islam - many Muslims Scholars would also stipulate that they would have to have not just 'heard' about it, but had it presented to them in a proper (whatever that means) manner.

    So a Christian or Jew living as a protected minority in an Islamic State who has heard about Islam (and had it presented to him 'properly' ) will still be regarded as going to Hell if he "rejects" it and refuses to become a Muslim.


    Thanks Hassan, who in your opinion does the oft-quoted verse refer to "Those who believe (Muslims), the Jews, the Christians, and the Sabeans - whosoever believes in God and the Last Day and do good deeds, theyshall have their reward from the Lord, and shall have nothing to fear, nor shall they come to grief"?

    Does this mean that non-muslims can also go to heaven?




    Watch my video about Hell, AW, I explain it there. Here it is again for you

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPqLpgxPxfc:



  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #49 - April 18, 2009, 11:09 AM

    you are wrong here, islam (ie quran) came only 14 hundreads year so before islam people who did evil will go to hell


    I already said I was not referring to those who came before Islam. (btw according to Islam it has always existed and was the religion of Adam to Abraham to Jesus etc...)

    God hates atheist because ideology of atheist says there are no eternal consequences so, "if it feels good, do it!"


    Sorry, Kope - regardless of what you believe God thinks of Atheists, keeping them alive just so they can be tortured is utterly indefensible and NOT the act of a God, but the act of a sadistic monster.

    hell is a place to punish criminal like we punish crminal in jail cell

    if criminal dont have fear of jail, they will kill, robe, rape, cheat

    god also have his jail cell for those who do crime


    Firstly I do not consider rejecting belief in a God that doesn't provide undeniable evidence of his existence - to be a crime in any way shape or form.

    Secondly even if it is a crime (which it is not) then keeping them alive for ever just so they can be tortured serves no purpose - it is the sadistic, vindictive, cruel, barbaric and sick act of a psychopath.

    Kope - Hell is bullshit my friend.

    There is no Hell.

    The Qur'an is man-made.

    God (if there is one) is not the author of the Qur'an or the utterly disgusting and sick concept of Hell.

  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #50 - April 18, 2009, 11:37 AM

    regardless of what you believe God thinks of Atheists, keeping them alive just so they can be tortured is utterly indefensible and NOT the act of a God, but the act of a sadistic monster.


    This is why you should be an atheist. We must repudiate and oppose God.

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #51 - April 18, 2009, 11:40 AM

    How can you oppose a being that doesn't exist?

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  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #52 - April 18, 2009, 11:46 AM

    How can you oppose a being that doesn't exist?


    We should also refute him. The point is that we reclaim humanity against his spectre.

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #53 - April 18, 2009, 11:56 AM

    I see. *nods sagely*

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  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #54 - April 18, 2009, 11:58 AM

    How can you oppose a being that doesn't exist?

    We should also refute him. The point is that we reclaim humanity against his spectre.

    I must admit this argument does make me want to become an atheist!

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  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #55 - April 18, 2009, 12:04 PM

    regardless of what you believe God thinks of Atheists, keeping them alive just so they can be tortured is utterly indefensible and NOT the act of a God, but the act of a sadistic monster.


    This is why you should be an atheist. We must repudiate and oppose God.


    But that seems to imply you believe there really is a monster out there who does this sort of thing to his creation? That is of course ludicrous.

    The God of Hell is a fiction.

    The God of Islam and Christianity is a man-made fiction.

    That doesn't mean I have to the rule out the possibility that there is a god - a very different one to the man-made one of religion. Does it?
  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #56 - April 18, 2009, 12:08 PM

    How can you oppose a being that doesn't exist?

    We should also refute him. The point is that we reclaim humanity against his spectre.

    I must admit this argument does make me want to become an atheist!


    Damn Islame, it makes me want to become a theist just so I can become an atheist all over again.

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  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #57 - April 18, 2009, 12:47 PM

    Quote
    if criminal dont have fear of jail, they will kill, robe, rape, cheat

    god also have his jail cell for those who do crime


    Firstly I do not consider rejecting belief in a God that doesn't provide undeniable evidence of his existence - to be a crime in any way shape or form.

     i was referring  crime to killing robeing , raping, cheating not to atheist

    hitler died without punishment god will punish him in hell and other crimanal like him



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  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #58 - April 18, 2009, 12:56 PM

    But that seems to imply you believe there really is a monster out there who does this sort of thing to his creation? That is of course ludicrous.


    No, I only believe that that belief is extant.

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    The God of Hell is a fiction.

    The God of Islam and Christianity is a man-made fiction.

    That doesn't mean I have to the rule out the possibility that there is a god - a very different one to the man-made one of religion. Does it?


    Why? Why must you believe in a god?

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Fear of Hell
     Reply #59 - April 18, 2009, 12:56 PM

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    i was referring  crime to killing robeing , raping, cheating not to atheist


    So what happens to atheists when they die then, kope?

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