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  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #90 - April 27, 2009, 11:30 AM

    No, it does not just include atheists.  Just be people who do not feel certain about God, thats all.  Hope this helps you in answering the question.


    to (MY) understanding any one who do not deny existance of god and do good deed is save

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #91 - April 27, 2009, 11:33 AM

    No, it does not just include atheists.  Just be people who do not feel certain about God, thats all.  Hope this helps you in answering the question.


    to (MY) understanding any one who do not deny existance of god and do good deed is save


    What about people who do not feel certain that there is a God (BTW this includes a huge percentage of the world's population)

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  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #92 - April 27, 2009, 11:43 AM




    God hates atheist because ideology of atheist says there are no eternal consequences so, "if it feels good, do it!".




    If atheists believe that then it is simply a consequence of God not providing undeniable evidence of his existence and the logical consequences that many (understandably) come to.

    If God is going to HATE people for something that is ultimately his own fault - then he is not a God worthy of praise or worship.



    god did gave us enough evidance to believe in god, your mind cant deny it


    No, there is no undeniable evidence of God. If there was then only the insane would deny it.

    Are you saying that all atheists are insane?



    if there is no evidance than why cant you deny it what holding you on god?


    if atheists are not insane than believers are in trouble dance




    I didn't say there is no evidence - I said there is no undeniable evidence.

    The evidence that exists is - at best - circumstantial and open to dispute. For example I would say the existence of the world around us is evidence that points to there being 'something' more.

    But I totally understand why another person would say that it doesn't prove anything. Because that is the truth - it doesn't 'prove' anything for certain.

    Plus, I think the main reason I still believe in 'something' is because I don't like the thought of there being nothing. In other words it is a little bit of wishful thinking on my part.

    But even though I believe there is something I know that this is just a belief - it is not certainty - not a fact - not undeniable.

    The Atheist position is actually the more reasonable and rational position.

    And IF God does indeed exist - there is no way he can be a Just or Merciful God if he HATES atheists as you say.

    And the God who tortures Atheists (or anyone) in Hell is not a God - but an evil, cruel, sadistic monster.

    So, Kope, what is this undeniable proof you have that God exists?

  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #93 - April 27, 2009, 11:52 AM


    if atheists are not insane than believers are in trouble dance



    You don't seriously think atheists are all insane, do you? I really don't for one minute believe you really think that.

    But let us assume that they are insane (just for arguments sake)

    Why would the Merciful, the Compassionate, HATE insane people or torture them in Hell?

    And if they are insane - then whose fault is that?

    If they are not insane then how come they reject belief in God if it is so obvious and undeniable.

    Which is it Kope?

  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #94 - April 27, 2009, 11:56 AM

    No, it does not just include atheists.  Just be people who do not feel certain about God, thats all.  Hope this helps you in answering the question.


    to (MY) understanding any one who do not deny existance of god and do good deed is save


    What about people who do not feel certain that there is a God (BTW this includes a huge percentage of the world's population)



    do you mean people who have dought about god existance but not deny it?

    i thing dought is a natural thing even for believers


    yes they will go to paradise

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #95 - April 27, 2009, 12:04 PM

    Hey kope, I'm curious to know your opinion. I was a believing Muslim once, but now I reject Islam wholeheartedly. I also reject any supernatural beings like Allah, Yahweh, Zeus, Thor etc.

    Islam is false and there are no gods. Do I go to Hell or Paradise?

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  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #96 - April 27, 2009, 12:10 PM

    No, it does not just include atheists.  Just be people who do not feel certain about God, thats all.  Hope this helps you in answering the question.


    to (MY) understanding any one who do not deny existance of god and do good deed is save


    What about people who do not feel certain that there is a God (BTW this includes a huge percentage of the world's population)



    do you mean people who have dought about god existance but not deny it?

    i thing dought is a natural thing even for believers


    yes they will go to paradise



    kope you're just basing this on what you feel is right and just
    does this have any basis at all in Islam? can you provide us with any proof?

    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #97 - April 27, 2009, 12:10 PM

    No, it does not just include atheists.  Just be people who do not feel certain about God, thats all.  Hope this helps you in answering the question.


    to (MY) understanding any one who do not deny existance of god and do good deed is save


    What about people who do not feel certain that there is a God (BTW this includes a huge percentage of the world's population)



    do you mean people who have dought about god existance but not deny it?

    i thing dought is a natural thing even for believers


    yes they will go to paradise


    Thanks, you have now gone up in my opinion by acknowledging you have some shadow of doubt regarding Gods existance.  You're not the different from all of us, just a matter of percentages.

    Welcome to COEM Kope!

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  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #98 - April 27, 2009, 12:11 PM





    I didn't say there is no evidence - I said there is no undeniable evidence.




    i am in the same position as you, god never talk to me i never saw god nor angel visited me but wisdom in the quran makes (ME) believe in my creator

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #99 - April 27, 2009, 12:13 PM





    I didn't say there is no evidence - I said there is no undeniable evidence.




    i am in the same position as you, god never talk to me i never saw god nor angel visited me


    Then why would God HATE atheists for not believing in God if there is room for doubt?


    but wisdom in the quran makes (ME) believe in my creator


    Fine!

    But recognise it for what it is, Kope - a "belief" not an undeniable fact!

    And since there is room for doubt - then not believing in God is NOT a crime and God has no reason to HATE anyone who disbelieves and even LESS reason to burn them in Hell for ever.

    Agreed?
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #100 - April 27, 2009, 01:28 PM

    Quote from: kope
    like what?


    well, anything, any evidence that, as you have mentioned the existence of God that the mind can't deny.
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #101 - April 27, 2009, 05:31 PM

    No, it does not just include atheists.  Just be people who do not feel certain about God, thats all.  Hope this helps you in answering the question.


    to (MY) understanding any one who do not deny existance of god and do good deed is save


    What about people who do not feel certain that there is a God (BTW this includes a huge percentage of the world's population)



    do you mean people who have dought about god existance but not deny it?

    i thing dought is a natural thing even for believers


    yes they will go to paradise



    kope you're just basing this on what you feel is right and just
    does this have any basis at all in Islam? can you provide us with any proof?



    you neeed understand whole islam to come that conclusion


    just remmenber god is just

    what ever god will do with us will be base on justice

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #102 - April 27, 2009, 05:35 PM


    if atheists are not insane than believers are in trouble dance



    You don't seriously think atheists are all insane, do you? I really don't for one minute believe you really think that.






    did i say atheists are insane? it was you

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #103 - April 27, 2009, 05:37 PM

    You need to show us this undeniable evidence for God before you start attributing characteristics to it.

    Quote
    did i say atheists are insane? it was you


    No, it was you...

    Quote from: kope
    if atheists are not insane than believers are in trouble




    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #104 - April 27, 2009, 05:39 PM

    Hey kope, I'm curious to know your opinion. I was a believing Muslim once, but now I reject Islam wholeheartedly. I also reject any supernatural beings like Allah, Yahweh, Zeus, Thor etc.

    Islam is false and there are no gods. Do I go to Hell or Paradise?




    i dont know about (MY) own fate

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #105 - April 27, 2009, 05:41 PM


    if atheists are not insane than believers are in trouble dance



    You don't seriously think atheists are all insane, do you? I really don't for one minute believe you really think that.

    But let us assume that they are insane (just for arguments sake)

    Why would the Merciful, the Compassionate, HATE insane people or torture them in Hell?

    And if they are insane - then whose fault is that?

    If they are not insane then how come they reject belief in God if it is so obvious and undeniable.

    Which is it Kope?





    real insane people will go to paradise

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #106 - April 27, 2009, 05:45 PM


    If they are not insane then how come they reject belief in God if it is so obvious and undeniable.

    Which is it Kope?





    i dont believe atheists or believers are insane

    majority of humans beileve in god and tiny percentage dont

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #107 - April 27, 2009, 05:56 PM


    Quote

    Thanks, you have now gone up in my opinion by acknowledging you have some shadow of doubt regarding Gods existance.  You're not the different from all of us, just a matter of percentages.

    Welcome to COEM Kope!

    [/quote]


    you see i am human not a robot , dought is a part of human nature


    if you dont dought what you believe you are brainwashed

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #108 - April 27, 2009, 06:03 PM


    you see i am human not a robot , dought is a part of human nature


    if you dont dought what you believe you are brainwashed

    If we're not insane, then do you really think we are bad people who deserve to be burned in hell forever?
    Doubt is not part of human nature, we start with doubt (some believers dont even do this) and then we sometimes move onto certitude.

    I am now certain Islam is man made to the point where I can call Mo names and not worry about being burned in hell forever.  I have no reason to disbelieve Allah is just one of the names on a list of fictional Gods that humans invented for their own needs.

    At the beginning I had doubt, and now I am certain.  Unless you, with Gods help, can convince me otherwise?  I am all ears..

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  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #109 - April 27, 2009, 06:24 PM





    I didn't say there is no evidence - I said there is no undeniable evidence.




    i am in the same position as you, god never talk to me i never saw god nor angel visited me


    Then why would God HATE atheists for not believing in God if there is room for doubt?


    but wisdom in the quran makes (ME) believe in my creator


    Fine!

    But recognise it for what it is, Kope - a "belief" not an undeniable fact!

    And since there is room for doubt - then not believing in God is NOT a crime and God has no reason to HATE anyone who disbelieves and even LESS reason to burn them in Hell for ever.

    Agreed?




    let me explain (MY) understanding why does god hates atheists?

    first  you can not build civilization base on atheistism

    secound you can not build brotherhood and sisterhood base on atheistism

    third there is no writen atheists moral laws to guide humans lives

    fourth you have no fear to harm other



    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #110 - April 27, 2009, 06:26 PM

    Quote from: kope
    like what?


    well, anything, any evidence that, as you have mentioned the existence of God that the mind can't deny.



    for billions quran is enough

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #111 - April 27, 2009, 06:28 PM

    You need to show us this undeniable evidence for God before you start attributing characteristics to it.

    Quote
    did i say atheists are insane? it was you


    No, it was you...

    Quote from: kope
    if atheists are not insane than believers are in trouble







    i reply that to hasan

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

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  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #112 - April 27, 2009, 08:47 PM

    Hey kope, I'm curious to know your opinion. I was a believing Muslim once, but now I reject Islam wholeheartedly. I also reject any supernatural beings like Allah, Yahweh, Zeus, Thor etc.

    Islam is false and there are no gods. Do I go to Hell or Paradise?

    i dont know about (MY) own fate

    You know, first I was a bit pissed off, because you didn't answer my question. But I thought maybe you don't know English well enough, so perhaps you meant to write something like "I don't even know about my own fate, so I can't tell you what will happen to you." Yeah, alright. I guess every Muslim would say they don't know if they will earn paradise. However, most of them will agree that anybody who doesn't accept Islam after having heard of it will most certainly be damned.

    Look, if you think there's such a thing as hell, and if you think that Islam is the only way to attain salvation, then surely anybody who doesn't take that guidance will not be saved. Accept Islam (and do more good than bad,) earn salvation, but reject Islam, earn damnation (no matter how much good you do.) If you know what to do in order to save your ass from a maniac like Allah, then you also know what will happen to those who don't do the same thing in order to get saved.
    So don't give me the "I don't know" excuse.

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  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #113 - April 27, 2009, 09:39 PM

    Hey kope, I'm curious to know your opinion. I was a believing Muslim once, but now I reject Islam wholeheartedly. I also reject any supernatural beings like Allah, Yahweh, Zeus, Thor etc.

    Islam is false and there are no gods. Do I go to Hell or Paradise?

    i dont know about (MY) own fate

    You know, first I was a bit pissed off, because you didn't answer my question. But I thought maybe you don't know English well enough, so perhaps you meant to write something like "I don't even know about my own fate, so I can't tell you what will happen to you." Yeah, alright. I guess every Muslim would say they don't know if they will earn paradise. However, most of them will agree that anybody who doesn't accept Islam after having heard of it will most certainly be damned.

    Look, if you think there's such a thing as hell, and if you think that Islam is the only way to attain salvation, then surely anybody who doesn't take that guidance will not be saved. Accept Islam (and do more good than bad,) earn salvation, but reject Islam, earn damnation (no matter how much good you do.) If you know what to do in order to save your ass from a maniac like Allah, then you also know what will happen to those who don't do the same thing in order to get saved.
    So don't give me the "I don't know" excuse.



    please read below the way (I) understand salvation in islam


    What does God want from us?

    Be kind to fellow human being and animal, in return God will reward us glorious life in paradise.



    How to achieves a happy life in this world and in the hereafter?
    What is the purpose of life ?
    What does God want from us?
    What is the key to Heaven?

    What kind of people will enter Heaven {Paradise / Kingdom of God }?

    People who believes in God And do good to other human being.

    People who will inter heaven those are whom the other human are safe, safe from his/her tongue and hand.

    People who will inter heaven those are respect and honors all human beings irrespective of their religion,color, race, gender, language, status, property, birth, profession/job and so on.

    People who stand out firmly for justice even as against yourselves or your parents or your kin and whether it be against rich or poor.

    People who have patience, forbearance, generosity, bravery, justice, truthfulness, modesty, fulfilling the promise, satisfaction with having only a little .

    People who makes peace among the people.

    People who say with their mouth what is in their heart.

    People who do not shout. speak politely keeping their voice low.

    People who honor old people is showing respect to God.

    People who suppressed his anger, when he had in his power to show it, God will give him great reward.

    People who feed the hungry and visit the sick, and free the innocent.

    People who are patient in adversity and forgive wrongs.

    People who are nearest to God, who pardoneth, when he had in his power him who would have injured him.

    People who persistent in good actions.

    People who speak only good words, otherwise remain silent.

    People who feed the hungry, to help the afflicted, to lighten the sorrow of the sorrowful, and to remove the wrongs of the injured.

    People who kind to God's creatures, God is kind to him; therefore be kind to man on earth, whether good or bad; and being kind to the bad, is to withold him from badness, thus in heaven you will be treated kindly.

    People who admonish his wives with kindness.

    People who enjoin one another to do what is good and forbid one another to do what is evil.

    People who love the poor and bring them near you God will bring you near Him on the Day of Resurrection.

    People who has the most complete faith is he/she who has the best manners.

    People who show forgiveness, enjoin what is good and turn away from the foolish.

    People who pardon and forgive other. do you not love that God should forgive you?

    People who choose best words to speak and say in the best possible way.

    People who always speak the truth. shun words that are deceitful and ostentatious.

    People who nice to people who work under your care.

    People who willing to compromise.

    People who dress modestly.

    People who avoid watching dirty movies/ magazine.

    People who avoid substance abuse such as drugs, alcohol, and tobacco.

    People who earn an honest living are the beloved of God.

    People who believe that a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.

    You are not better than people (of other races) unless you excel them in piety.

    The best people are those who are most useful to others.

    Whoever does not express his gratitude to people will never be grateful to God

    Power consists not in being able to strike another,
    but in being able to control oneself when anger arises.

    Honor your children and thus improve their manners.

    God is merciful to those who show mercy to others.

    Every son of Adam makes mistakes and the best of them are those who repent.

    Verily there are heavenly rewards for any act of kindness to a live animal

    Every good act is charity.
     
    A man's true wealth hereafter is the good that he does in this world to his fellows.

    the truthfulness lead to righteousness and righteousness lead to paradise.

    God enjoins you to treat women well, for they are your mothers, daughters, aunts.

    A sincere repenter of faults is like him who hath committed none.

    How will God Almighty Judge us?

    This life is a test for each individual for the life after death. and the dead will be resurrected for judgment by God.


    On the day of judgment God will judge each person on an individual basis not our religious affiliation ie Islam, Christainty, Judaism, Hinduism etc . God Almighty knows what's in the heart of man/woman and will judge us based on our deeds and the choices we make in life.
    Remember, one day you will appear before God (The Creator) and you will answer for your deeds. It is your own conduct which will lead you to reward or punishment, as if you had been destined therefor.


    God says in the Holy Quran 67:2 ?It is He who created death and life for you that He may try you, as to which of you is best in works....

    The Holy Quran, 21:47 "On the Day of Judgment, We shall set up scales of justice so that no one will be dealt with unjustly in any way; even if someone has an act as small as a grain of a mustard seed, We will bring it to account, and sufficient are We to settle the accounts."

    The Holy Quran 16:111"The day will come when every soul will serve as its own advocate, and every soul will be paid fully for whatever it had done, without the least injustice."

    The Holy Quran 4:124."As for those who lead a righteous life, male or female, while believing, they enter Paradise; without the slightest injustice."


    The Holy Quran 2:62 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #114 - April 27, 2009, 09:48 PM

    Hey Kope, who needs Islam?  I believe in most of that list and I am not even a Muslim.  Most of us live by a much simpler rule and try not to treat others the way we would not wish to be treated.  Much simpler and can adapt to a wide variety of times & situations!

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  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #115 - April 27, 2009, 11:01 PM

    Hey Kope, who needs Islam?  I believe in most of that list and I am not even a Muslim.  Most of us live by a much simpler rule and try not to treat others the way we would not wish to be treated.  Much simpler and can adapt to a wide variety of times & situations!



    i agree you dont need islam but there are billion of people who need guidence to their lives

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #116 - April 27, 2009, 11:13 PM

    Hey Kope, who needs Islam?  I believe in most of that list and I am not even a Muslim.  Most of us live by a much simpler rule and try not to treat others the way we would not wish to be treated.  Much simpler and can adapt to a wide variety of times & situations!

    i agree you dont need islam but there are billion of people who need guidence to their lives

    Do you think that billion feel they need, or feel compelled to accept that they need this guidance?

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  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #117 - April 28, 2009, 11:16 AM

    Quote from: kope
    like what?
    Quote from: li
    well, anything, any evidence that, as you have mentioned the existence of God that the mind can't deny.
    Quote from: kope
    for billions quran is enough




    so according to you, the quran provide the evidence of god that the mind cannot deny, right? since this quran provide undeniable evidence about the existence of god, then this quran must be pointing out to the correct version of god and the source as to what god like and dislike and his character, am i right to say that?
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #118 - April 28, 2009, 12:29 PM

    I'm still waiting for this undeniable evidence  whistling2
  • Re: Why do humans believe in God?
     Reply #119 - April 28, 2009, 12:41 PM

    I'm still waiting for this undeniable evidence  whistling2


    I suspect you will be waiting a loooooong time, heartbomb - so I'll answer for Kope:

    There is no undeniable evidence that God exists and so to conclude that there is no God is a perfectly natural, reasonable and understandable conclusion and any God who HATES atheists or tortures them is an Evil Sadistic, Monster who hates and tortures people for things that are not their fault (but are actually his own fault.)

    Now bow down and worship this God!

    Smiley
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