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  • Question: Islam Prefers Cats & Despises Dogs, What Do you Prefer?  (Voting closed: April 29, 2009, 06:17 PM)
  • I prefer cats as Islam says - 1 (5%)
  • I prefer cats but not because of Islam - 7 (35%)
  • I prefer Dogs - 5 (25%)
  • I dislike both - 1 (5%)
  • I like both equally - 5 (25%)
  • Don't care - 1 (5%)
  • Total Voters: 20

 Topic: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!

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  • Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     OP - April 24, 2009, 09:53 AM

    The debate over whether cats or dogs make better pets has raged on for millennia, with some preferring cats & some dogs.

    However, Islam, the faith which likes to discriminate between men & women & believers & non believers-also discriminates against dogs, while preferring cats!

    Here it is said why dogs are impure, how they shouldn't be kept as pets, & blessings are reduced for touching dogs! Angry

    Some anti dog(& anti women) hadiths! finmad

    Volume 1, Book 9, Number 490:
    Narrated 'Aisha:
    The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people)." I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away. for I disliked to face him."  


    Muslim 1032: "I said: O Abu Dharr, what feature is there in a black dog which distinguish it from the red dog and the yellow dog? He said: "O, son of my brother, I asked the Messenger of Allah as you are asking me and he said, "The black dog is evil."   

    Bukhari 843: "Once Gabriel promised to visit the Prophet but he delayed and the Prophet got worried about that. At last he came out and found Gabriel and complained to him of his grief (for his delay). Gabriel said to him, "We do not enter a place in which there is a picture or a dog."

    Bukhari 2839 (note): "The Prophet did not order the killing of all dogs, for some are to be retained for hunting and watching. He ordered to kill the jet black ones. They might be more mischievous among them."

    So even the Prophet realises the usefulness of man's best friend for hunting & watching & some dogs are to be retained for that purpose!  Roll Eyes But black dogs are to be slaughtered!

    However, just look at Islam's double standards when it comes to cats!

    Quote from: muttaqun.com

    Hadith - Muwatta 2.13
    Yahya related to me from Malik from Ishaq ibn Abdullah ibn Abi Talha from Humayda bint Abi Ubayda ibn Farwa that her maternal aunt Kabsha bint Kab ibn Malik, who was the wife of the son of Abu Qatada al-Ansari, told her that once Abu Qatada was visiting her and she poured out some water for him to do wudu with. Just then a cat came to drink from it, so he tilted the vessel towards it to let it drink. Kabsha continued, "He saw me looking at him and said, 'Are you surprised, daughter of my brother?' I said, 'Yes.' He replied that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, cats are not impure. They intermingle with you .' "
    Yahya said that Malik said, "There is no harm in that unless one sees impurities on the cat's mouth."

    Hadith - Muslim, Narrated 'Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin   
    Dawud ibn Salih ibn Dinar at-Tammar quoted his mother as saying that her mistress sent her with some pudding (harisah) to Aisha who was offering prayer. She made a sign to me to place it down. A cat came and ate some of it, but when Aisha finished her prayer, she ate from the place where the cat had eaten. She stated: The Messenger of Allah  said: It is not unclean: it is one of those who go round among you. She added: I saw the Messenger of Allah  performing ablution from the water left over by the cat.

     

    However, the same Messenger of Allah had instructed that a vessel from which a dog has eaten has to be washed seven times.

    Hadith - Muwatta 2.36
    Yahya related to me from Malik from Abu'z-Zinad from al-Araj from Abu Hurayra that the Messenger of Allah  said, "If a dog drinks from your vessel, wash it seven times."


    We can see why some cats would consider converting to IslamWink
    Seriously, wasn?t it sufficient for Allah & His supposed messenger to prefer men to women & believers to unbelievers? Did they need to extend their double standards to cats & dogs as well? MSinghK






    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #1 - April 24, 2009, 10:02 AM

    Isn't there also a hadith that states an angel will not come to the house where there is a dog or garlic? I cant remember which it was (or if it's just my imagination), do you know it Rashna?
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #2 - April 24, 2009, 10:06 AM

    Isn't there also a hadith that states an angel will not come to the house where there is a dog or garlic? I cant remember which it was (or if it's just my imagination), do you know it Rashna?


    My grandpa told me the hadith about garlic, he didn't mention dog in that. I'll lookup. Smiley


    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #3 - April 24, 2009, 10:06 AM

    There is, but your combining two. Angels don't enter the house with dogs or pictures, and in the masjid they don't like the stink of a person who ate garlic .

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #4 - April 24, 2009, 10:12 AM

    Oh. I must be remembering it wrong then.
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #5 - April 24, 2009, 10:27 AM

    I'd found it -

    Quote
    Volume 1, Book 12, Number 812:
    Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

    During the holy battle of Khaibar the Prophet said, "Whoever ate from this plant (i.e. garlic) should not enter our mosque."

    Volume 1, Book 12, Number 813:
    Narrated 'Ata':

    I heard Jabir bin 'Abdullah saying, "The Prophet said, 'Whoever eats (from) this plant (he meant garlic) should keep away from our mosque." I said, "What does he mean by that?" He replied, "I think he means only raw garlic."

    Volume 1, Book 12, Number 814:
    Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

    The Prophet said, "Whoever eats garlic or onion should keep away from our mosque or should remain in his house." (Jabir bin 'Abdullah, in another narration said, "Once a big pot containing cooked vegetables was brought. On finding unpleasant smell coming from it, the Prophet asked, 'What is in it?' He was told all the names of the vegetables that were in it. The Prophet ordered that it should be brought near to some of his companions who were with him. When the Prophet saw it he disliked to eat it and said, 'Eat. (I don't eat) for I converse with those whom you don't converse with (i.e. the angels)."

    Volume 1, Book 12, Number 815:
    Narrated 'Abdul 'Aziz:

    A man asked Anas, "What did you hear from the Prophet about garlic?" He said, "The Prophet said, 'Whoever has eaten this plant should neither come near us nor pray with us."

    Volume 7, Book 65, Number 362:
    Narrated 'Abdul 'Aziz:

    It was said to Anas "What did you hear the Prophet saying about garlic?" Anas replied, "Whoever has eaten (garlic) should not approach our mosque."

    Volume 7, Book 65, Number 363:
    Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

    The Prophet said, "Whoever has eaten garlic or onion should keep away from us (or should keep away from our mosque).'



    Number 813 probably isn't authentic when you look at 814. Mo is quite strange however :\ Why would an angel care if your breath is smelly?

    I swear I remember one where it mentions the dog and garlic/onions in the same hadith.
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #6 - April 24, 2009, 10:32 AM

    Number 813 probably isn't authentic when you look at 814. Mo is quite strange however :\ Why would an angel care if your breath is smelly?

    I swear I remember one where it mentions the dog and garlic/onions in the same hadith.


    Actually, angels probably wouldn't care but other people in the mosque might find bad breath offensive, right?  Wink

    Or if angels can smell, or worse if they have a better sense of smell than humans, like dogs have, they might intensely dislike stinky breath!  vomit

    Mo claims to have met Angel Jibreel, maybe Jibreel told him that angels hate bad breath, how many angels have you met Peruvian?  grin12

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #7 - April 24, 2009, 10:37 AM

    Mo claims to have met Angel Jibreel, maybe Jibreel told him that angels hate bad breath, how many angels have you met Peruvian?  grin12

    I am an angel Angelic I don't mind dogs or garlic, Jibby is just being nitpicky Tongue
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #8 - April 24, 2009, 10:44 AM

    Just look at Muhammad's double standards in these hadiths:  furious


    Hadith - Bukhari 3:553, Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar  [Also in Muslim, Narrated Abu Huraira]

    Allah's Apostle  said, "A woman was tortured and was put in Hell because of a cat which she had kept locked till it died of hunger." Allah's Apostle further said, "(Allah knows better) Allah said (to the woman), 'You neither fed it nor watered when you locked it up, nor did you set it free to eat the insects of the earth."

    So cats have to be fed & looked after... well thats' good but in case of dogs:

    Bukhari 2839 (note): "The Prophet did not order the killing of all dogs, for some are to be retained for hunting and watching. He ordered to kill the jet black ones. They might be more mischievous among them."

    Some dogs should be kept alive for hunting & watching, but others & especially jet black ones are to be killed!  finmad

    Seems Islam, the color blind faith also discriminates against black dogs!  Grin


    And another discrimination here:

    Hadith - Muslim, Narrated 'Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin    
    Dawud ibn Salih ibn Dinar at-Tammar quoted his mother as saying that her mistress sent her with some pudding (harisah) to Aisha who was offering prayer. She made a sign to me to place it down. A cat came and ate some of it, but when Aisha finished her prayer, she ate from the place where the cat had eaten. She stated: The Messenger of Allah  said: It is not unclean: it is one of those who go round among you.

    Hadith - Muwatta 2.36
    Yahya related to me from Malik from Abu'z-Zinad from al-Araj from Abu Hurayra that the Messenger of Allah  said, "If a dog drinks from your vessel, wash it seven times."

    So one can immediately eat from vessels from which cats have eaten, but one has to wash a vessel from which a dog has eaten 7 times! w00t





    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #9 - April 24, 2009, 10:48 AM

    Mo claims to have met Angel Jibreel, maybe Jibreel told him that angels hate bad breath, how many angels have you met Peruvian?  grin12

    I am an angel Angelic I don't mind dogs or garlic, Jibby is just being nitpicky Tongue


    I can quite believe you're an angel Peruvian  far away hug, unfortunately the more I read about Allah & Muhammad, the more they seem like a pair of Devils, once in a while Mo might say a few sweet stuff about cats, thats' again overshadowed by his discrimination towards dogs! GoodVsBad

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #10 - April 24, 2009, 10:57 AM

    And another discrimination here:

    Hadith - Muslim, Narrated 'Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin    
    Dawud ibn Salih ibn Dinar at-Tammar quoted his mother as saying that her mistress sent her with some pudding (harisah) to Aisha who was offering prayer. She made a sign to me to place it down. A cat came and ate some of it, but when Aisha finished her prayer, she ate from the place where the cat had eaten. She stated: The Messenger of Allah  said: It is not unclean: it is one of those who go round among you.

    Hadith - Muwatta 2.36
    Yahya related to me from Malik from Abu'z-Zinad from al-Araj from Abu Hurayra that the Messenger of Allah  said, "If a dog drinks from your vessel, wash it seven times."

    So one can immediately eat from vessels from which cats have eaten, but one has to wash a vessel from which a dog has eaten 7 times! w00t

    Cat's carry diseases, he could've made her ill, well done Mo!
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #11 - April 24, 2009, 10:58 AM

    Mo claims to have met Angel Jibreel, maybe Jibreel told him that angels hate bad breath, how many angels have you met Peruvian?  grin12

    I am an angel Angelic I don't mind dogs or garlic, Jibby is just being nitpicky Tongue


    I can quite believe you're an angel Peruvian  far away hug, unfortunately the more I read about Allah & Muhammad, the more they seem like a pair of Devils, once in a while Mo might say a few sweet stuff about cats, thats' again overshadowed by his discrimination towards dogs! GoodVsBad

    God is really evil but he has twisted the story around and made us to be the bad guys :( The dude's insanely powermad  wacko
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #12 - April 24, 2009, 11:10 AM

    You didnt put the choice of liking both cats and dogs  Cry that would be me.

    I find it interesting that you can eat from a bowl that a cat ate from...but not one a dog ate from without washing it first...meanwhile they both lick their butts  Roll Eyes

    I read Khalid Al Fadl's paper on the reason dogs have such a bad rep...apparently there was an outbreak of rabies at some point and dogs were killed generally to keep the disease under control...people became fearful of dogs and rumors started which lead from one thing to another and suddenly....viola!!! hadith against owning dogs and that they are unclean. funny how that works (sounds plausible as well considering dogs are mentioned favorable in the Quran and in a few hadith)  whistling2
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #13 - April 24, 2009, 12:02 PM

    Well, cats carry many diseases as well! MSinghK

    Besides why does Mo hate black dogs more than others?  Huh?

    Bukhari 2839 (note): "The Prophet did not order the killing of all dogs, for some are to be retained for hunting and watching. He ordered to kill the jet black ones. They might be more mischievous among them."

    Are black dogs more rabies prone?  Tongue



    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #14 - April 24, 2009, 12:06 PM

    Black creatures in general are more prone to become possessed by Jinn.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #15 - April 24, 2009, 12:08 PM

    Black creatures in general are more prone to become possessed by Jinn.


    Which hadith says that?

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  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #16 - April 24, 2009, 12:10 PM

    I like cats. I like dogs too, but I like cats more on the whole. Really I like most critters as long as they aren't trying to eat me and don't shit on the carpet. This includes humans.

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  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #17 - April 24, 2009, 12:15 PM

    Black creatures in general are more prone to become possessed by Jinn.


    Which hadith says that?

    I don't recall. Perhaps it was from a fatwa, or "Ibn Taymiyyah's essay on the Jinn". Something about black being a color that preserves and attracts heat, being advantageous for Jinn, who are made from fire.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #18 - April 24, 2009, 12:27 PM

     thnkyu awais! The "Queen of the Internet" has found Ibn Taymiyyah's essay on the jinn!   Wink


    Quote from: Ibn Taymeeyah's essay
    Ibn Taymeeyah also quoted another mystic master who admitted that he used to fornicate with women and sodomise young boys. The former mystic master said, "A black dog ["Abu Dharr reported: The Messanger of Allaah said: 'When any one of you stands for prayer it should be towards something that shields him equivalent (in height) to the back of a saddle, otherwise his prayer will be broken by passing of a donkey, a woman or a black dog.'

    I asked 'O Abu Dharr, what is the difference between a black dog, a red dog and tan-colored dog?' He replied, 'O son of my brother, I also asked Allaah's Messanger as you are asking me, and he said: 'The black dog is a devil.'" (Saheeh Muslim and all other in the six Saheeh books with the exception of Saheeh al-Bukhaaree)] with two white spots between his eyes would come to me and say, 'Verily such and such a person has made an oath by you and he will come to you tomorrow to inform you about it. I have already fulfilled his need for your sake.'

     The person would then come to him the next day and the Sufi master would reveal the details of his oath to him and how it was fulfilled. The Sufi master went on to say, 'I used to walk about the city and a black pole with a light on top of it would lead the way.' " Ibn Taymeeyah said, "When the Sufi master repented and began to pray, fast, and avoid the forbidden, the black dog went away." He also narrated the following about another mystic master who had the aid of devils whom he would despatch to possess people: "When the family of the possessed would come to him seeking a cure, he would send a message to his demon companion and they would leave the possessed persons, as a result, the Shaykh would be given many dirhams for his services. Sometimes the Jinn would bring him dirhams and food which they stole from people, so much so that the Shaykh would request dates from his devils and they would take them from beehives in which some people had hidden their dates. When the beehive owners would look for their dates they would find them gone."


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  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #19 - April 24, 2009, 12:40 PM

    It's from elsewhere in the essay not in that selection.

    http://talk.islamicnetwork.com/archive/index.php/t-8416.html
    Quote from: Sitt ad-Daar
    Ibnu Taymiyyah considers all black animals to fall under that catagory although the black dogs are the jinns favorite type... you can find this in his essay on jinns...

    Got this random guy to back me up! Grin

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  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #20 - April 24, 2009, 01:14 PM

    There's no option for like both equally.   Cry

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #21 - April 24, 2009, 01:16 PM

    You can't fix that as a mod? Wink

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  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #22 - April 24, 2009, 01:17 PM

    I can, but I don't want to interfere with Rashna's poll. 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #23 - April 24, 2009, 01:19 PM

    In addition to the dislike for dogs there is also the dislike for Salamanders

    SB 54:526, the Prophet ordered her to kill Salamanders.  

    Lizards, in Muhammad's Arabia, feared no better either. Actually one was rewarded by Allah for killing the defenceless creature. If a death blow could be accomplished with just one strike the reward would be one hundred virtues. Additional strikes would loose you points though:

    SM 26:5564 Allah's Messenger said: He who killed a gecko (lizard) with the first stroke, for him is ordained one hundred virtues, and with the second stroke one less than that and with the third one less than that.

    There is no reasoning behind this decree by Muhammad, but one would suppose Allah created geckos as a menace to society and placed in them rewards for mankind if they could successfully club them to death with a minimum of blows.

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  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #24 - April 24, 2009, 04:00 PM

    Quote from: a.ghazali
    There is no reasoning behind this decree by Muhammad, but one would suppose Allah created geckos as a menace to society and placed in them rewards for mankind if they could successfully club them to death with a minimum of blows.

    Like the Koopas of Mario Bros? Poor old Mo was probably scared shitless of lizards.

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  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #25 - April 24, 2009, 04:24 PM

     Huh? Well thats a little odd...Salamanders and Lizards are two completely different things...not sure your likely to find salamdanders in Sauid (dont quote me on that) and considering lizards are the insect populations controllers of the world  Afro why the hell should we be running around swiping at them with out sandals (which ive seen seemingly rabid Arabs do many many times over the years insisting they are performing a Sunnah act)...poor lizards.  Cry

    btw I ABSOLUTELY freak out these people when I CATCH ONE and show it to them  dance you would think I had caught a deadly snake or...communicable disease....   Roll Eyes

    depending on my current company (whether they are being a bore or pain in my ass) helps me decide whether lizard catching is something I have to do RIGHT NOW  whistling2  dance
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #26 - April 24, 2009, 04:26 PM

    salamdanders in Sauid   Huh?

    or rather salamanders in Saudi...you know what I mean  Wink
  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #27 - April 24, 2009, 06:54 PM

    I love cats because they don't act like mindless slaves like dogs Tongue

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  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #28 - April 24, 2009, 07:51 PM

    I love cats because they don't act like mindless slaves like dogs Tongue


    Agreed!  Plus, they don't stink and they don't feel compelled to slobber all over you like dogs do.

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  • Re: Cats v. Dogs! Another Islamic Discrimination & Double Standard!!
     Reply #29 - April 24, 2009, 08:23 PM

    I love cats because they don't act like mindless slaves like dogs Tongue

    Yeh. Cats have attitude. You give a dog an order and it's like "Yes boss. Right away, boss." In fact I sometimes think some people get dogs because they like giving orders. A cat will just look at you like "Who are you?" and walk off. 

    I remember reading that quite a few famous megalomaniacs couldn't stand cats. Hitler, Napoleon, Alexander and a few others. This doesn't mean that all dog owners are megalomaniacs because I know a lot of them aren't. It does mean megalomaniacs hate critters that don't follow orders, regardless of how many legs they have.

    The other things I like about cats are they really know how to relax and they're sensuous critters. They're just plain decadent. Basically, they're a bit like me.  Cheesy

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