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  • Aisha
     OP - April 26, 2009, 08:58 PM

    It seems that the majority of folk here are ex-Sunnis, which would partly explain why many of your tafisr dwell on the underage marriage to Aisha as one of the main dodgy aspects of Muhammed.

    But I wonder if any of you began to turn away from Islam after reading about the behaviour of Aisha and her side of things toward Ali and Fatima? Considering she is one of the main sources of hadiths, effectively one of THE spiritual authorities for Sunnis, did anyone decide that HER behaviour was suspect and, from that realisation, move to doubt the rest of the Sunni structure?

    I guess all you Shia apostates won't have gone through such a thing at all.

    Just interested Wink

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  • Re: Aisha
     Reply #1 - April 26, 2009, 09:02 PM

    This is likely to be more a "Religion and God" thing than a "Blogs and Bios" thing. IOW, it's a general survey rather than a blog per se. That's Latin, that is. I use it when I wanna sound posh.

    I think I'll move it over to the other board. Smiley

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  • Re: Aisha
     Reply #2 - April 26, 2009, 09:04 PM

    Ooops, sorry, my bad. Please do so!

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  • Re: Aisha
     Reply #3 - April 26, 2009, 10:53 PM

    It seems that the majority of folk here are ex-Sunnis, which would partly explain why many of your tafisr dwell on the underage marriage to Aisha as one of the main dodgy aspects of Muhammed.

    But I wonder if any of you began to turn away from Islam after reading about the behaviour of Aisha and her side of things toward Ali and Fatima? Considering she is one of the main sources of hadiths, effectively one of THE spiritual authorities for Sunnis, did anyone decide that HER behaviour was suspect and, from that realisation, move to doubt the rest of the Sunni structure?

    I guess all you Shia apostates won't have gone through such a thing at all.

    Just interested Wink


    I have said this many times before, but I gave up on Islam on the philosopical issues & the Quran, not bacause of the faux-pas in the hadith.  They just added extra weight to my arguments once I had rid myself it.

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  • Re: Aisha
     Reply #4 - April 26, 2009, 11:03 PM

    I guess all you Shia apostates won't have gone through such a thing at all.


    Aisha is not considered an authority on hadiths among Shi'a Muslims. Due to her treatment of and hostility towards Ali and Fatima, Shias completely disregard her role and in fact she is made fun of among Shia circles. The Shias claim that Mo's marriage to Aisha was purely a political move and that she never "really" embraced Mo's Islam like his daughter and son-in-law did. Of course the political schism between Shias and Sunnis originates from this, so the 2 schools of thought differ greatly in their treatment of the historical significance of Aisha.

    It was only after I decided to leave Islam and researched how other Muslims, Sunnis in particular, practice their religion that I saw how much credence and respect Aisha is given among Sunnis. She's considered Mo's "favourite wife", an accolade given to Khadija (mother of Fatima) by the Shias.

    However, my being raised without the glorification of Mo's child bride did not deter my apostasy from Islam. I figured that whether she was his favourite wife or a political tool, he did marry a person who was a child and therefore he can't be relieved of the blame for that.

    The Aisha mythology was not the original reason I broke away from Islam, but Aisha's age certainly helps the argument for apostasy along because most of the Muslims of the world (85% according to wikipedia) are Sunni Muslims who do subscribe to the glorification myths of Aisha.

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  • Re: Aisha
     Reply #5 - April 27, 2009, 01:14 AM

    It seems that the majority of folk here are ex-Sunnis, which would partly explain why many of your tafisr dwell on the underage marriage to Aisha as one of the main dodgy aspects of Muhammed.

    But I wonder if any of you began to turn away from Islam after reading about the behaviour of Aisha and her side of things toward Ali and Fatima? Considering she is one of the main sources of hadiths, effectively one of THE spiritual authorities for Sunnis, did anyone decide that HER behaviour was suspect and, from that realisation, move to doubt the rest of the Sunni structure?

    I guess all you Shia apostates won't have gone through such a thing at all.

    Just interested Wink


    Are you actively trying to get people back to some form of Islam? Just curious.

    I quit Islam not because of Aisha - or any of the other people who entered  marriage with Mo in rather awful circumstances - but because I realised there is no god.

    How good or bad Aisha's behavior after the death of Muhammad is is pretty much a subjective opinion.  I don't have a problem with her hadiths in terms of the isnaad. 

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  • Re: Aisha
     Reply #6 - April 27, 2009, 08:28 AM

    I was shocked when I first heard what the sahabas did to eachother, as they were supposed to be "the best generation to arise from mankind" ever. This was something no one ever spoke about, and was discouraged from speaking about, "it's haram to slander the sahaba!" even if it's history? "Don't talk about it! Don't ask questions!" Roll Eyes

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  • Re: Aisha
     Reply #7 - April 27, 2009, 08:35 AM

    I was shocked when I first heard what the sahabas did to eachother, as they were supposed to be "the best generation to arise from mankind" ever. This was something no one ever spoke about, and was discouraged from speaking about, "it's haram to slander the sahaba!" even if it's history? "Don't talk about it! Don't ask questions!" Roll Eyes

    What do you mean - what did they do to each other?

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  • Re: Aisha
     Reply #8 - April 27, 2009, 08:38 AM

    They fought eachother, killed eachother...

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  • Re: Aisha
     Reply #9 - April 27, 2009, 07:38 PM

    Assassinated each other...

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  • Re: Aisha
     Reply #10 - April 28, 2009, 04:56 AM

    I was shocked when I first heard what the sahabas did to eachother, as they were supposed to be "the best generation to arise from mankind" ever. This was something no one ever spoke about, and was discouraged from speaking about, "it's haram to slander the sahaba!" even if it's history? "Don't talk about it! Don't ask questions!" Roll Eyes

     Awais, what's a good book you would recommend on early Muslim history and the history of the succession to Muhammad?

    Ironically, here is one traditional Muslim more or less admitting those early atrocities and in fact upholding them as what Muslims today should be imitating!
    http://umarlee.com/2009/01/22/clarification-on-the-controversy-of-my-statements-regarding-sahabah-and-jihad/
  • Re: Aisha
     Reply #11 - April 28, 2009, 05:42 AM

    Check out what this website has to say about Aisha:

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    Q.7.Why did Prophet Muhammad  marry a child, Aisha? Is that not illegal?

    According to widely accepted accounts, Prophet Muhammed , married Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her), when she was six. The marriage was consummated three years later.

    It is interesting to note however, that Ibn Ishaq, the most authoritative historian of the life of the Prophet Muhammed , mentioned the names of Aisha and, her sister, Asma amongst the earliest of people who accepted Islam. The Prophet?s (SAW) marriage with Aisha was consummated (i.e. she moved to his house) three years after the contract/engagement, and this took place in Madina. Since the Meccan period alone was13 years, it is much more likely that the contract took place at the age of 16 and that the marriage was consummated at the age of 19. Whether or not this is true, it is an interesting point to note.

    Acceptability in certain practices varies across culture and across time. Even in America there was a time when there were no laws restricting the age of marriage, and some were married at the age of12 or 13. States, then, started to limit the age of marriage to 14 and, in some states, 16. All such practices and related law are tied to the socio-cultural practices of the time and place.

    In terms of the marriage practices in Arabia during the time of the Prophet ,  there are some important points. First, you could negotiate the marriage of a minor child and have a contract for marriage, like an engagement, in those times, without the actual marriage taking place until the age of adolescence. There is evidence that this practice was accepted in Islam. The enemies of the Prophet  never raised any issue about his marriage to Aisha which, also, shows that it was a social norm in that culture at that time. Islam actually added some restriction to this practice. It allowed the engagement contract in childhood, but this becomes null and void if the two parties reach the age of adolescence and do not agree with what their guardians arranged. Secondly, Islam explicitly placed the minimum marriageable age at adolescence, rather than an arbitrary, chronological age. Adolescence can vary from one culture to another.

    Islamic scholars are unanimous that the Prophet?s marriage to Aisha was a singular act of tremendous wisdom. Aisha, as the youngest wife of the Prophet, was in a position to observe many aspects of the Prophet?s life, and imbibe spiritual knowledge from a young age. She lived many years after his demise, and conveyed thousands of authentic traditions of the Prophet. Many Companions of the Prophet  looked up to her for guidance, and her scholarship has been a boon to Islam and the wider world.


    hahaha no

    I don't know whether to laugh at the inanity of this website (that offers a toll free # for any questions regarding their version of Islam), or to cry at how deluded they are and want to make others.

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  • Re: Aisha
     Reply #12 - April 28, 2009, 07:41 AM

    I'd go with option a).

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  • Re: Aisha
     Reply #13 - April 28, 2009, 12:26 PM

    I was shocked when I first heard what the sahabas did to eachother, as they were supposed to be "the best generation to arise from mankind" ever. This was something no one ever spoke about, and was discouraged from speaking about, "it's haram to slander the sahaba!" even if it's history? "Don't talk about it! Don't ask questions!" Roll Eyes

     Awais, what's a good book you would recommend on early Muslim history and the history of the succession to Muhammad?

    I'm sorry, I don't know of any great single book, I'm still looking for it Grin. If anybody else know, by all means, please share Smiley.

    Quote
    Ironically, here is one traditional Muslim more or less admitting those early atrocities and in fact upholding them as what Muslims today should be imitating!
    http://umarlee.com/2009/01/22/clarification-on-the-controversy-of-my-statements-regarding-sahabah-and-jihad/

    I think Umar Lee is suspect of being a munafiq giving dawa to kufr Wink.

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  • Re: Aisha
     Reply #14 - April 28, 2009, 01:03 PM

    Awais, what's a good book you would recommend on early Muslim history and the history of the succession to Muhammad?


    Ned, you can get a very brief outline of the Succession story here: https://sites.google.com/site/islamicscripturesunveiled/Home/succeding-a-warlord

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