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  • The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     OP - April 24, 2009, 12:58 PM


    السلام عليكم

    لو عندك شبهه كبرى حول الاسلام فلو سمحت ابعتها لى وسوف ارد لك عليها باذن الله
    ولا تحاول ان تضل الناس بالباطل بدلآ من ان تصبح عبرة مثل قوم عاد وفرعون

    هناك ايه فى القرأن الكريم تقول (وانزلنا الحديد فيه بأس شديد ) واكتشف العلماء الان بعد 1400 سنة ان الحديد لم يكن موجود على الارض بل هو انزل الى الارض من الفضاء الخارجى والنيازك

    i am egyptian too ,, if you have a huge suspicions about the islam , please send it to me an i will reply insha allah

    please see this carefully

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpvvDQ_R9w4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j72ZB-26RU&feature=channel_page

    http://www.ebnmaryam.com/web/

    والسلام عليكم
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #1 - April 24, 2009, 12:59 PM

    This is what he said:

    Assalamu Alaykum,

    If you have major doubts about Islam, then please send them to me and I will reply to you inshallah and don't try and misguide people with falsehood lest you become a warning like the people of 'Ad and Pharoah

    There is a verse in the Noble Qur'an that says "And we sent down iron, wherein is mighty power" (57:25) and the scholars have now discovered after 1400 years that Iron is not found on earth but it fell to earth from outer space and Meteorites

    Please see this carefully
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #2 - April 24, 2009, 01:00 PM

    My reply:

    Dear zebooelgamed

    Thank you for your PM. I do not hold discussions through PMs on Youtube.

    But you are welcome to visit:

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com

    And discuss with me and I will start a thread for you.

    Regarding the verse about Iron - it was actually known before Muhammad.

    You might find this video interesting:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKy122yIKik

    Best wishes,

    Hassan.
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #3 - April 24, 2009, 01:13 PM

    Don't you love the way he tries to convince me Islam is true and that it knew Iron came from the sky before scientists did - while sending me videos taking the piss out of Christianity.

    LOL...
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #4 - April 24, 2009, 01:15 PM

    Because if we're not muslims we must surely be masee7eeyeen! Roll Eyes

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #5 - April 24, 2009, 01:19 PM

    Why is he criticising Christianity? What has that got to do with anything?
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #6 - April 24, 2009, 01:20 PM

    Because if we're not muslims we must surely be masee7eeyeen! Roll Eyes


    He warns me about criticising Islam ("misguiding" ppl) and wants me to take his religion seriously - while at the same time mock other ppls religion.

    Don't you just love religious ppl lol
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #7 - April 24, 2009, 01:44 PM

    Hmmm... I wonder if this guy is Ahmed? Any thoughts?

    He left this comment on my channel:

    zebooelgamed
    كس امك يا ابو على
    طالما انك عرفت الحقيقة كما تدعى يا قذر
    إذآ خليك فى نفسك وانت سعيد بالالحاد
    انما انك تحاول تكفير الناس فسوف تصلى سعيرآ لان الاسلام هو الحق وسوف تجد ذلك عند الموت

    (Trans: Kos Ommak (Your mum's pussy) Oh Abu Ali as long as you know the truth as you claim - Oh dirty one - then keep it to yourself and be happy with your atheism but you try to make other people disbelieve. As a result you will burn in a scorching fire because Islam is the truth and you will find that out at death.)
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #8 - April 24, 2009, 03:28 PM

    Just be careful Hassan ... there are a lot of crazies out there, especially on the Internet.
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #9 - April 24, 2009, 08:10 PM

    The guy is ill-informed. Yes, some iron is meteoric. That has been known for ages, long before Islam. However the vast majority of Earth's iron is not meteoric in origin so this:

    Quote
    There is a verse in the Noble Qur'an that says "And we sent down iron, wherein is mighty power" (57:25) and the scholars have now discovered after 1400 years that Iron is not found on earth but it fell to earth from outer space and Meteorites


    is total rubbish.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #10 - April 25, 2009, 12:21 AM

    Hmmm... I wonder if this guy is Ahmed? Any thoughts?

    Doubt it, Ahmed Bahgat has his own youtube channel.

    Quote
    "And we sent down iron, wherein is mighty power" (57:25) and the scholars have now discovered after 1400 years that Iron is not found on earth but it fell to earth from outer space and Meteorites

    The same can be said of almost every element, there is no element heavier than lithium except which is formed in stars.

    And yes, primitive people knew iron came from the sky, meteoric iron was the only iron source for desert nomads and Inuit people. In fact this verse could be considered in error, as it implies iron was sent down to the surface of the earth while forgetting earth's vast core of liquid iron/iron sulfide.

    "It may happen that the enemies of Islam may consider it expedient not to take any action against Islam, if Islam leaves them alone in their geographical boundaries... But Islam cannot agree to this unless they submit to its authority by paying Jizyah"

    -Sayyid Qutb, Milestones
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #11 - April 25, 2009, 04:53 AM

    Don't you love the way he tries to convince me Islam is true and that it knew Iron came from the sky before scientists did - while sending me videos taking the piss out of Christianity.

    LOL...


    The verse in question means that Iron was sent down by GOD and it doesnt actually mean that iron came from space. This stupid claim has already been debunked.

    HEre is what hector wrote:


    Quote from: Hector
    his is an illogical premise. The word anzalna/anzala is used 88 times in the Quran. It is also used for
    cattle: 39:06
    garments: 7:26
    food/sustenance: 10:59; 45:05; 2:57; 7:160
    people of the book: 33:26
    water/rain: 20:164; 16:10; 35:27; 14:32; 22:05; 25:48; 6:99; 16:65; 39:21; 20:53; 41:39; 31:10; 13:17; 22:63; 2:22; 27:60; 23:18; 78:14

    None of these things come from outer space or heaven. Does it mean that cattle, garments, food, and the people of the book also come from supernovae? No, it doesn?t. So, why assume that surah 57:26 literally states that iron came from outer space? Why assume the literal meaning with respect to iron but the figurative meaning when referring to everything else? The only logical explanation for the use of the term ?anzalna? that is consistent with all its occurrences in the Quran is to denote something provided by a deity, mechanism unknown. To selectively assign ?origination from supernovae? to iron but not to cattle, garments, food, and the people of the book, without evidence as to why one should use the literal versus the figurative interpretation is mere supposition, or special mystical interpretation, and thus utter nonsense.






    The truth is that most such Islamist claims are made by Islamists ignorant of prior knowledge by other peoples. The ?iron sent down from heaven? proposition is not distinct to Islam nor was the Islamic version the earliest. The ancient Egyptians referred to iron as ?iron from heaven?. http://jamaica.u.arizona.edu/ic/mse257/class_notes/iron_intro.html Thus the concept of iron from outer space/heaven/sky was already known to humanity thousands of years before Islam.

    Quote
    The Egyptians called iron 'the metal of heaven' or ba-en-pet, which indicates that the first specimen employed were of meteoric origin; the Babylonian name having the same meaning. It was no doubt on account of its rarity that iron was prized so highly by the early Egyptians, while its celestial source would have its fascination.


    http://www.touregypt.net/science.htm

    Quote
    Certainly the ancient Egyptians were aware of meteoritic iron, but uncomfortably for the archaeologists, the evidence suggests that by a very early date in their history they were already sophisticated enough to differentiate between different types of iron. Loadstones were called `res mehit ba', meaning `north-south iron', and Plutarch quotes Manetho as differentiating loadstones from non-magnetic iron, calling the former `Bone of Osiris', and the latter `Bone of Typhon', (being the Greek version of Set).3

    Robert H O'Connell in 1983 translated the coffin text Spell 148, which refers to meteoritic impact as being integral to the conception of Horus. `?the blast of a meteorite such that gods fear, Isis awoke pregnant by the seed of her brother Osiris!?.5 Even earlier, in 1911, Wallis Budge translated a text from the time of Pepi II (circa 2278- 2184 BC) which speaks of `the iron which came from Set, and was in the forearm of Set; it transferred to the deceased the power of the eye of Horus'.6 As the constellation of the Great Bear was considered to be the abode of Set, we can reasonably conclude that at least one iron-bearing meteorite came from this direction early in the Old Kingdom. And if we were to conclude that the ascension of Horus came about during the unification of the two lands, we would be able to postulate that this unification came about during a period of meteoritic activity.


    The evidence then, seems to support the notion that the ancient Egyptians were aware of iron, and probably viewed it as a heavenly substance.

    http://www.gizagrid.com/body_egyptian_iron.html

    As stated previously, this belief is also shared by the Mesopotamians.

    Quote
    The supreme god Anu personified a planet which had exploded; hence the fact that his name meant ?Heaven?, and hence the fact that meteoritic iron was known in Sumer as ?the essence of Anu?.


    http://www.eridu.co.uk/Author/human_origins/AAS_Intro2/Sitchin_Message/sitchin_message.html






  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #12 - May 11, 2009, 11:56 AM

    Hi zebooelgamed,

    I can see that you have sent me a friend request.

    Yet you have previously sent me this message:

    كس امك يا ابو على
    طالما انك عرفت الحقيقة كما تدعى يا قذر
    إذآ خليك فى نفسك وانت سعيد بالالحاد
    انما انك تحاول تكفير الناس فسوف تصلى سعيرآ لان الاسلام هو الحق وسوف تجد ذلك عند الموت

    I am just wondering why you want to be my friend now?

    Anyway, I have accepted your friend request.

    Best wishes,

    Hassan.

  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #13 - May 11, 2009, 12:19 PM

    When you accept someone as friend on youtube it's easier for them to spam you with all the vids they think you ought to see Cheesy.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #14 - May 11, 2009, 12:22 PM

    When you accept someone as friend on youtube it's easier for them to spam you with all the vids they think you ought to see Cheesy.


    oh i know lol i get loads of vids sent to me by a whole spectrum of ppl lol
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #15 - May 11, 2009, 02:21 PM

    I think it might be also worth mentioning that we all came from outer space; the sea, the mountains, grains of sand, our blood, finger nails, hair, everything in our little world was formed out of cause and effectual changes that have always been in process.

    Everything our bodies are made of, the elements that make up our physical selves were formed or had origins in the early universe we see today, formed out of massive stars that burned too quickly and explodined in a huge way, hence creating the effects we see today, which inturn are still developing. Nothing stays the same.

    Peace, Glen.


     far away hug
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #16 - May 11, 2009, 02:27 PM

    And also think all matter was connected. I used to be part of you, and the twin towers, and the ka'aba, niagra falls, the dodo bird, the sun, the milky way, we were all connected once  dance

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #17 - May 11, 2009, 02:34 PM

    very true awais!

    We have a lot in common with those bit of iron sent from heaven!
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #18 - May 11, 2009, 11:59 PM

    By the way, there are a couple of interesting things about iron. The first is that it is the heaviest element that can be made in stars without them going supernova. In other words the elements up to iron in the periodic table (apart from the lightest, hydrogen) can all be made by fusion of the preceding elements during a star's normal life, assuming of course that the star in question is large enough. Small stars don't get to synthesise the heavier elements and get stuck at helium  IIRC.

    The other interesting thing about iron is that it is the most stable element in terms of radioactive decay. Consequently it is likely to be the last thing left in the universe.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #19 - May 12, 2009, 08:32 AM

    All very intersting stuff!!

    Hey lets not forget that iron can be found in a much closer place too...in our bodies!!  dance
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #20 - May 12, 2009, 08:35 AM

    Which is why octopuseseses have green blood.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #21 - May 12, 2009, 12:31 PM

    Hmmm... I wonder if this guy is Ahmed? Any thoughts?

    He left this comment on my channel:

    zebooelgamed
    كس امك يا ابو على
    طالما انك عرفت الحقيقة كما تدعى يا قذر
    إذآ خليك فى نفسك وانت سعيد بالالحاد
    انما انك تحاول تكفير الناس فسوف تصلى سعيرآ لان الاسلام هو الحق وسوف تجد ذلك عند الموت

    (Trans: Kos Ommak (Your mum's pussy) Oh Abu Ali as long as you know the truth as you claim - Oh dirty one - then keep it to yourself and be happy with your atheism but you try to make other people disbelieve. As a result you will burn in a scorching fire because Islam is the truth and you will find that out at death.)


    Thats such a stupid comment- this guy deserves a verbal thrashing of the worst kind.

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #22 - May 12, 2009, 01:56 PM

    Hmmm... I wonder if this guy is Ahmed? Any thoughts?

    He left this comment on my channel:

    zebooelgamed
    كس امك يا ابو على
    طالما انك عرفت الحقيقة كما تدعى يا قذر
    إذآ خليك فى نفسك وانت سعيد بالالحاد
    انما انك تحاول تكفير الناس فسوف تصلى سعيرآ لان الاسلام هو الحق وسوف تجد ذلك عند الموت

    (Trans: Kos Ommak (Your mum's pussy) Oh Abu Ali as long as you know the truth as you claim - Oh dirty one - then keep it to yourself and be happy with your atheism but you try to make other people disbelieve. As a result you will burn in a scorching fire because Islam is the truth and you will find that out at death.)


    Thats such a stupid comment- this guy deserves a verbal thrashing of the worst kind.

    Sounds like Ahmed to me, if only he ended it with 'Dismiss yourself' then I would have been 100%

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  • Re: The Miracle of Iron (for zebooelgamed)
     Reply #23 - May 12, 2009, 10:18 PM

    I'd say it's Ahmed. 99% match innit. Grin

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
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