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  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #30 - April 27, 2009, 09:29 AM


    Please. I don't need your bullshit here. Rashna knows what she wrote and what she implied. It is quite clear.
    Let Rashna speak for herself.



    This is the Sahih Bukhari hadith that I wrote:

    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 144:
    Narrated 'Aisha:

    that during his fatal ailment, Allah's Apostle, used to ask his wives, "Where shall I stay tomorrow? Where shall I stay tomorrow?" He was looking forward to Aisha's turn. So all his wives allowed him to stay where he wished, and he stayed at 'Aisha's house till he died there. 'Aisha added: He died on the day of my usual turn at my house. Allah took him unto Him while his head was between my chest and my neck and his saliva was mixed with my saliva.

    Thus according to Ayesha's narration Muhammad died when they were making out. I did not write, neither implied that Ayesha was having sex with Muhammad's corpse.

    I don't know what Ayesha's reaction was in the immediate aftermath of Muhammad's death, presumably she immediately stopped having sex, I never wrote or implied that she continued.

    I don't know whether she was hugging & clinging to his dead body afterwards, thats' not written in this hadith.

    All I wrote was that Muhammad died while making out with his young wife Ayesha, & according to Ibn Hisham's narration, she blamed herself, her ignorance & extreme youth for causing his death in someway.

    Ibn Hisham page 682:

    Aisha said: "The apostle died on my bosom during my turn: [of having sex with]. It was due to my ignorance and extreme youth that the apostle died in my arms."

    Of course people can die while having sex, can't they?

    I haven't seen Zoroastrian or Muslim women screwing their husbands' dead bodies, but I'm sure many Zoroastrians or Muslims or people of other faiths have died while eating, sleeping, shitting, making out etc.

    The Sahih Bukhari hadith shows Muhammad dying while making out with Ayesha.




    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #31 - April 27, 2009, 09:44 AM

    Do you realise making ridiculous assertions, loses credibility for your entire post, and even you as a person.

    1.  Twice you have implied I am not a genuine ex-muslim for believing your holy prophet was a paedophilic monster
    2.  Osmanthus is not human. 



    Following points should be seen from his post:

    1)He is making inflammatory statements(Even when he has no point)

    2)He is repeating the same things again and again even when his point is thrashed to bits.

    3)HE is  making controversial statements.


    A point to be noted is these are qualities of a troll.This is yet another proof of he being a troll.
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #32 - April 27, 2009, 11:05 AM

    I dont think he is always a troll, nor do I think he is always a serious poster.  He is caught in between the 2, depending on his levels of frustration.

    So what does that make him?

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  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #33 - April 27, 2009, 11:38 AM

    I dont think he is always a troll, nor do I think he is always a serious poster.  He is caught in between the 2, depending on his levels of frustration.

    So what does that make him?


    Not true. 90% of the times he is a troll. You cant remove the troll tag from his name for just  10 % of his posts . I do not want to spoil this thread but if you want I can dig out plenty of evidence to prove that he is a complete and perfect troll.
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #34 - April 27, 2009, 11:42 AM

    I dont think he is always a troll, nor do I think he is always a serious poster.  He is caught in between the 2, depending on his levels of frustration.

    So what does that make him?


    Not true. 90% of the times he is a troll. You cant remove the troll tag from his name for just  10 % of his posts . I do not want to spoil this thread but if you want I can dig out plenty of evidence to prove that he is a complete and perfect troll.

    Thats the point, if he was solely a troll who was only here to cause disruption (e.g. Armoured Baguette), then he would have been banned.  However he does have some points that he is willing to defend, like your Quranic contradictions.

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  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #35 - April 27, 2009, 11:49 AM

    I dont think he is always a troll, nor do I think he is always a serious poster.  He is caught in between the 2, depending on his levels of frustration.

    So what does that make him?


    Not true. 90% of the times he is a troll. You cant remove the troll tag from his name for just  10 % of his posts . I do not want to spoil this thread but if you want I can dig out plenty of evidence to prove that he is a complete and perfect troll.

    Thats the point, if he was solely a troll who was only here to cause disruption (e.g. Armoured Baguette), then he would have been banned.  However he does have some points that he is willing to defend, like your Quranic contradictions.


    The definition of troll requires satisfying the criteria of a troll .BMZ does satisfy every single criteria. The definition doesnt say anything like if one  tries to defend contradictions or sometimes makes 1-2 sensible points then he isnt a troll.  You satisfy the criteria you are a troll . Defending BMZ is   just like saying that Muhhamad had lust for older women too and not just toddlers and hence he isnt a paedophile.Whether he had lust for older ladies doesnt matter. YOu satisfy the definition you are a paedophile.

    If you want to continue the discussion on this PM me . I think we should not spoil this thread by making off topic posts.
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #36 - April 27, 2009, 12:01 PM

    The definition of troll requires satisfying the criteria of a troll .BMZ does satisfy every single criteria. The definition doesnt say anything like if one  tries to defend contradictions or sometimes makes 1-2 sensible points then he isnt a troll. 

    He has made much more than 1-2 sensible posts.  Just because you are not a clunkhead and agree with them, it does not mean to say he does not think they make sense, if only to him. 

    This is not Ummah.com or another Muslim forum, where they will ban people who simply disagree.  We are not scared of debate, as we have nothing in our minds that we need to sweep under the carpet.  And hopefully that shows by not banning any Muslim with a bee in his bonnet.

    In any case history has proven that some of these Muslims have later apostated after vocifereously disagreeing with the posts here.  If not him, then other Muslims who hold him in esteem as a knowledgeable Muslim, might.  Particularly when they note how he has purposefully avoided debate on the Holocaust & Aisha's age particularly, and his circumnavigation of your Quranic contradictions thread!

    I believe people like him are needed here.

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  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #37 - April 27, 2009, 12:05 PM


    The definition of troll requires satisfying the criteria of a troll .BMZ does satisfy every single criteria. The definition doesnt say anything like if one  tries to defend contradictions or sometimes makes 1-2 sensible points then he isnt a troll. 

    He has made much more than 1-2 sensible posts.  Just because you are not a clunkhead and agree with them, it does not mean to say he does not think they make sense, if only to him. 

    This is not Ummah.com or another Muslim forum, where they will ban people who simply disagree.  We are not scared of debate, as we have nothing in our minds that we need to sweep under the carpet.  And hopefully that shows by not banning any Muslim with a bee in his bonnet.

    Also history has proven that some of these Muslims have later apostated after vocifereously disagreeing with the posts here.


    He has been FFI since ages but he has no signs of apostasy. Infact he calls apostate as animals. Most of the ex muslims are sensible. When they are shown their errors they readily accept it unlike BMZ. Anyway you still havent got my point. Just because he made a few sensible post does that acquit him from being called a troll ?  Most of his posts are junk if not all. GOing by your logic muhhamad wasnt a paedophile because he had just 1 child wife and the rest as adult wives.

    Similarly BMZ satisfies every single criteria. Show me where the definition of troll says that if a poster makes some sensible posts and most junk then he isnt a troll . You would have a point only if you show me such a definition. Majority of his posts are useless and full of junk.

    Please refer to this thread where I have provided adequate proofs of BMZ being a troll. If you can refute them please start a seperate thread.I am ready to debate you.

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=5058.0
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #38 - April 27, 2009, 12:18 PM

    I am not really interested in a debate about whether BMZ is a troll, nor what his behaviour was like on FFI.  Nor does not concern me enough.  Its a personal definiton, and we have all shown traits of troll behaviour at some point in our lives.  What that critical percentage to be a troll is all that we would end up debating, and I think that is a subjective, pointless & non-conclusive debate.


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  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #39 - April 27, 2009, 12:38 PM

    I am not really interested in a debate about whether BMZ is a troll, nor what his behaviour was like on FFI.  Nor does not concern me enough.  Its a personal definiton, and we have all shown traits of troll behaviour at some point in our lives.  What that critical percentage to be a troll is all that we would end up debating, and I think that is a subjective, pointless & non-conclusive debate.




    There is no such limit put by the definition however still  I am ready to compromise on the definition a bit .we can easily set the limit by using common sense. IF a person for the most of the times satisfies the criteria of a troll then he is a troll . You cant acquit him the charge of trolling. I hope you agree that most of the times he writes useless stuff and does satisfy the definition of a troll.Concession to the definition can be given at the max upto 3 times but not consistently otherwise we would be insulting the definition itself.
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #40 - April 27, 2009, 12:43 PM

     Afro

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  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #41 - May 19, 2009, 09:10 AM

    I randomly found where you copied and pasted from Rashna.

    http://www.islam-watch.org/AyeshaAhmed/Did-Prophet-Die-While-Making-Love-to-Aisha.htm

    Tongue

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #42 - May 19, 2009, 09:17 AM

    Rofl. Good catch.

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  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #43 - May 19, 2009, 09:21 AM

    Gosh. Isn't the internet a small place!

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  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #44 - May 19, 2009, 11:56 AM



    That little bit in parentheses '(of having sex)' - where did it come from?  Can you please post the original Arabic, and / or the link where you found this one? 


    That was my first reaction too, couldn't get passed the parentheses usage in this instance lol.

    Quote

     In all my years, I never heard it said that they were having sex on the day he died.  He was feverish for a week or so before, so weak that he wasn't even leading the prayers.  But still, every day they would move him to the apartment of the wife whose night to be with him it was, so she would still spend her time with him.  That doesn't mean they were having sex and I think it's kind of a stretch, given the mutawatir narrations about how weak and feverish he was for days before that. I am very wary of bits in parentheses


    Absolutely, also the "his saliva was mixed with my saliva", why the capital letters?  It just seems like some old way of talking about her last kiss with him.




    Quote from: rashna
    Aisha is blaming her youth and ignorance for causing Prophet?s death. Aisha?s eager cooperation excited Prophet immensely which lead to a wild session of foreplay and tongue action followed by intensive sex. Due to her inexperience she could not see the danger of an old man performing sex with a young woman during his serious illness. Timely slowing down or stopping him could have saved his life. Prophet had an explosive climax which his old and sick heart could not handle and went in a cardiac arrest. She saw him die and slump on her bosom during his moment of extreme pleasure. (which is not uncommon in such cases).


    That's not how it happened, where did you get this from?

    I've never seen a hadith detailing what sexual acts mohammed and aisha performed together so if you have a link to some proof of this, please post it now.

     


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #45 - May 19, 2009, 12:03 PM


    Please. I don't need your bullshit here. Rashna knows what she wrote and what she implied. It is quite clear.
    Let Rashna speak for herself.



    This is the Sahih Bukhari hadith that I wrote:

    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 144:
    Narrated 'Aisha:

    that during his fatal ailment, Allah's Apostle, used to ask his wives, "Where shall I stay tomorrow? Where shall I stay tomorrow?" He was looking forward to Aisha's turn. So all his wives allowed him to stay where he wished, and he stayed at 'Aisha's house till he died there. 'Aisha added: He died on the day of my usual turn at my house. Allah took him unto Him while his head was between my chest and my neck and his saliva was mixed with my saliva.

    Thus according to Ayesha's narration Muhammad died when they were making out. I did not write, neither implied that Ayesha was having sex with Muhammad's corpse.

    I don't know what Ayesha's reaction was in the immediate aftermath of Muhammad's death, presumably she immediately stopped having sex, I never wrote or implied that she continued.

    I don't know whether she was hugging & clinging to his dead body afterwards, thats' not written in this hadith.

    All I wrote was that Muhammad died while making out with his young wife Ayesha, & according to Ibn Hisham's narration, she blamed herself, her ignorance & extreme youth for causing his death in someway.

    Ibn Hisham page 682:

    Aisha said: "The apostle died on my bosom during my turn: [of having sex with]. It was due to my ignorance and extreme youth that the apostle died in my arms."

    Of course people can die while having sex, can't they?

    I haven't seen Zoroastrian or Muslim women screwing their husbands' dead bodies, but I'm sure many Zoroastrians or Muslims or people of other faiths have died while eating, sleeping, shitting, making out etc.

    The Sahih Bukhari hadith shows Muhammad dying while making out with Ayesha.






    You mean they had a last kiss before he snuffed it?

    Also you haven't mentioned where the parentheses comes from as it is not in the hadith you provided, the [of having sex with].

    I still take this collection of his last days as one where he was weak and wished to remin in the house of his favourite wife, not for sex, but because she was always his favourite and that is where he wanted to die, and he died whilst sharing a last kiss with her.

    I find the man disgusting for marrying a little girl and having sex with her, but I don't see the need to twist everything, especially when you can't back it up to make it mean what you want it to mean.

    the only true point I can agree with and do find interesting, is the fact that aisha herself saw herself as an extreme youth once and blamed that, which means it wasn't as common as muslims like to make out when they are defending his actions.

    Other than that, it's just twisted fluff. 

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #46 - May 19, 2009, 12:15 PM

    I randomly found where you copied and pasted from Rashna.

    http://www.islam-watch.org/AyeshaAhmed/Did-Prophet-Die-While-Making-Love-to-Aisha.htm

    Tongue


    Gee thanks, thats' where the parenthesis comes from then.  Smiley

    I had actually copied & pasted from a similar site which had said the exact same stuff.

    You mean they had a last kiss before he snuffed it?

    Also you haven't mentioned where the parentheses comes from as it is not in the hadith you provided, the [of having sex with].

    I still take this collection of his last days as one where he was weak and wished to remin in the house of his favourite wife, not for sex, but because she was always his favourite and that is where he wanted to die, and he died whilst sharing a last kiss with her.

    I find the man disgusting for marrying a little girl and having sex with her, but I don't see the need to twist everything, especially when you can't back it up to make it mean what you want it to mean.

    the only true point I can agree with and do find interesting, is the fact that aisha herself saw herself as an extreme youth once and blamed that, which means it wasn't as common as muslims like to make out when they are defending his actions.

    Other than that, it's just twisted fluff. 


    It could be a last kiss, but as well be anything more passionate. They might well not be having peno vaginal sex, but it could be more passionate.

    Nowhere is it stated by Ayesha that there was a farewell kiss-and Ayesha says that it was due to her extreme youth.

    The way she describes the scene, there's quite a bit to suggest that it was more passionate & little or nothing to suggest that it was a farewell kiss.

    Now where is fading's Al Salah Al Salah? Huh?

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #47 - May 19, 2009, 12:22 PM



    It could be a last kiss, but as well be anything more passionate. They might well not be having peno vaginal sex, but it could be more passionate.

    Nowhere is it stated by Ayesha that there was a farewell kiss-and Ayesha says that it was due to her extreme youth.

    The way she describes the scene, there's quite a bit to suggest that it was more passionate & little or nothing to suggest that it was a farewell kiss.

    Now where is fading's Al Salah Al Salah? Huh?


    FFS, it was a kiss between a man and his wife on his death bed, do you not think it would contain some passion?

    You are grasping here rashna, grasping wafer thin straws.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #48 - May 19, 2009, 12:26 PM

    Maybe I am,but here is what Ayesha had to say explicitly about the death bit:

    Ibn Hisham page 682:

    ".that he heard Aisha say: "The apostle died on my bosom during my turn: . It was due to my ignorance and extreme youth that the apostle died in my arms

    What did her extreme youth have to do with his death? She was an 18 year old teen when he died.

    This is what Ayesha said, not about the age at which she married, but about the age at which her husband died when she was 18.

    What could an 18 year old do wrong to make her husband die in her arms?


    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #49 - May 19, 2009, 12:28 PM

    Maybe I am,but here is what Ayesha had to say explicitly about the death bit:

    Ibn Hisham page 682:

    ".that he heard Aisha say: "The apostle died on my bosom during my turn: . It was due to my ignorance and extreme youth that the apostle died in my arms

    What did her extreme youth have to do with his death? She was an 18 year old teen when he died.

    This is what Ayesha said, not about the age at which she married, but about the age at which her husband died when she was 18.

    What could an 18 year old do wrong to make her husband die in her arms?




    Your conclusion is still grasping, why that conclusion? why not her youth and ignorance in that had she but been older and wiser she may have had the knowledge to save him?

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #50 - May 19, 2009, 12:37 PM

    Your conclusion is still grasping, why that conclusion? why not her youth and ignorance in that had she but been older and wiser she may have had the knowledge to save him?


    What kind of knowledge Berbs?In their times, as it happened, medical knowledge was limited, yet I suppose that a physician might have been able to help out, just might.

    In our times, of course, we'd promptly call a Doctor.

    But an 18 year old is an adult even in our times, very much an adult-in all probability she would know the same basic medical knowledge that a 23 year old would. We all study some of that in school, by 18 many people might not even study medical knowledge anymore & say switch to art courses.

    What knowledge could an 18 year old, who had finished about a third of her life according to those times life expectance lack?

    She wasn't even a newlywed, she had been married for 9 whole years, lived in a harem, accompanied Muhammad to battles, been in the midst of a scandal, probably seen many men die in battle, seen her co wife bear a son who died as a child, what knowledge would she gain in the next few years which would add life saving skills which she lacked now?

    Did they have life saving classes for 18+ women & men in Arabia?

    I would expect an 18 year old then with Ayesha's life experiences to know everything that an avarage 25 year old would know today.

    My conclusion maybe grasping, so's yours.As I have said, I'm not sure it happened this way or not in this thread itself.

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  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #51 - May 19, 2009, 12:41 PM

    Maybe I am,but here is what Ayesha had to say explicitly about the death bit:

    Ibn Hisham page 682:

    ".that he heard Aisha say: "The apostle died on my bosom during my turn: . It was due to my ignorance and extreme youth that the apostle died in my arms

    What did her extreme youth have to do with his death? She was an 18 year old teen when he died.

    This is what Ayesha said, not about the age at which she married, but about the age at which her husband died when she was 18.

    What could an 18 year old do wrong to make her husband die in her arms?




    Your conclusion is still grasping, why that conclusion? why not her youth and ignorance in that had she but been older and wiser she may have had the knowledge to save him?


    Ibn Hisham page 682:

    .that he heard Aisha say: ?The apostle died on my bosom during my turn: [of having sex with]. It was due to my ignorance and extreme youth that the apostle died in my arms



    IF what you said is true then Ibn hisham would have said "ignorance due to her youth" . Note that it says ignorance and extreme youth. So we see Muhhamad died because of 2 reasons:

    1) Ignorance of Aisha

    2) Extreme youth

    IF it was referring to ignorance due to extreme youth then there was no need to mention the word Ignorance again. Saying he died because of my "extreme youth" would be sufficient . IT could then be interpreted possibly as ignorance due to extreme youth.
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #52 - May 19, 2009, 12:45 PM

    What could an 18 year old do wrong to make her husband die in her arms?

    Guilt, it's a normal reaction for certain people when someone dies.
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #53 - May 19, 2009, 12:53 PM

    Your conclusion is still grasping, why that conclusion? why not her youth and ignorance in that had she but been older and wiser she may have had the knowledge to save him?


    What kind of knowledge Berbs?In their times, as it happened, medical knowledge was limited, yet I suppose that a physician might have been able to help out, just might.


    OMG, I can't believe you are acting as if her thoughts would have been logical at the time, or even that she could have actually gained the knowledge.

    I'm talking about what might have motivated her extreme youth and ignorance comment. 

    Quote

    In our times, of course, we'd promptly call a Doctor.


     Roll Eyes

    Quote

    But an 18 year old is an adult even in our times, very much an adult-in all probability she would know the same basic medical knowledge that a 23 year old would. We all study some of that in school, by 18 many people might not even study medical knowledge anymore & say switch to art courses.

    What knowledge could an 18 year old, who had finished about a third of her life according to those times life expectance lack?

    She wasn't even a newlywed, she had been married for 9 whole years, lived in a harem, accompanied Muhammad to battles, been in the midst of a scandal, probably seen many men die in battle, seen her co wife bear a son who died as a child, what knowledge would she gain in the next few years which would add life saving skills which she lacked now?

    Did they have life saving classes for 18+ women & men in Arabia?

    I would expect an 18 year old then with Ayesha's life experiences to know everything that an avarage 25 year old would know today.

    My conclusion maybe grasping, so's yours.As I have said, I'm not sure it happened this way or not in this thread itself.



    Do you know actually, I can't be bothered breaking up your post, it's not alot of points, just one point expanded with unecessary red herrings.

    The hadiths do not say they had sex on that day, infact you'd have to be pretty desperate to make those hadiths into what you and the author of that article have done.

    Maybe I am,but here is what Ayesha had to say explicitly about the death bit:

    Ibn Hisham page 682:

    ".that he heard Aisha say: "The apostle died on my bosom during my turn: . It was due to my ignorance and extreme youth that the apostle died in my arms

    What did her extreme youth have to do with his death? She was an 18 year old teen when he died.

    This is what Ayesha said, not about the age at which she married, but about the age at which her husband died when she was 18.

    What could an 18 year old do wrong to make her husband die in her arms?




    Your conclusion is still grasping, why that conclusion? why not her youth and ignorance in that had she but been older and wiser she may have had the knowledge to save him?


    Ibn Hisham page 682:

    .that he heard Aisha say: ?The apostle died on my bosom during my turn: [of having sex with]. It was due to my ignorance and extreme youth that the apostle died in my arms



    IF what you said is true then Ibn hisham would have said "ignorance due to her youth" . Note that it says ignorance and extreme youth. So we see Muhhamad died because of 2 reasons:

    1) Ignorance of Aisha

    2) Extreme youth

    IF it was referring to ignorance due to extreme youth then there was no need to mention the word Ignorance again. Saying he died because of my "extreme youth" would be sufficient . IT could then be interpreted possibly as ignorance due to extreme youth.




    So the way people spoke was the same back then to now?  there was no archaic flowery bizzarre ways of saying things? 

    These days we would say "he died in my arms whilst we shared a kiss" them days it was "his head was on my bosom as his saliva was mixed with mine"....both mean the same thing, both from different time periods.





    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #54 - May 19, 2009, 12:58 PM

    What could an 18 year old do wrong to make her husband die in her arms?

    Guilt, it's a normal reaction for certain people when someone dies.


    But then why does she mention her age? If I were guilty over someone dying & I thought I had been silly in some way-I'd plain blame myself for not saving that person.

    If I thought it had something to do with my youth, only then would I mention it.
    Say a particular medicine eg X saves lives in case of stroke & people are taught about that medicine only in Class 11, I'm not in class 11 yet so I might never have heard of it. I would blame my youth then.

    If I was about 26 & still I hadn't heard of some essential medicines or life saving skills, then I'd just blame my ignorance without blaming my youth. I know that in my mid twenties, my age is no longer an excuse.

    Given the life expectancies then & given the gamut of experience Ayesha had already had, not to mention that she was an adult even by the very lax standards of our time-what did her youth have to do with it?

    @ Berbs, it could be as you said, it could also be that they were making out.
    As I have said, it could be either way. I'm not very sure.

    In any case, I couldn't find Al Salah Al Salah in these hadiths.

    I have accepted long back that my conclusion could well be wrong.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #55 - May 19, 2009, 01:25 PM

    As I have accepted in this thread long back, my conclusion could well be wrong. Apparently another thread was made on this issue:
    This was cited a while back. I remember making a comment on it and getting castigated for it, but I can't recall what I said.


    I remember it was when I lurked here long back. That thread was called,
    "Muhammad died doing what he loved best. Shagging"

    So someone else here also thought along these lines, if I remember correctly. Maybe someone could check the archives.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #56 - May 19, 2009, 01:50 PM



    Given the life expectancies then & given the gamut of experience Ayesha had already had, not to mention that she was an adult even by the very lax standards of our time-what did her youth have to do with it?



    What did her youth have to do with fucking him to death?  wacko

    If it was sex wouldn't she have remembered all the other wives he had fucked through time?

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #57 - May 19, 2009, 01:57 PM



    Given the life expectancies then & given the gamut of experience Ayesha had already had, not to mention that she was an adult even by the very lax standards of our time-what did her youth have to do with it?



    What did her youth have to do with fucking him to death?  wacko

    If it was sex wouldn't she have remembered all the other wives he had fucked through time?


    As the article & I had speculated, it might have given him a cardiac arrest when he was already sick. The other wives didn't  fuck him when he was sick.

    As Muhammad's life is narrated, he was very sick, he wanted to go to Ayesha, when he died Ayesha remembered that he had died with his head in her neck & their salivas were mixed-so they smooched.

    Ayesha herself somehow said that it was due to her ignorance & extreme youth that he died. That might well be guilt.

    Also, since she was an 18 year old, she could have pretty passionate sex, which wasn't healthy for a sick old man in his sixties. That excitement might have been too much for his poor, sick heart to take & being 18 she might not know that one has to take things slow with an old man.

    His other wives never fucked him when he was that sick-in any case someone like Sawda would herself have taken things slow.

    Of course, as I have admitted weeks back, this is all pure speculation.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #58 - May 19, 2009, 02:03 PM

    His other wives never fucked him when he was that sick-in any case someone like Sawda would herself have taken things slow.

    Sauda gave her nights up for Aisha cause Mo didn't wanna have sex with an old lady.
  • Re: Ayesha Murdered Muhammad, with Extreme Sex!!!
     Reply #59 - May 19, 2009, 02:06 PM

    His other wives never fucked him when he was that sick-in any case someone like Sawda would herself have taken things slow.

    Sauda gave her nights up for Aisha cause Mo didn't wanna have sex with an old lady.


    Did he tell that condition to Sauda before marriage, that he'd prefer a young woman to her? Also, I think Islam requires a man to treat all his wives equally. Huh?

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
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