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Re: Fear of Hell
Reply #60 - April 18, 2009, 01:18 PM

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i was referring crime to killing robeing , raping, cheating not to atheist

So what happens to atheists when they die then, kope?

god does not hate atheist because of atheist reject god but atheist follow philosophy of "if it feels good, do it!".

a atheist who cant understand concept of god will not go to hell

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Reply #61 - April 18, 2009, 01:20 PM

Quote from: kope on April 18, 2009, 01:18 PM
"if it feels good, do it!"

That's hedonism and it's not a bad philosophy.

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Reply #62 - April 18, 2009, 01:22 PM

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god does not hate atheist because of atheist reject god but atheist follow philosophy of "if it feels good, do it!".

a atheist who cant understand concept of god will not go to hell

Atheists don't have a philosophy of if it feels good do it.

And where does it say in the Qur'an that an atheist who can't understand the concept of God will not go to hell?

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Reply #63 - April 18, 2009, 01:26 PM

Quote from: Hassan on April 18, 2009, 12:04 PM

That doesn't mean I have to the rule out the possibility that there is a god - a very different one to the man-made one of religion. Does it?

i believe you do not reject islam or god but you reject your own understanding of islam and god

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Reply #64 - April 18, 2009, 01:37 PM

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god does not hate atheist because of atheist reject god but atheist follow philosophy of "if it feels good, do it!".

a atheist who cant understand concept of god will not go to hell

Quote from: Cheetah on April 18, 2009, 01:22 PM
Atheists don't have a philosophy of if it feels good do it.

atheist dont have any written laws which say Do's and don'ts

Quote from: Cheetah on April 18, 2009, 01:22 PM
And where does it say in the Qur'an that an atheist who can't understand the concept of God will not go to hell?

it does not mention atheist but people who cant comprehent god

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Reply #65 - April 18, 2009, 01:38 PM

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fear of Hell is a very powerful factor in keeping people in religion and paralyzes their rational thinking. Personally it took me a very long time to shake this fear and I know how it can subconsciously affect one's thinking.

No Muslim will say they do this or that because they fear Hell - but it is there, even if it is hidden away. I remember when I told Ahmad Bahgat I couldn't believe in a cruel vindictive God that tortures his creation. He taunted me that it doesn't matter what I want to believe and I would burn in Hell regardless of what I want or think God should be like.

That pretty much reflects most Muslims thinking - even if they don't admit it as plainly as Ahmad did - and even if they dress it up in convoluted philosophizing. God really is this scary, cruel, vicious and sadistic monster that will torture you if you don't obey.

god made hell for those who harm other human, the fear of hell make us not to harm other human

Firstly, you are wrong, Hell in Islam is clearly for those who reject Islam.

What happens to those who died without having been in contact with Islam or Muslims? It would seem illogical for them to have to endure hell, which must mean that some non-muslims who lead righteous lives do not go to Hell.

Yes, AW, I can't think of any Muslim who would argue that those people who never knew about Islam would go to Hell.

I was referring to those who have heard about Islam and reject it.

And that would presumably include Jews and Christians living in Dhimmi lands, right?

Not necessarily. Being a protected minority under an Islamic State does not imply they will go to heaven.

The crucial factor is whether they have heard about Islam - many Muslims Scholars would also stipulate that they would have to have not just 'heard' about it, but had it presented to them in a proper (whatever that means) manner.

So a Christian or Jew living as a protected minority in an Islamic State who has heard about Islam (and had it presented to him 'properly' ) will still be regarded as going to Hell if he "rejects" it and refuses to become a Muslim.

Thanks Hassan, who in your opinion does the oft-quoted verse refer to "Those who believe (Muslims), the Jews, the Christians, and the Sabeans - whosoever believes in God and the Last Day and do good deeds, theyshall have their reward from the Lord, and shall have nothing to fear, nor shall they come to grief"?

Does this mean that non-muslims can also go to heaven?

Watch my video about Hell, AW, I explain it there. Here it is again for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPqLpgxPxfc:

Thanks, I watched it with interest.

A few first remarks:

1. Which scholars are we talking about (with regard to the discussed verse's interpretation)? You mention a consensus.

2. Why would those scholars have any bearing on my particular interpretation (bearing in mind that there are myriad interpretations among "scholars", wahhabi/salafis simply have greater access to communication to due better financing over the last thirty years)

3. Taking the example of the USSR, it makes little sense to think that people who grew up in an environment where atheism was the official ideology (and religious books banned) to be denied entry into "heaven"

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Re: Fear of Hell
Reply #66 - April 18, 2009, 01:48 PM

Quote from: kope on April 18, 2009, 12:47 PM
if criminal dont have fear of jail, they will kill, robe, rape, cheat

god also have his jail cell for those who do crime

Yes, of course we all understand the idea of a deterrent and how it works.

That is not the issue.

The issue is torturing someone in the most brutal and painful manner. Then if he dies or passes out make him alive again and put his skin back on after it has been charred off his bones - and do the whole thing again... for ever... and ever... and ever... and ever... (etc...) is utterly indefensible and no logic or reason can defend it in any way.

If you can't see that then you are in very deep denial.

Quote from: kope on April 18, 2009, 12:47 PM
i was referring crime to killing robeing , raping, cheating not to atheist

Even for rapists and murderers and Hitlers this punishment is unacceptable.

It is even more unacceptable for people who simply don't believe in Islam and/or God.

(btw the Qur'an spends 99% of the time talking about sending "Unbelievers" to Hell - so that is obviously the thing that pisses him off most - in fact he says Shirk is the only thing he will never forgive. So rapists and murderers are not the real issue - though of course I do understand that it makes you feel a little better to think that only nasty rapists etc... will have their skins burnt off their bones - for eternity.)
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Reply #67 - April 18, 2009, 01:49 PM

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"if it feels good, do it!"

That's hedonism and it's not a bad philosophy.

thats why many people end up in jail cell and hell because of all evil thing attrac to human

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Re: Fear of Hell
Reply #68 - April 18, 2009, 01:54 PM

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Why? Why must you believe in a god?

I would rather leave this for another thread. But briefly I am sort of an Agnostic Deist. My default position is I don't know and think we can never really know in this life - but I do 'feel' there is 'something' more - call it God if you will - though I dislike the word God as it is far too loaded.

Why does it bother you that I am not an Atheist?
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Re: Fear of Hell
Reply #69 - April 18, 2009, 01:57 PM

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i was referring crime to killing robeing , raping, cheating not to atheist

These are the things you say Allah sends people to Hell for - killing, robbing, raping, cheating. Now, given that the majority of murderers, robbers and rapists are male, why did Mohammed say that the majority of Hell's inhabitants are women?

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Reply #70 - April 18, 2009, 01:57 PM

Quote from: kope on April 18, 2009, 01:26 PM
Quote from: Hassan on April 18, 2009, 12:04 PM

That doesn't mean I have to the rule out the possibility that there is a god - a very different one to the man-made one of religion. Does it?

i believe you do not reject islam or god but you reject your own understanding of islam and god

Please do tell me what the correct understanding of Islam is - an more specifically, Hell?
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Reply #71 - April 18, 2009, 02:10 PM

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That doesn't mean I have to the rule out the possibility that there is a god - a very different one to the man-made one of religion. Does it?

i believe you do not reject islam or god but you reject your own understanding of islam and god

Please do tell me what the correct understanding of Islam is - an more specifically, Hell?

hell is not a good place but many muslims and you over exaggerated about hell

for an example in hell crimanal's skin will be peel like on earth, if stay in the sun for long time your skin will come off

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Reply #72 - April 18, 2009, 02:11 PM

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fear of Hell is a very powerful factor in keeping people in religion and paralyzes their rational thinking. Personally it took me a very long time to shake this fear and I know how it can subconsciously affect one's thinking.

No Muslim will say they do this or that because they fear Hell - but it is there, even if it is hidden away. I remember when I told Ahmad Bahgat I couldn't believe in a cruel vindictive God that tortures his creation. He taunted me that it doesn't matter what I want to believe and I would burn in Hell regardless of what I want or think God should be like.

That pretty much reflects most Muslims thinking - even if they don't admit it as plainly as Ahmad did - and even if they dress it up in convoluted philosophizing. God really is this scary, cruel, vicious and sadistic monster that will torture you if you don't obey.

god made hell for those who harm other human, the fear of hell make us not to harm other human

Firstly, you are wrong, Hell in Islam is clearly for those who reject Islam.

What happens to those who died without having been in contact with Islam or Muslims? It would seem illogical for them to have to endure hell, which must mean that some non-muslims who lead righteous lives do not go to Hell.

Yes, AW, I can't think of any Muslim who would argue that those people who never knew about Islam would go to Hell.

I was referring to those who have heard about Islam and reject it.

And that would presumably include Jews and Christians living in Dhimmi lands, right?

Not necessarily. Being a protected minority under an Islamic State does not imply they will go to heaven.

The crucial factor is whether they have heard about Islam - many Muslims Scholars would also stipulate that they would have to have not just 'heard' about it, but had it presented to them in a proper (whatever that means) manner.

So a Christian or Jew living as a protected minority in an Islamic State who has heard about Islam (and had it presented to him 'properly' ) will still be regarded as going to Hell if he "rejects" it and refuses to become a Muslim.

Thanks Hassan, who in your opinion does the oft-quoted verse refer to "Those who believe (Muslims), the Jews, the Christians, and the Sabeans - whosoever believes in God and the Last Day and do good deeds, theyshall have their reward from the Lord, and shall have nothing to fear, nor shall they come to grief"?

Does this mean that non-muslims can also go to heaven?

Watch my video about Hell, AW, I explain it there. Here it is again for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPqLpgxPxfc:

Thanks, I watched it with interest.

A few first remarks:

1. Which scholars are we talking about (with regard to the discussed verse's interpretation)? You mention a consensus.

2. Why would those scholars have any bearing on my particular interpretation (bearing in mind that there are myriad interpretations among "scholars", wahhabi/salafis simply have greater access to communication to due better financing over the last thirty years)

3. Taking the example of the USSR, it makes little sense to think that people who grew up in an environment where atheism was the official ideology (and religious books banned) to be denied entry into "heaven"

Hi AW,

1. I was referring to the classical scholars and in particular the classical Mufassiroon (Qur'anic interpreters) such as Ibn Kathir who I quoted - others are Tabari, Suyuti, Qurtubi, Zamakhshari, Baydawi etc...

2. Of course you are entitled to your interpretation and I am well aware there are many different interpretations. I was just giving my opinion on what the traditional view was. I am well aware that many modern Muslims argue that Christians and Jews won't go to Hell. (I used to be one of them )

3. You said: "it makes little sense to think that people who grew up in an environment where atheism was the official ideology (and religious books banned) to be denied entry into "heaven""

I quite agree, but if you are asking me for my opinion of what the classical scholars said - then it is that 'if they have been given the message and consciously rejected it then they will go to Hell.'
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Re: Fear of Hell
Reply #73 - April 18, 2009, 02:16 PM

AW & Kope - have a look at this video and tell me if you agree with it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TLYJyuwZCg
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Reply #74 - April 18, 2009, 02:20 PM

Quote from: Hassan on April 18, 2009, 02:11 PM

2. Of course you are entitled to your interpretation and I am well aware there are many different interpretations. I was just giving my opinion on what the traditional view was. I am well aware that many modern Muslims argue that Christians and Jews won't go to Hell. (I used to be one of them )

are you saying your interpretation was wrong that Christians and Jews won't go to Hell?

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Reply #75 - April 18, 2009, 02:32 PM

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How can you oppose a being that doesn't exist?

We should also refute him. The point is that we reclaim humanity against his spectre.

I must admit this argument does make me want to become an atheist!

Damn Islame, it makes me want to become a theist just so I can become an atheist all over again.

In that case take the Shahadah RIGHT NOW, online, and then reject god!

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Reply #76 - April 18, 2009, 02:34 PM

Quote from: kope on April 18, 2009, 02:10 PM
you over exaggerated about hell

I over exaggerated Hell in the Qur'an? LOL

In my video I only quoted two verses. There are about 500 verses in the Qur'an that talk about Hell. Here are just a few:

?As for those who reject Our Signs, We will roast them in a Fire. Every time their skins are burned off, We will replace them with new skins so that they can taste the punishment. Allah is Almighty, All-Wise.? (4:56)

?As for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured over their heads, melting that which is in their bellies and their skins too, and for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape they are driven back therein and (it will be said): Taste the doom of burning.? (22: 19-22)

Sura (40:71-72) - When the fetters and the chains shall be on their necks; they shall be dragged Into boiling water, then in the fire shall they be burned

Sura (56:92-94) - But if he is of the rejecters, the erring, then the welcome will be boiling water and roasting at hell-fire

Sura (9:73) - O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination

Qur'an 56:41    "But those of the left hand-how unhappy those of the left hand. They will be in the scorching hot wind and boiling water, under the shadow of thick black smoke, neither cool nor agreeable. ...They will be gathered together on a certain day which is predetermined. Then you, the erring and the deniers will eat Zaqqoom [a thorn tree]. Fill your bellies with it, and drink scalding water, lapping it up like female camels raging of thirst and diseased. Such will be their entertainment, their welcome on the Day of Doom...the welcome of boiling water and the entertainment of roasting in Hell. This is the ultimate truth."

Qur'an 37:19    "They will say, 'Woe to us! This is the Day of Doom.' Assemble the wrong-doers and their wives and the things they worshipped besides Allah, then lead them to the fierce flaming fires of Hell."

Qur'an 37:63    "For We have truly made it as a trial to torment the disbelievers. Zaqqum is a horrible thorn tree that grows in Hell. The shoots of its fruit-stalks are like the heads of devils. Truly they [non-Muslims] will eat it and fill their bellies with it. On top of that they will be given a mixture made of boiling water to drink especially prepared. Then they shall be returned to the Blazing Fire."

Qur'an 74:15    "They have offered stubborn opposition to Our Signs. Soon I will visit them with a mountain of calamities, imposing a fearful doom and a distressing punishment...

Qur'an 74:26    "Soon will I fling them into the burning Hell Fire! And what will explain what Hell Fire is? It permits nothing to endure, and nothing does it spare! It darkens and changes the color of man, burning the skin! It shrivels and scorches men."

Qur'an 67:7    "We have prepared the doom of Hell and the penalty of torment in the most intense Blazing Fire. For those who reject their Lord is the punishment of Hell: Evil, it is such a wretched destination. When they are flung therein, they will hear the terrible drawing in of their breath and loud moaning even as the flame blazes forth, roaring with rage as it boils up, bursting with fury. Every time a fresh crowd is cast in, Hell's wardens will ask, 'Did no Warner come to you?'"

Qur'an 69:27    "'I wish death had put an end to me. The stern command will say: 'Seize him, manacle him, chain him and cast him into the Blazing Fire of Hell. String him to a chain the length of which is seventy cubits. This is the fate of those who do not believe in the Lord Most Supreme or feed the poor. They have no friend today. They will have no food save filthy refuse which the hellish eat."

Qur'an 70:12    "He would sacrifice his wife and his brother, and his kin who sheltered him, and all that is on earth to deliver himself from the Doom. By no means! For them it is the Fire of Hell! Plucking apart his body right to the skull! Taking away the head skin. Eager to roast; dragged by the head, hell shall claim all who flee."

Qur'an 73:11    "Leave Me alone to deal with the deniers. Respite those who possess good things for a little while. Verily, with Us are heavy shackles (to bind), a raging fire (to burn them), food that chokes, and a torturous penalty of painful doom."

Qur'an 104:4    "He will be sure to be thrown into that which breaks him into pieces, flung to the Consuming One. And what will explain to you that which Breaks him into Pieces, Consuming and Crushing? It is the fire kindled by Allah which leaps up over them penetrating the hearts of men."

Qur'an 87:12    "They will be flung in to burn in the great Fire (and be made to taste its burning, in which they will then neither die nor live"

Qur'an 88:1    "Has the narration reached you of the overwhelming (calamity)? Some faces (all disbelievers, Jews and Christians) that Day, will be humiliated, downcast, scorched by the burning fire, while they are made to drink from a boiling hot spring."

Qur'an 88:6    "They shall have no food but a poisonous plant with bitter thorns, which will neither nourish nor satisfy hunger."

Qur'an 90:19    "But those who reject Our Signs, Proofs, and Verses, they are the unhappy Companions of the Left Hand. Fire will be their awning, vaulting over them."

Qur'an 47:15    "Those who shall dwell forever in the Fire are given to drink boiling water that tears their bowels to pieces, and cutting their intestines to shreds."

Quote from: kope on April 18, 2009, 02:10 PM
for an example in hell crimanal's skin will be peel like on earth, if stay in the sun for long time your skin will come off

Huh?

Please explain how this makes Hell not so bad?
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Reply #77 - April 18, 2009, 02:37 PM

Quote from: Hassan on April 18, 2009, 02:16 PM
AW & Kope - have a look at this video and tell me if you agree with it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TLYJyuwZCg

well, like i said you reject mullahs and your own understanding of islam and god

i dont follow mullahs but my own brain

ofcourse i listen to good mullahs and bad mullahs but i follow my way

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Reply #78 - April 18, 2009, 02:46 PM

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Please explain how this makes Hell not so bad?

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reject Our Signs, We will roast them in a Fire. Every time their skins are burned off, We will replace them with new skins so that they can taste the punishment. Allah is Almighty, All-Wise.? (4:56

here god saying skin will be peel like on earth, if you stay in the sun for long time your skin will come off

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Reply #79 - April 18, 2009, 02:56 PM

Quote from: kope on April 18, 2009, 02:46 PM
god saying skin will be peel like on earth, if you stay in the sun for long time your skin will come off

I don't understand what you mean?

Are you saying the punishment is not so bad because it will just be like being sun-burnt for ever?

That doesn't make it any better? It is still cruel to keep someone alive just so you can "lightly strip off his skin" for ever.

Do you think this makes it OK?
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Reply #80 - April 18, 2009, 04:56 PM

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Quote from: kope on April 18, 2009, 02:46 PM
god saying skin will be peel like on earth, if you stay in the sun for long time your skin will come off

I don't understand what you mean?

Are you saying the punishment is not so bad because it will just be like being sun-burnt for ever?

That doesn't make it any better? It is still cruel to keep someone alive just so you can "lightly strip off his skin" for ever.

Do you think this makes it OK?

if there is no hell than nothing wrong about killing,raping robing, if i like all those thing for my satisfaction

prove me if i am wrong about that?

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Reply #81 - April 18, 2009, 05:03 PM

Quote from: kope on April 18, 2009, 04:56 PM
if there is no hell than nothing wrong about killing,raping robing, if i like all those thing for my satisfaction

prove me if i am wrong about that?

So the only reason you personally DON'T rape and rob people is because you believe you'll go to hell for it? So if someone unequivocally proved that hell did NOT exist, does that mean you'd go on a cross country rape-and-slay spree?

That speaks volumes about you...

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Reply #82 - April 18, 2009, 05:06 PM

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f there is no hell than nothing wrong about killing,raping robing, if i like all those thing for my satisfaction

Kope, you never answered my question. If Hell is to punish people who murder, rape and rob, why are the majority of Hell's inhabitants women?

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Reply #83 - April 18, 2009, 05:10 PM

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Quote from: kope on April 18, 2009, 04:56 PM
if there is no hell than nothing wrong about killing,raping robing, if i like all those thing for my satisfaction

prove me if i am wrong about that?

So the only reason you personally DON'T rape and rob people is because you believe you'll go to hell for it? So if someone unequivocally proved that hell did NOT exist, does that mean you'd go on a cross country rape-and-slay spree?

That speaks volumes about you...

i dont believe in hell, i am just an animal like other animal who rape, prove to me why raping is bad even if i like?

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Reply #84 - April 18, 2009, 05:13 PM

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f there is no hell than nothing wrong about killing,raping robing, if i like all those thing for my satisfaction

Kope, you never answered my question. If Hell is to punish people who murder, rape and rob, why are the majority of Hell's inhabitants women?

i dont take hadiths serious

if agree with hadiths i take or reject them

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Reply #85 - April 18, 2009, 05:15 PM

For crying out loud, is every muslim on the Internet a hadith denier?

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Reply #86 - April 18, 2009, 05:21 PM

Quote from: kope on April 18, 2009, 04:56 PM
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Quote from: kope on April 18, 2009, 02:46 PM
god saying skin will be peel like on earth, if you stay in the sun for long time your skin will come off

I don't understand what you mean?

Are you saying the punishment is not so bad because it will just be like being sun-burnt for ever?

That doesn't make it any better? It is still cruel to keep someone alive just so you can "lightly strip off his skin" for ever.

Do you think this makes it OK?

if there is no hell than nothing wrong about killing,raping robing, if i like all those thing for my satisfaction

prove me if i am wrong about that?

The notion of hell is pure nonsense.I have a question for you. Why does GOD create evil when he hates evil so much? Well If there was no evil then would hell be required?
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Re: Fear of Hell
Reply #87 - April 18, 2009, 05:22 PM

Quote from: Cheetah on April 18, 2009, 05:15 PM
For crying out loud, is every muslim on the Internet a hadith denier?

It's all the rage this week.

Quran-aloners are under the impression that they can just wipe the slate clean if they just deny the validity of the Hadiths. Only, everything they do from how to conduct Hajj to how young your youngest wives can be are elaborated in the Hadiths.

Not to mention the Quran itself is full of awful, vicious intolerant teachings and an amazing amount of contradictions, rivalled only by the Bible. So Quran-aloners really can't run far before they are still confronted by the same kinds of BS that the hadiths are supposed to "clarify" for them. After all, the hadiths are based on the quran.

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Re: Fear of Hell
Reply #88 - April 18, 2009, 05:24 PM

Quote from: kope on April 18, 2009, 01:49 PM
thats why many people end up in jail cell and hell because of all evil thing attrac to human

Being in a jail cell doesn't feel good so if they were good hedonists they'd avoid that.

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Re: Fear of Hell
Reply #89 - April 18, 2009, 05:31 PM

Quote from: Cheetah on April 18, 2009, 05:15 PM
For crying out loud, is every muslim on the Internet a hadith denier?

muslims have disagreement with the hadiths

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