Just wanted to add... you say that you don't like introducing yourself as agnostic because you don't like the idea of being indecisive. I think alot of Muslims and other religious believers think this way too; they despise agnostics even more than atheists branding them as being cowardly.
I've noticed that a lot of Muslim values are hypocritical. This is one example. They condemn indecisiveness, but they have forgotten another attribute which they themselves emphasize A LOT in other areas of discussion, but they have missed it out in this one, for some unexplained reason. That is the attribute of patience.
You have to be patient when it comes to knowledge too. Grabbing hold of a particular belief system just for the sake of having a belief is impatience in knowledge. Like Hassan says, (I think it is Hassan... discussislam off youtube... I'm new here so I'm not too sure yet lol) don't pretend to know something, even if it is atheism.
Let us take an example of a Maths professor setting 2 of his students a problem to solve by the end of the day. Now the Maths professor knows this problem cannot be solved in a month, never mind by the end of the day. One of his students, desparate to banish the vice of indecisiveness out of his behaviour, may well cling on to the first possible solution that comes into his head. Before even testing it, he is already convinced by it, and for the rest of the day, he simply seeks to prove that it is the case (an error in philosophical method, since you should test with no bias in mind). By the end of the day, the 2 students come in front of the professor and the one above says that he knows the solution and presents pages of writing demonstrating his case. The other student has his hands empty, and admits he couldn't work it out in the time provided. Agreed, this student has made himself look pretty dopey at this point, but not when the professor looks over the first students work and tells him that he was nowhere near finding the right answer! The professor then commends the second student's patience in knowledge
well first of all thankyou for your responce.it should have ended with "and then they lived happily ever after".lol
i think your arguement in a nutshell is that "better be indecisive than being wrong"
well but there is one problem in your story which is that we know that the given problem takes month to solve and that it is impossible to get to the right conclusion in one day.but this is not the exact case with the religion and atheism is it?now being agnostic about religion only means that you are acknowledging the credibility of dogmas and if so then you really are not an ex muslim are you.plus religion is not some thing which is given to us to solve like in your mathmetic problem scenario.for religion you have to imagine the following situation.
say there is a judge and he is hearing a case of person X who is accusing person Y of murder .they both present their case bring their arguments and after a long discussion and debate the hearing ends and it is the time for judge to tell them his decission.but judge is unable to decide in favour of either of the parties and says "well umm you know erm aaaa i am kind a agnostic about it and cant really say who is right"
and the other problem with agnosticism i have got is that by saying that you are agnostic you are actually puting your weight in the side of brainwashed theistic morons.because in application forms, when filling out the section of religion, there is no such box as "agnostic" to tick in.
Ok, firstly, yes it should have ended in they all lived happily ever after, thank you for correcting me. Secondly, good point, I could have just said it's better to be indecisive than wrong lol, oh well I'm sure you enjoyed the thought experiment
Launching straight into the example of the murder case... If the judge truly believes that the evidence against the man for murder is inconclusive, do you really think it would be good practice of him to still make a sentence? Your right, the judge can't say "Well I dunno if this guy is guilty or innocent so I'm not going to say he is guilty or he is innocent." But there is a little rule of thumb in law and that is, "innocent until proven guilty." That means, if you think the evidence brought against the defendant is inconclusive, then you hit the hammer down and shout, NOT GUILTY! That is exactly what the judge would do. Notice how you never hear of a judge who slams the hammer down and shouts, INNOCENT! The words have been carefully chosen. Not guilty means the evidence for that person being guilty is inconclusive. So the judge could be agnostic about the case and say not guilty, and he wouldn't be being inconsistent...
I'm not sure how the absense of agnostic on medical forms means I can't be agnostic, though, you will have to explain that one to me. But there is an option, "None"..
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