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 Topic: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam

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  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #210 - December 30, 2010, 11:19 PM

    Hamza Yusuf - Prophet Muhammad marriage to Aisha

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM4IuDVFL3s&feature=related
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #211 - December 30, 2010, 11:25 PM

    ahhh, the cultural relativism argument, used by Muslims, extremist self-hating left-wingers and anyone who tries to argue in favor of something inhumane...

    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #212 - December 31, 2010, 12:00 AM

    that fool has only high school background and few college courses of nursing., He doesn't understand optical reflections from the  surface of an object..


    No wonder he nurses Islam so well!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #213 - December 31, 2010, 12:04 AM

    No wonder he nurses Islam so well!

    well he should have right to Nurse in Islam and getting nursed from Islam as his faith., but what he doesn't have is the right  to fool people with superficial silly statements..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #214 - December 31, 2010, 12:27 AM

    For someone wel
    ahhh, the cultural relativism argument, used by Muslims, extremist self-hating left-wingers and anyone who tries to argue in favor of something inhumane...


    I know, right? He starts talking about anthropology and cultural relativism and how Muhammad's housemaid even advised him to marry Ayesha. And I couldn't help but shake my head as he initially said "Muhammad was 50 and Ayesha was... young... Muhammad was 49 actually and Ayesha was... very young". He goes on to say that no one questioned this marriage when it is explicity in the hadith that it was questioned.

    Islamic scholars seem to be either so stupid that they cannot understand the arguments/flaws or so intelligent (yet emotionally unable to let go of religion) that they have done all the intellectual somersaults required to satisfy their standpoint, and Yusuf seems to be the latter.
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #215 - December 31, 2010, 12:28 AM

     
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    He goes on to say that no one questioned this marriage

     

    Who would have dared to question it anyway? He was the messenger of God with a propensity to deal with troublesome people in ways that, well, you know how it was.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #216 - December 31, 2010, 12:49 AM

    Lets invent things Yusuf Hamza would say.

    Here we go.

    Does an ant ask if the leaf it carries upon its back is put there by wind or rain? So why do we question if the moon is placed in the sky by an absence of a creator, when it gives light to a traveller at night as only God could?




    I propose:

    "If peanut butter where to have never met chocolate, only then could the atheist be justified in his claims."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJLDF6qZUX0&feature=related

    (We cracked a lot of jokes about this back in the day)

    El bien mas preciado / es la libertad
    hay que defenderla / con fe y valor.
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #217 - December 31, 2010, 12:51 AM

    If only there was extraordinary proof of god, there wouldn't be any atheists.

    I did wudu before entering this website.
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #218 - December 31, 2010, 01:29 AM

    I read this and thought "Wow- somebody gets it !"


    El bien mas preciado / es la libertad
    hay que defenderla / con fe y valor.
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #219 - December 31, 2010, 01:49 AM

    The amazing thing about Hamza is that even though Muslims adore him, his family has not become Muslim except for his one sister. He has seven siblings. None of them have become Muslim. I also heard when I went to California in July, that one of his sister is a lesbian (in fact she is).

    He became Muslim after a dangerous car accident and he got interested in what happens after death and Islam had the most plausible ideas for him. His wife didn't even accept Islam immediately. She did it after two years of marriage. So go figure.

    I did wudu before entering this website.
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #220 - December 31, 2010, 02:18 AM

    So he's saying if there was no light pollution we'd be so in awe of the beauty of the milky way there'd be no atheists?

    Standard 'Ohmygod the beauty of things makes me want to fall to my knees oh my god" stuff.



    LOL. I know atheists in my campus who went camping up north in Canada, and to do some tree planting. It was a 2 month tree planting thing way up north, and they pretty much camped for 2 months. No electricity over there, so seeing the stars is no problem. They came back atheists dance

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #221 - December 31, 2010, 09:28 AM

    If only there was extraordinary proof of god, there wouldn't be any atheists.

    It's not quite that simple. I would still be an atheist. With or without god.
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #222 - December 31, 2010, 09:31 AM

    LOL. I know atheists in my campus who went camping up north in Canada, and to do some tree planting. It was a 2 month tree planting thing way up north, and they pretty much camped for 2 months. No electricity over there, so seeing the stars is no problem. They came back atheists


    Yeah but they went camping with the dajjal.

    He made them coffee and whispered and poured satanic urine in their ears.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #223 - December 31, 2010, 09:33 AM

    The amazing thing about Hamza is that even though Muslims adore him, his family has not become Muslim except for his one sister. He has seven siblings. None of them have become Muslim. I also heard when I went to California in July, that one of his sister is a lesbian (in fact she is).

    He became Muslim after a dangerous car accident and he got interested in what happens after death and Islam had the most plausible ideas for him. His wife didn't even accept Islam immediately. She did it after two years of marriage. So go figure.


    I wonder how he squares what Islam says is going to happen to his family when they pass away, being subject to the most sadistic and horrible pain, or how it relegates them in human worth, with his love for his nearest and dearest.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #224 - December 31, 2010, 09:35 AM

    He made them coffee and whispered and poured satanic urine in their ears.

    Why is Islam so obsessed with watersports?
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #225 - December 31, 2010, 09:47 AM

    I dunno but I think it was here somewhere someone said something about a story of how jinns pee in your ear or something and I got it from that Grin

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #226 - December 31, 2010, 09:53 AM

    I dunno but I think it was here somewhere someone said something about a story of how jinns pee in your ear or something and I got it from that Grin

    It's in Hadith:
    Satan urinates in people's ears -- Volume 4, Book 54, Number 492:

    Narrated 'Abdullah: It was mentioned before the Prophet that there was a man who slept the night till morning (after sunrise). The Prophet said, "He is a man in whose ears (or ear) Satan had urinated."

    But I do find it curious that Mo specifically used a watersports reference here.  Wink
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #227 - December 31, 2010, 09:57 AM

     wacko

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #228 - December 31, 2010, 11:14 AM

    it is allegorical piss taken out of context. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #229 - December 31, 2010, 11:18 AM


     Grin

    La Ilaha Ill Allah Muhammadur Rasool Allah and Everything You Say About Islam Is Out Of Context

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #230 - December 31, 2010, 12:12 PM

    Why is Islam so obsessed with watersports?


    And farting ! I was asked that by another atheist. I have read so many (mostly passing references) about jinns pissing in peoples ears and hair, farting & wudu references, and other stuff involving pissing and farting. I was baffled and  wondered what that was all about too.

    El bien mas preciado / es la libertad
    hay que defenderla / con fe y valor.
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #231 - December 31, 2010, 12:24 PM

     

    But I do find it curious that Mo specifically used a watersports reference here. Wink

    I have STRONG doubt., Muhammad..Prophet of Islam said that ., These Early Muslim Bedouin baboons after his death added so much of junk like that., it is almost impossible to figure out what Muhammad actually  said in those last 13 years his Islamic quest...

    The guy Muhammad came out of fairly well to do and well educated family., And his first wife also comes from well to do well respected family of that time.

    I say,  all this piss/shit/clean the nose 5 times a day added after his death in to Islam..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #232 - December 31, 2010, 12:52 PM

    I say,  all this piss/shit/clean the nose 5 times a day added after his death in to Islam..


    Why do you think that happened ? A reflection on the people who added this stuff ?

    El bien mas preciado / es la libertad
    hay que defenderla / con fe y valor.
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #233 - December 31, 2010, 01:12 PM

    If only there was extraordinary proof of god, there wouldn't be any atheists.

    Any ordinary proof will do

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  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #234 - December 31, 2010, 01:41 PM

    He became Muslim after a dangerous car accident and he got interested in what happens after death and Islam had the most plausible ideas for him.


    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #235 - December 31, 2010, 03:56 PM

    Islamic scholars seem to be either so stupid that they cannot understand the arguments/flaws or so intelligent (yet emotionally unable to let go of religion) that they have done all the intellectual somersaults required to satisfy their standpoint, and Yusuf seems to be the latter.

    They usually are intelligent, but brainwashed. Their intelligence is used to maintain their own "washed brain" and the wash the brains of other gullible people... Cultural Relativism is a double edged sword since it can be used for ANYTHING, meaning Female Genital Mutilation, Wife Beating, Incest, Ritual Cannibalism, Widow Burning, Witch Burning etc etc... In a world with Universal Rights there is no place for Cultural Relativism... Its either one or the other...

    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #236 - January 01, 2011, 04:51 AM

    I just read this quote by Bertrand Russell that I feel describes Hamza Yusuf:

    The immense majority of intellectually eminent men disbelieve in Christian religion, but they conceal the fact in public, because they are afraid of losing their incomes.

    I did wudu before entering this website.
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #237 - January 01, 2011, 07:26 PM

    Their intelligence is used to maintain their own "washed brain" and the wash the brains of other gullible people...

    Almost sig worthy.

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #238 - January 01, 2011, 11:39 PM

    From Hamza's latest blog entry:

    God's Wikileaks:
    http://sandalaproductions.com/Blog/22-gods-wikileaks-ready-or-not-all-secrets-will-be-revealed.aspx

    Quote
    To God belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and the day on which the end of time will happen, a day on which prattlers will lose out. And you will see every people kneeling; every people will be summoned to its record: "Today you are being repaid for what you used to do. This record of Ours speaks about you in truth; for We have been transcribing what you have been doing." As for those who believed and did good works, their Lord will admit them into divine mercy. That is the evident success. And as for those who scoffed, were not My signs recited to you, yet you were arrogant, and were sinning people? And when it has been said that the promise of God is true, and there is no doubt about the end of time, you have said, "We do not understand what the end of time is; we suppose it merely speculation, and we cannot be sure." And the evils they did will be manifest to them, and what they used to sneer at will have surrounded them.

    .

    Quote
    The Prophet, peace be upon him, wanted to keep private an opinion he had shared with Zaid, his ward and companion, about Zaid's difficult marriage that the Prophet, peace be upon him, had facilitated. However, the Qur'an revealed the confidential statement he had made to Zaid: "Remember how you said to the one God had blessed and you had favored, 'Keep your wife and be conscious of God,' then you kept to yourself what God would reveal, as you feared the people, though God is more worthy of your fear" (33:37). The Prophet, peace be upon him, did nothing sinful in wanting to conceal the conversation he had with Zaid. He was concerned that people would attack his character if they learned of his impending marriage to Zaynab, who was married at that time to his "adopted" son (through a pre-Islamic form of adoption that the Qur'an would later proscribe). People were unaware that Zaid and Zaynab's marriage was an unhappy one because Zaynab wanted to be wed to the Prophet, peace be upon him, and had only accepted the marriage to Zaid due to the Prophet's request of her to do so. So the Prophet, peace be upon him, had kept the matter quiet for fear that if people knew, it would detract from and undermine his essential spiritual message to the people. However, the Qur'an "leaked" this private conversation to the people through the very source of the conversation. Aishah said about the above verse, "Had the Prophet hidden anything from his revelation, it would have been this verse due to the heavy impact it had upon him." This "leak" was clearly designed to reveal the utter sincerity of the Prophet, peace be upon him, and his complete and total truthfulness and transparency about his own personal life as well as everything revealed to him.


    Comments?

    I did wudu before entering this website.
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #239 - January 01, 2011, 11:48 PM


    The use of the word 'prattlers' in this Quran excerpt is very funny, because that is exactly what he is. But it is used as a term of hostility for those who speak too much against Allah, and it is full of derision and of course, the big man in the sky is so upset by the trivial that he is at pains to punish them for their arrogance for not worshipping him.

    It is basic stuff - Allah and Judgment - god as trial, jury and executioner, a nightmare of a fascist, Kafka-esque system elevated as divinity. And thats the jump off point for this rather pompous, confused reflection.

    The rest of it comes across to me as the ramblings of something of a mad man, equating the sins exposed by wikileaks to the sins and secrets that cannot be hidden from Allah (and remember as he says disbelief is one of those sins)

    I liked this paragraph:

    Quote
    Perhaps if some of those apathetic and ill-informed people in America addicted to the pipes of the pied piper leading them into the cave of shadows and ignorance would forgo seeing Jackass in 3D and other mindless films at the multiplex and actually pay attention to these developments, some good might come of it.

     

    Simultaneously bitter, confused, cliched metaphors, contempt and wrathful. Hamza Yusuf is of a piece with any other dipshit Christian evangelist fundamentalist end-of-times preacher.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

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