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 Topic: Hadramaut: Rebellious Women of Ridda Wars & Osama bin Laden!

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  • Hadramaut: Rebellious Women of Ridda Wars & Osama bin Laden!
     OP - April 17, 2009, 04:21 AM

    Hadramaut: Ridda Rebels to Osama bin Laden:

    Osama bin Laden's clan comes from the inhospitable Hadramaut, a bitterly poor region in the southern part of the Arabian Peninsula, whose name couldn't be more appropriate. Hadramaut means "death is among us."

    Today, Hadramaut is notorious for churning out fanatic champions of the faith like Bin Laden, but 1400 years ago, it was important for a diametrically different event- a rebellion against Islam!

    I found this article, thought it is interesting!

    The Harlots Of Hadramaut
     
                A disturbing incident following the death of Muhammad forever linked woman and song with blasphemous behavior. Not all tribes willingly clung to the new religion; some turned apostate. Perhaps thinking Muhammad' demise signaled a return to their former spiritual traditions, six women in the city of Hadramaut celebrated news of the Prophet's death. They marked the occasion by staining their hands with henna  -- a practice associated with festivities -- and playing on the 'tambourine.'  Two converts to Islam reported the women to Muhammad's successor, Caliph Abu Bakr, who gave orders for a gruesome punishment.
     
    The two righteous servants [of God] who remained
    steadfast in their religion when the greater part of their
    tribes apostasizedhave written to me that before them
    there are certain women of the people of Yemen who
    have desired the death of the Prophet of God, and that
    these have been joined by singing-girls of Kinda and
    prostitutes of Hadramaut, and they have dyed their hands
    and shown joy and played on the tambourine in defiance
    of God and in contempt of his rights and those of His
    Prophet. When my letter reaches you, go to them with
    your horses and men, and strike off their hands. [Italics mine] 13
     
     Fatima Mernissi , Moroccan feminist examines this significant clash between women and Islam. Who were these women, dismissed as harlots and prostitutes? Muslim historian Ibn Al Bagdadi identified the twelve of them in his work Kitab al-Muhabbar: Two were grandmothers, one a mother, and seven were young girls. Three of the twelve belonged to the ashraf (the noble class) and four to the tribe of Kindah, a royal tribe which provided Yemen with its kings.

     14 Mernissi asks a riveting question:
     
                           
    What kind of harlotry is practiced by elderly grandmothers,
    young girls, by the most noble of women, the members of
    princely houses? And why, anyway, was the clapping of
    tambourines by twenty-six women in the faraway villages
    of South Arabia so threatening to the powerful military
    Muslim order? 15
     
                One historian, A.F. L. Beetson, believes the incident reveals a conflict between the old pagan religion and the new monotheism. He speculates that these women dissidents were deprived by the new religion of their position as pagan priestesses of the old temple where religious prostitution was practiced. 16
     
    Mernissi interprets the conflict differently, believing that  whatever the previous social position of the women had been  the new Islamic order threatened it. Furthermore, she sees that the clash between the women and Islam clearly was in the sexual field. The fact that the Caliph labeled his opponents as harlots implies that Islam condemned their sexual practices, whatever they were, as harlotry. Mernissi believes this infamous "Harlots of Hadramaut" incident is an example of Islam's opposition to the sexual practices existing in pre-Islamic Arabia.' 17

    http://www.laurelvictoriagray.com/wizards-and-harlots.htm

    Wonder what Osama makes of his rebellious ancestresses, if at all he knows about this incident?  Wink



    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hadramaut: Ridda Rebels & Osama bin Laden!
     Reply #1 - April 17, 2009, 06:22 AM

    Abdulwali referred to Mernissi but I thought little of it. Stupid article doesn't have footnotes, so I don't know which book I should look in! Interesting lady: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatema_Mernissi

    Good finds Rashna. Shall we crown you the Queen of Google? Wink

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Hadramaut: Ridda Rebels & Osama bin Laden!
     Reply #2 - April 17, 2009, 08:03 AM

    Abdulwali referred to Mernissi but I thought little of it. Stupid article doesn't have footnotes, so I don't know which book I should look in! Interesting lady: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatema_Mernissi


    Check out her site & see the list of books she's authored, she & Leila Ahmed are the closest Muslim equivalent to Reform Jewish intellectuals:

    www.mernissi.net/

    Good finds Rashna. Shall we crown you the Queen of Google? Wink


    I don't mind!  Narcissist

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hadramaut: Ridda Rebels & Osama bin Laden!
     Reply #3 - April 17, 2009, 08:15 AM

    Check out this book awais & others interested: Smiley

    http://books.google.co.in/books?id=4F-xf-R9vNEC&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=fatima+mernissi+hadramaut+women&source=bl&ots=peKjLxspcd&sig=Ccr-qosf1jVCGqogaD3dkuzf_bM&hl=en&ei=MTroSdjFHYrq6gO4y8HpAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1

    This book describes the Hadramaut rebellion in detail, plus it says that marriage customs in Pre Islamic Saudi were matrilineal, even the Prophet's father Abdullah had a matrilineal alliance with his mother Amina, who stayed on with her own people even after marriage, after her husband's death & her son went to live with his father's kin only after her death.

    It says that while polygamy might've been existent in Pre Islamic Saudi, the virilocal polygamy Muhammad practiced was rare, & men would have different wives whom they'd visit in their homes, while women would similarly often be visited by different husbands. dance


    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hadramaut: Ridda Rebels & Osama bin Laden!
     Reply #4 - April 17, 2009, 08:32 AM

    This article by Fatima Mernissi also raises a number of other important points:

    It says that the earliest Islamic historians like Bukhari(author of Sahih),Ibn Habib Baghdadi(Kitab al Muhabbar) & Ibn Saad( kitab al Takabat)acknowledged a number of marital practices in Pre Islamic Arabia which gave women great self autonomy, while many marriages were patrilineal, others were matrilineal & matrilocal, a woman could dismiss a husband she disliked simply by turning her tent around!

    Ibn Baghdadi's Kitab al Muhabbar devotes an entire chapter to women with great self autonomy, "Who stayed with their husbands because they wanted to, & left them if they so desired, due to their prestigious position (qadrihinna) & high rank.(sharafahunna)," & then mentions a number of such women-with the Prophet's great grandmother Salama bint Amr heading the list.

    The Prophet's own great grandfather Hisham had a matrilineal marriage with Salama bint Amr, who had a child Abd al Muttalib, the Prophet's grandfather, Hisham went away & the child was raised by his mother, when the child's uncle came to fetch him as an adolescent, it took three days of negotiations to get him, & Abd al Muttalib
    said he'd only go with his Uncle if his mother ordered him to.

    Salama bint Amr was described as a woman who because of her noble birth & her high position among her people, would never marry anyone except on the condition that she would remain  her own master & retained the right to dismiss any husband she disliked.(just like her Pre Islamic great grand daughter in law, Khadija!  Smiley)

    Mernissi even claims that a woman's right to divorce-khula was a pre Islamic remnant.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hadramaut: Rebellious Women of Ridda Wars & Osama bin Laden!
     Reply #5 - April 17, 2009, 09:16 AM

    Side note: Hadramowt means "Death has arrived" Grin

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Hadramaut: Rebellious Women of Ridda Wars & Osama bin Laden!
     Reply #6 - April 17, 2009, 09:24 AM

    Side note: Hadramowt means "Death has arrived" Grin


     thnkyu awais!

    Death arrived in Hadramaut when Abu Bakr gruesomely punished Osama's rebellious ancestresses, & with Osama death spread to much of the world! Flamer

    The place couldn't be more aptly named:  great

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hadramaut: Rebellious Women of Ridda Wars & Osama bin Laden!
     Reply #7 - April 17, 2009, 10:14 AM

    Check out this book awais & others interested: Smiley

    http://books.google.co.in/books?id=4F-xf-R9vNEC&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=fatima+mernissi+hadramaut+women&source=bl&ots=peKjLxspcd&sig=Ccr-qosf1jVCGqogaD3dkuzf_bM&hl=en&ei=MTroSdjFHYrq6gO4y8HpAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1

    This book describes the Hadramaut rebellion in detail, plus it says that marriage customs in Pre Islamic Saudi were matrilineal, even the Prophet's father Abdullah had a matrilineal alliance with his mother Amina, who stayed on with her own people even after marriage, after her husband's death & her son went to live with his father's kin only after her death.

    It says that while polygamy might've been existent in Pre Islamic Saudi, the virilocal polygamy Muhammad practiced was rare, & men would have different wives whom they'd visit in their homes, while women would similarly often be visited by different husbands. dance



    Thanks Rashna, interesting book. Are the sources well checked? I might buy it.
  • Re: Hadramaut: Rebellious Women of Ridda Wars & Osama bin Laden!
     Reply #8 - April 17, 2009, 01:23 PM

    Thanks Rashna, interesting book. Are the sources well checked? I might buy it.


    Well, Mernissi is one of the most famous scholars of Islam, I doubt she'd mention stuff without citing her sources.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hadramaut: Rebellious Women of Ridda Wars & Osama bin Laden!
     Reply #9 - April 20, 2009, 01:25 PM

    Thanks Rashna, interesting book. Are the sources well checked? I might buy it.


    Well, Mernissi is one of the most famous scholars of Islam, I doubt she'd mention stuff without citing her sources.

    Nice one Smiley
  • Re: Hadramaut: Ridda Rebels & Osama bin Laden!
     Reply #10 - April 24, 2009, 07:49 AM

    Good finds Rashna. Shall we crown you the Queen of Google? Wink

    I don't mind!  Narcissist


    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Hadramaut: Rebellious Women of Ridda Wars & Osama bin Laden!
     Reply #11 - April 24, 2009, 07:53 AM

    Damn, the girl's 14 not 140.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Hadramaut: Rebellious Women of Ridda Wars & Osama bin Laden!
     Reply #12 - April 24, 2009, 11:21 AM

    could dismiss a husband she disliked simply by turning her tent around!

    Today we call that..."Not tonight...Ive got a headache"  dance
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