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  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #30 - April 26, 2009, 08:12 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:05 PM
    some people dont want to understand for their personal lifestyle


    That's such bullshit!

    The standard way believers explain why most people don't believe.
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #31 - April 26, 2009, 08:14 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:11 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 07:59 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 07:49 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 07:35 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 07:02 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 06:51 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 06:26 PM
    fourth holy book make sense


    Wrong!

    They make no sense at all.



    dont you know saying goes "beauty is in the eye of beholder?


    same thing, if you dont have knowleage about something it wont make sense


    If our salvation depends on it then it shouldn't be subjective should it?



    our salvation is not depend on that we understand god or his book but our good deeds


    Good. Then one can believe or not believe - because it doesn't matter.



    correct, if you dont understand holy book, but  believe in god and good deed is required for salvation


    And if you don't believe in God?
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #32 - April 26, 2009, 08:14 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:11 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 07:59 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 07:49 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 07:35 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 07:02 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 06:51 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 06:26 PM
    fourth holy book make sense


    Wrong!

    They make no sense at all.



    dont you know saying goes "beauty is in the eye of beholder?


    same thing, if you dont have knowleage about something it wont make sense


    If our salvation depends on it then it shouldn't be subjective should it?



    our salvation is not depend on that we understand god or his book but our good deeds


    Good. Then one can believe or not believe - because it doesn't matter.



    correct, if you dont understand holy book, but  believe in god and good deed is required for salvation


    what if you don't believe in god, kobe?

    or what if you believe in 'something' the way hassan does, but not the god of any known religion?
    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #33 - April 26, 2009, 08:27 PM
    Quote from: AlmostAisha on April 26, 2009, 08:14 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:11 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 07:59 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 07:49 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 07:35 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 07:02 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 06:51 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 06:26 PM
    fourth holy book make sense


    Wrong!

    They make no sense at all.



    dont you know saying goes "beauty is in the eye of beholder?


    same thing, if you dont have knowleage about something it wont make sense


    If our salvation depends on it then it shouldn't be subjective should it?



    our salvation is not depend on that we understand god or his book but our good deeds


    Good. Then one can believe or not believe - because it doesn't matter.



    correct, if you dont understand holy book, but  believe in god and good deed is required for salvation


    what if you don't believe in god, kobe?

    or what if you believe in 'something' the way hassan does, but not the god of any known religion?




    to (MY) understanding of islam is  believe in god and good deed is required for salvation

    abraham pbuh was a (muslim) believe in god and righteous man , he does not believe in  quran nor muhammad pbuh
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #34 - April 26, 2009, 08:30 PM
    right, i got that
    what if your definition of god is not the same as the abrahamic definition of 'god'? For example, if I think... "mother nature" is God, does that count?

    Also, do you think that it is fair to burn someone for eternity because a certain concept did not make sense to them while they were on earth?
    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #35 - April 26, 2009, 08:31 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:27 PM
    Quote from: AlmostAisha on April 26, 2009, 08:14 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:11 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 07:59 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 07:49 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 07:35 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 07:02 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 06:51 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 06:26 PM
    fourth holy book make sense


    Wrong!

    They make no sense at all.



    dont you know saying goes "beauty is in the eye of beholder?


    same thing, if you dont have knowleage about something it wont make sense


    If our salvation depends on it then it shouldn't be subjective should it?



    our salvation is not depend on that we understand god or his book but our good deeds


    Good. Then one can believe or not believe - because it doesn't matter.



    correct, if you dont understand holy book, but  believe in god and good deed is required for salvation


    what if you don't believe in god, kobe?

    or what if you believe in 'something' the way hassan does, but not the god of any known religion?




    to (MY) understanding of islam is  believe in god and good deed is required for salvation

    abraham pbuh was a (muslim) believe in god and righteous man , he does not believe in  quran nor muhammad pbuh


    So you are saying that if you don't believe in God you go to Hell?
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #36 - April 26, 2009, 08:49 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 08:31 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:27 PM
    Quote from: AlmostAisha on April 26, 2009, 08:14 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:11 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 07:59 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 07:49 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 07:35 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 07:02 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 06:51 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 06:26 PM
    fourth holy book make sense


    Wrong!

    They make no sense at all.



    dont you know saying goes "beauty is in the eye of beholder?


    same thing, if you dont have knowleage about something it wont make sense


    If our salvation depends on it then it shouldn't be subjective should it?



    our salvation is not depend on that we understand god or his book but our good deeds


    Good. Then one can believe or not believe - because it doesn't matter.



    correct, if you dont understand holy book, but  believe in god and good deed is required for salvation


    what if you don't believe in god, kobe?

    or what if you believe in 'something' the way hassan does, but not the god of any known religion?




    to (MY) understanding of islam is  believe in god and good deed is required for salvation

    abraham pbuh was a (muslim) believe in god and righteous man , he does not believe in  quran nor muhammad pbuh


    So you are saying that if you don't believe in God you go to Hell?



    to (MY) understanding of islam  (YES)
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #37 - April 26, 2009, 08:55 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:49 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 08:31 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:27 PM
    Quote from: AlmostAisha on April 26, 2009, 08:14 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:11 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 07:59 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 07:49 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 07:35 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 07:02 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 06:51 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 06:26 PM
    fourth holy book make sense


    Wrong!

    They make no sense at all.



    dont you know saying goes "beauty is in the eye of beholder?


    same thing, if you dont have knowleage about something it wont make sense


    If our salvation depends on it then it shouldn't be subjective should it?



    our salvation is not depend on that we understand god or his book but our good deeds


    Good. Then one can believe or not believe - because it doesn't matter.



    correct, if you dont understand holy book, but  believe in god and good deed is required for salvation


    what if you don't believe in god, kobe?

    or what if you believe in 'something' the way hassan does, but not the god of any known religion?




    to (MY) understanding of islam is  believe in god and good deed is required for salvation

    abraham pbuh was a (muslim) believe in god and righteous man , he does not believe in  quran nor muhammad pbuh


    So you are saying that if you don't believe in God you go to Hell?



    to (MY) understanding of islam  (YES)


    Then according to YOUR understanding God is a cruel sadistic bastard who tortures people because he himself failed to provide undeniable evidence of his existence.
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #38 - April 26, 2009, 08:58 PM
    Quote from: AlmostAisha on April 26, 2009, 08:30 PM
    right, i got that
    what if your definition of god is not the same as the abrahamic definition of 'god'? For example, if I think... "mother nature" is God, does that count?



    even if you believe unicorn is your creator

     
    Quote
    Also, do you think that it is fair to burn someone for eternity because a certain concept did not make sense to them while they were on earth?



    God hates atheist because ideology of atheist says there are no eternal consequences so, "if it feels good, do it!".

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #39 - April 26, 2009, 08:59 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 08:55 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:49 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 08:31 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:27 PM
    Quote from: AlmostAisha on April 26, 2009, 08:14 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:11 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 07:59 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 07:49 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 07:35 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 07:02 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 06:51 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 06:26 PM
    fourth holy book make sense


    Wrong!

    They make no sense at all.



    dont you know saying goes "beauty is in the eye of beholder?


    same thing, if you dont have knowleage about something it wont make sense


    If our salvation depends on it then it shouldn't be subjective should it?



    our salvation is not depend on that we understand god or his book but our good deeds


    Good. Then one can believe or not believe - because it doesn't matter.



    correct, if you dont understand holy book, but  believe in god and good deed is required for salvation


    what if you don't believe in god, kobe?

    or what if you believe in 'something' the way hassan does, but not the god of any known religion?




    to (MY) understanding of islam is  believe in god and good deed is required for salvation

    abraham pbuh was a (muslim) believe in god and righteous man , he does not believe in  quran nor muhammad pbuh


    So you are saying that if you don't believe in God you go to Hell?



    to (MY) understanding of islam  (YES)


    Then according to YOUR understanding God is a cruel sadistic bastard who tortures people because he himself failed to provide undeniable evidence of his existence.



    that is your understanding of god not mine
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #40 - April 26, 2009, 09:06 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:58 PM

    God hates atheist because ideology of atheist says there are no eternal consequences so, "if it feels good, do it!".




    I'm an atheist, and I don't believe in after-death consequences if that's what you mean by "eternal". I also *don't* believe in "if it feels good, do it!", my moral code is a little more complex than that.

    I think theists are so focused on the after-life consequences that they don't realize THIS world's consequences sometimes. A suicide bomber as an extreme example is so focused on the good his actions will bring in the after-life that he can't see that he is murdering innocent people.

    To determine whether something is right or wrong, I personally tend to look among other things at the consequences- the ones in THIS life. The Golden Rule is also a pretty good compass. Then again, this is just me, you can't say that for all atheists because atheists think *independently*, not with a mob mentality.
    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #41 - April 26, 2009, 09:10 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:58 PM



    God hates atheist because ideology of atheist says there are no eternal consequences so, "if it feels good, do it!".




    If atheists believe that then it is simply a consequence of God not providing undeniable evidence of his existence and the logical consequences that many (understandably) come to.

    If God is going to HATE people for something that is ultimately his own fault - then he is not a God worthy of praise or worship.
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #42 - April 26, 2009, 09:10 PM
    Quote from: AlmostAisha on April 26, 2009, 09:06 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:58 PM

    God hates atheist because ideology of atheist says there are no eternal consequences so, "if it feels good, do it!".




    I'm an atheist, and I don't believe in after-death consequences if that's what you mean by "eternal". I also *don't* believe in "if it feels good, do it!", my moral code is a little more complex than that.

    I think theists are so focused on the after-life consequences that they don't realize THIS world's consequences sometimes. A suicide bomber as an extreme example is so focused on the good his actions will bring in the after-life that he can't see that he is murdering innocent people.

    To determine whether something is right or wrong, I personally tend to look among other things at the consequences- the ones in THIS life. The Golden Rule is also a pretty good compass. Then again, this is just me, you can't say that for all atheists because atheists think *independently*, not with a mob mentality.



    i explain to you what (I) believe to be true for (ME)


    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #43 - April 26, 2009, 09:13 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 09:10 PM
    Quote from: AlmostAisha on April 26, 2009, 09:06 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:58 PM

    God hates atheist because ideology of atheist says there are no eternal consequences so, "if it feels good, do it!".




    I'm an atheist, and I don't believe in after-death consequences if that's what you mean by "eternal". I also *don't* believe in "if it feels good, do it!", my moral code is a little more complex than that.

    I think theists are so focused on the after-life consequences that they don't realize THIS world's consequences sometimes. A suicide bomber as an extreme example is so focused on the good his actions will bring in the after-life that he can't see that he is murdering innocent people.

    To determine whether something is right or wrong, I personally tend to look among other things at the consequences- the ones in THIS life. The Golden Rule is also a pretty good compass. Then again, this is just me, you can't say that for all atheists because atheists think *independently*, not with a mob mentality.



    i explain to you what (I) believe to be true for (ME)





    but your beliefs, according to your beliefs, apply to all of humanity
    since according to (YOU) we will (ALL) be judged this way
    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #44 - April 26, 2009, 09:15 PM
    Quote from: AlmostAisha on April 26, 2009, 09:13 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 09:10 PM
    Quote from: AlmostAisha on April 26, 2009, 09:06 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:58 PM

    God hates atheist because ideology of atheist says there are no eternal consequences so, "if it feels good, do it!".




    I'm an atheist, and I don't believe in after-death consequences if that's what you mean by "eternal". I also *don't* believe in "if it feels good, do it!", my moral code is a little more complex than that.

    I think theists are so focused on the after-life consequences that they don't realize THIS world's consequences sometimes. A suicide bomber as an extreme example is so focused on the good his actions will bring in the after-life that he can't see that he is murdering innocent people.

    To determine whether something is right or wrong, I personally tend to look among other things at the consequences- the ones in THIS life. The Golden Rule is also a pretty good compass. Then again, this is just me, you can't say that for all atheists because atheists think *independently*, not with a mob mentality.



    i explain to you what (I) believe to be true for (ME)





    but your beliefs, according to your beliefs, apply to all of humanity
    since according to (YOU) we will (ALL) be judged this way


    (I) think (YOU) are right and (HE) is wrong, but that's just (MY) opinion. Wink
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #45 - April 26, 2009, 09:16 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 09:10 PM
    Quote from: AlmostAisha on April 26, 2009, 09:06 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:58 PM

    God hates atheist because ideology of atheist says there are no eternal consequences so, "if it feels good, do it!".




    I'm an atheist, and I don't believe in after-death consequences if that's what you mean by "eternal". I also *don't* believe in "if it feels good, do it!", my moral code is a little more complex than that.

    I think theists are so focused on the after-life consequences that they don't realize THIS world's consequences sometimes. A suicide bomber as an extreme example is so focused on the good his actions will bring in the after-life that he can't see that he is murdering innocent people.

    To determine whether something is right or wrong, I personally tend to look among other things at the consequences- the ones in THIS life. The Golden Rule is also a pretty good compass. Then again, this is just me, you can't say that for all atheists because atheists think *independently*, not with a mob mentality.



    i explain to you what (I) believe to be true for (ME)





    What you believe seems to depend on dividing the human race into theists and hedonists of the most selfish sort.  Its a very superficial, immature reading of human nature, which is why its convincing nobody.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #46 - April 26, 2009, 09:19 PM
    Quote from: AlmostAisha on April 26, 2009, 09:13 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 09:10 PM
    Quote from: AlmostAisha on April 26, 2009, 09:06 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:58 PM

    God hates atheist because ideology of atheist says there are no eternal consequences so, "if it feels good, do it!".




    I'm an atheist, and I don't believe in after-death consequences if that's what you mean by "eternal". I also *don't* believe in "if it feels good, do it!", my moral code is a little more complex than that.

    I think theists are so focused on the after-life consequences that they don't realize THIS world's consequences sometimes. A suicide bomber as an extreme example is so focused on the good his actions will bring in the after-life that he can't see that he is murdering innocent people.

    To determine whether something is right or wrong, I personally tend to look among other things at the consequences- the ones in THIS life. The Golden Rule is also a pretty good compass. Then again, this is just me, you can't say that for all atheists because atheists think *independently*, not with a mob mentality.



    i explain to you what (I) believe to be true for (ME)





    but your beliefs, according to your beliefs, apply to all of humanity
    since according to (YOU) we will (ALL) be judged this way



    dont worry about it, you know that i am wrong
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #47 - April 26, 2009, 09:21 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on April 26, 2009, 09:16 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 09:10 PM
    Quote from: AlmostAisha on April 26, 2009, 09:06 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:58 PM

    God hates atheist because ideology of atheist says there are no eternal consequences so, "if it feels good, do it!".




    I'm an atheist, and I don't believe in after-death consequences if that's what you mean by "eternal". I also *don't* believe in "if it feels good, do it!", my moral code is a little more complex than that.

    I think theists are so focused on the after-life consequences that they don't realize THIS world's consequences sometimes. A suicide bomber as an extreme example is so focused on the good his actions will bring in the after-life that he can't see that he is murdering innocent people.

    To determine whether something is right or wrong, I personally tend to look among other things at the consequences- the ones in THIS life. The Golden Rule is also a pretty good compass. Then again, this is just me, you can't say that for all atheists because atheists think *independently*, not with a mob mentality.



    i explain to you what (I) believe to be true for (ME)





    What you believe seems to depend on dividing the human race into theists and hedonists of the most selfish sort.  Its a very superficial, immature reading of human nature, which is why its convincing nobody.


    than why dont you join with me  dance
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #48 - April 26, 2009, 09:23 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 09:21 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on April 26, 2009, 09:16 PM
    What you believe seems to depend on dividing the human race into theists and hedonists of the most selfish sort.  Its a very superficial, immature reading of human nature, which is why its convincing nobody.


    than why dont you join with me  dance

    Why would she want to join with someone who consistently shows a very superficial and immature reading of human nature?
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #49 - April 26, 2009, 09:23 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 06:29 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 26, 2009, 03:11 PM
    -to fill in the blanks
    -give their lives a reason
    -brainwashed
    -wishful thinking
    -societal conventions
    -convinced literature is divinely inspired
    ....

    do you believe atheist can not be brainwashed?

    Generally speaking anyone can be brainwashed if they have only ever been exposed to one school of thought, and that also includes atheists.  

    Difficult to apply that to us, as we have seen both sides of the equation and made a personal choice based on the information at hand.  If we had only been exposed to one angle, parents had been devout atheists,or been compelled to believe in something (like death sentence for apostacy) then I would agree I could also be brainwashed.
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  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #50 - April 26, 2009, 09:24 PM
    @kope

    You should know why from reading my posts.  I don't believe in God and your description  of atheists shows that you don't know the first thing about us, so why would I believe anything else you say?  Not to mention that your concept of God is a cruel and unjust one.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #51 - April 26, 2009, 09:25 PM
    Quote from: Frollo on April 26, 2009, 06:46 PM
    Christopher Hitchens explains it best.

    "Religion was humanities first attempt at explaining the univerce, as such it is our weakest explanation."

     Afro
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  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #52 - April 26, 2009, 09:29 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:05 PM
    Quote from: AlmostAisha on April 26, 2009, 07:29 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 07:13 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on April 26, 2009, 07:09 PM
    Plenty of people with knowledge of the Qur'an and Bible say they don't make sense.


    no surprise

    that true for atheists


    logic should not be subjective. why do you think many people who know the Qur'an and Bible come to the conclusion that these books make no sense? whereas believers think they not only make sense but they are miracles?


    some people dont want to understand for their personal lifestyle

    Not me, but agree for some people this is true, including Muslims who bastardize the Quran for their own needs
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  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #53 - April 26, 2009, 10:01 PM
    Quote from: AlmostAisha on April 26, 2009, 08:30 PM
    ... is it fair to burn someone for eternity because a certain concept did not make sense to them while they were on earth?



    2nd that.... spot on.... I couldn't have said it better.

    Yeah and what about young children of non believers who die before they get to become Muslims or Christians.... for example little children who perished during the sinking of the Titanic?? Are they going straight to hell???

    And what about people (Men, Women and Children) in remote areas far far away from civilization such as the Amazons for example who believed (and they have all the right to do so!!) in the most scary animals they have encountered (Crocodiles, pythons or Jaguars... etc) and maybe worshiped them in fear, and had no time to sit and meditate and  imagine a mightier entity to believe in because they have no time to do that. If they rest and close their eyes in the forest they would be a nice snack for a freaking Croc or a Jag!!! What about them? Straight to hell?   UNFAIR I would say!!!!!

    Ah... George Carlin!!! RIBS
    ...
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #54 - April 26, 2009, 10:20 PM
    Kope, your turn - can you explain why humans have believed in all these Gods ?


    Agdistis
    Ah Puch
    Ahura Mazda
    Alberich
    Allah
    Amaterasu
    An
    Anansi
    Anat
    Andvari
    Anshar
    Anu
    Aphrodite
    Apollo
    Apsu
    Ares
    Artemis
    Asclepius
    Athena
    Athirat
    Athtart
    Atlas
    Baal
    Ba Xian
    Bacchus
    Balder
    Bast
    Bellona
    Bergelmir
    Bes
    Bixia Yuanjin
    Bragi
    Brahma
    Brigit
    Camaxtli
    Ceres
    Ceridwen
    Cernunnos
    Chac
    Chalchiuhtlicue
    Charun
    Chemosh
    Cheng-huang
    Cybele
    Dagon
    Damkina (Dumkina)
    Davlin
    Dawn
    Demeter
    Diana
    Di Cang
    Dionysus
    Ea
    El
    Enki
    Enlil
    Eos
    Epona
    Ereskigal
    Farbauti
    Fenrir
    Forseti
    Freya
    Freyr
    Frigg
    Gaia
    Ganesha
    Ganga
    Garuda
    Gauri
    Geb
    Geong Si
    Hades
    Hanuman
    Hathor
    Hecate (Hekate)
    Helios
    Heng-o (Chang-o)
    Hephaestus
    Hera
    Hermes
    Hestia
    Hod
    Hoderi
    Hoori
    Horus
    Hotei
    Huitzilopochtli
    Hsi-Wang-Mu
    Hygeia
    Inanna
    Inti
    Iris
    Ishtar
    Isis
    Ixtab
    Izanaki
    Izanami
    Jesus
    Juno
    Jupiter
    Juturna
    Kagutsuchi
    Kartikeya
    Khepri
    Ki
    Kingu
    Kinich Ahau
    Kishar
    Krishna
    Kukulcan
    Lakshmi
    Liza
    Loki
    Lugh
    Luna
    Magna Mater
    Maia
    Marduk
    Mars
    Medb
    Mercury
    Mimir
    Minerva
    Mithras
    Morrigan
    Mot
    Mummu
    Muses
    Nammu
    Nanna
    Nanna (Norse)
    Nanse
    Neith
    Nemesis
    Nephthys
    Neptune
    Nergal
    Ninazu
    Ninhurzag
    Nintu
    Ninurta
    Njord
    Nut
    Odin
    Ohkuninushi
    Ohyamatsumi
    Orgelmir
    Osiris
    Ostara
    Pan
    Parvati
    Phaethon
    Phoebe
    Phoebus Apollo
    Pilumnus
    Poseidon
    Quetzalcoatl
    Rama
    Re
    Rhea
    Sabazius
    Sarasvati
    Selene
    Shiva
    Seshat
    Seti (Set)
    Shamash
    Shapsu
    Shen Yi
    Shiva
    Shu
    Si-Wang-Mu
    Sin
    Sirona
    Sol
    Surya
    Susanoh
    Tawaret
    Tefnut
    Tezcatlipoca
    Thanatos
    Thor
    Tiamat
    Tlaloc
    Tonatiuh
    Toyo-Uke-Bime
    Tyche
    Tyr
    Utu
    Uzume
    Venus
    Vesta
    Vishnu
    Volturnus
    Vulcan
    Xipe
    Xi Wang-mu
    Xochipilli
    Xochiquetzal
    Yam
    Yarikh
    Yhwh
    Ymir
    Yu-huang
    Yum Kimil
    Zeus

    (source http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_myth_gods_index.htm)
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  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #55 - April 26, 2009, 10:29 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 26, 2009, 10:20 PM
    Kope, your turn - can you explain why humans have believed in all these Gods ?

    .....[a bajillion names... I counted- AlmostAisha]

    (source http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_myth_gods_index.htm)


    Holy moley. I mean I knew there were a lot, but to see them listed that way.. whoa. I would like to refer back to my quote,

    "Nobody knows the age of the human race, but everyone agrees that it's old enough to know better."
    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #56 - April 26, 2009, 10:36 PM
    Quote from: RIBS on April 26, 2009, 10:01 PM
    Yeah and what about young children of non believers who die before they get to become Muslims or Christians.... for example little children who perished during the sinking of the Titanic?? Are they going straight to hell???


    I think this is the latest logical issue I'm having with religions. How can babies who die be judged? Of course they shouldn't go to hell, but even if they go straight to heaven, isn't that unfair to all the other souls that had to actually be tested to earn their place there? If God can judge without testing (or whatever sick version of "test" any religion has) then what is the point of putting us on Earth at all?
    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #57 - April 26, 2009, 10:42 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 26, 2009, 09:23 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 09:21 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on April 26, 2009, 09:16 PM
    What you believe seems to depend on dividing the human race into theists and hedonists of the most selfish sort.  Its a very superficial, immature reading of human nature, which is why its convincing nobody.


    than why dont you join with me  dance

    Why would she want to join with someone who consistently shows a very superficial and immature reading of human nature?


    i thing we should follow below


    Say : O ye that reject Faith!
    I worship not that which ye worship,
    Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
    And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
    Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
    To you be your Way, and to me mine      Sura 109: 1-6
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

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  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #58 - April 26, 2009, 10:56 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 10:42 PM

    i thing we should follow below


    Say : O ye that reject Faith!
    I worship not that which ye worship,
    Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
    And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
    Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
    To you be your Way, and to me mine      Sura 109: 1-6


    That is a beautiful sentiment. I loved it when I was a Muslim.

    Of course, I wasn't aware that after that, came:

    Quote
    2:109 Many of the people of the Scripture long to make you disbelievers after your belief, through envy on their own account, after the truth hath become manifest unto them. Forgive and be indulgent (toward them) until Allah give command. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things.


    And he did give command, didn't he?

    Quote
    2:161 Lo! Those who disbelieve, and die while they are disbelievers; on them is the curse of Allah and of angels and of men combined.

    2:193 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.

    9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.


    Here are some more gems of the kind of tolerance unbelievers get: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/Quran/int/long.html

    You appear to be a tolerant person kope, but this is obviously against the teachings of your religion. Don't you fear sometimes that Allah will punish you for not fighting the idolaters like he told you to very clearly in his message?
    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #59 - April 26, 2009, 11:31 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 26, 2009, 09:15 PM
    Quote from: AlmostAisha on April 26, 2009, 09:13 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 09:10 PM
    Quote from: AlmostAisha on April 26, 2009, 09:06 PM
    Quote from: kope on April 26, 2009, 08:58 PM

    God hates atheist because ideology of atheist says there are no eternal consequences so, "if it feels good, do it!".




    I'm an atheist, and I don't believe in after-death consequences if that's what you mean by "eternal". I also *don't* believe in "if it feels good, do it!", my moral code is a little more complex than that.

    I think theists are so focused on the after-life consequences that they don't realize THIS world's consequences sometimes. A suicide bomber as an extreme example is so focused on the good his actions will bring in the after-life that he can't see that he is murdering innocent people.

    To determine whether something is right or wrong, I personally tend to look among other things at the consequences- the ones in THIS life. The Golden Rule is also a pretty good compass. Then again, this is just me, you can't say that for all atheists because atheists think *independently*, not with a mob mentality.



    i explain to you what (I) believe to be true for (ME)





    but your beliefs, according to your beliefs, apply to all of humanity
    since according to (YOU) we will (ALL) be judged this way


    (I) think (YOU) are right and (HE) is wrong, but that's just (MY) opinion. Wink


    hahaha thank (YOU)  parrot
    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
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